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dr_chill

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Hello,

Can I please have your opinion on those two diamonds:

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4107630.htm
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4006533.htm

Basically they are almost the same. Just a bit of difference in size.
According to https://www.diamdb.com the difference in face-up area is just 1% in favour of the bigger stone.
Still I would like to get some opinion if there is something I don't see.

It's a substantial difference of around 400USD, but I have no idea why my gut feeling tells me to go for the 0.607 carat.
Thank you!
 
They are both beautiful stones (ACAs). Usually, under the 1 carat mark I say to go for size but it really depends on how big that size is and how much
it's going to cost me. There is also something about reaching a tenth marker (like .50, .6 etc) that is satisfying.

Are you color sensitive or is the F for cultural reasonings? Is this for an engagement ring?

You could pick up a larger H.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4100696.htm
 
Hello,

I had a thread opened a while back on setting -> https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-me-choose-a-6-prong-setting.248564/

where I also discussed some of my requirements on the diamond.
It is for e-ring. I prefer to go higher in quality than getting low colour or clarity.

Budget for diamond is up to 3,000 USD.
My girlfriend is not keen or obsessed on getting a big diamond for sure.
And also I am one of those guys that I’d rather get best of the best for the budget I have than going for size.

I know pictures are magnified and diamonds you both suggested are eye-clean but I cannot imagine I will be comfortable getting a SI clarity seeing those inclusions. In my other thread I mentioned I am living in Eastern Europe and logistic wise it will be hard to return in case I don’t like it.

@tyty333 - exactly, there is something reaching a new tenth marker. Maybe that’s why my gut feeling tells me to go for it.
 
On another note checking the diamond certificate of the 0.607c the feather worries me:

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Should I be worried ?
 
Thank you, @diamondseeker2006 !
Not concern for clarity but rather than feather being close to the girdle.


Another one that is in my list is https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3855450.htm , diamond cert shows just a few pinpoints.

And the last one is 0.611 https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3964570.htm with crystal and cloud inclusions.

Those two I eliminated in my search as I liked the arrows aligned in the 0.607carat diamond much more, I even got it reserved by WF but now that feather next to the girdle worries me. Not clarity issues, but more concerned with durability.

What do you think ? Also any opinion on the other two diamonds ?
 
There should be no durability issues at VS1 either but ask WF for reassurance.

Sounds like the .611 is more mind clean to you. You've covered all your bases.
Branded super ideal with ideal standards - check,
AGS000 - check,
High clarity with no feathers - check,
High color - check
 
So feathers are considered more insecure and might cause more issues than clouds and crystals (the 0.611 has those)?
 
dr_chill said:
So feathers are considered more insecure and might cause more issues than clouds and crystals (the 0.611 has those)?
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I made a comment awhile back about avoiding diamonds with feathers close to the girdle, and the response of the experts was that they are not a concern at all ... and in fact, screening out diamonds based on that could cause a person to miss out on a great diamond.

I love WF but I have seen the odd ACA with one of those big green blotches near the girdle. I advised them about one and have since noticed another one ... I also found one where the webpage description stats did not match the certificate. So although I like to say just pick any ACA and you’ll be fine, I do recommend having a good look at the certificate.

Back to that feather ... If you need reassurance, just ask WF and then you can feel ok about the issue. They’ll be honest with you.
 
Hi, thanks for the comments!
Yes, I had a talk with them and they assured me that everything is going to be fine and I don't need to worry.
I still wonder whether I should go for the E colour , just 105$ above although visually WF told me there will be no difference and those diamonds are identical. And the other thing is that the E diamond has crystal inclusion while the F has the feather near the girdle, but I got confirmation from two WF representatives that none of these would be an issue, so I am choosing between colour. What do you think?
Here they are again:

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4006533.htm
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3994069.htm

And of course maybe save the 400$ going with this one:

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4107630.htm

P.S. So unfortunate that Whiteflash website is down right now when I am without my GF around me and can browse ... lucky me...
 
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Also sorry to jump in again but should I be concerned of table size:

0.585c = 56.1%
0.6c = 56.3%
0.607c = 54.9%

Of the three the one I liked has the smallest table.
 
dr_chill said:
Also sorry to jump in again but should I be concerned of table size:

0.585c = 56.1%
0.6c = 56.3%
0.607c = 54.9%

Of the three the one I liked has the smallest table.
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All ACAs will be outstanding, so at this point it's super nitpicky details. That said, there are some people who prefer smaller tables. All of these are within our recommended parameters (54-57 table), so I would pick whichever one you are drawn to. Lots of people on the boards are like you and drawn to the smaller table stones.
 
When looking at diamonds that are all great, which these are, I'd still choose the largest one. Most people would never be able to distinguish a table at 55 versus 57, much less bettween 54.9 and 56.3. I start thinking about it when tables go over 57 or 58, but these are too close to be any issue.
 
I, too, prefer smaller tables but there is a jump from E to F, and I think AGS is looser with their color grading. There is an indiscernible difference between D & E, but there is from E to F. But is this splitting hairs for you?
This is a really tough choice and I don’t envy you (for the choice you must make!) - but this is certainly a good “problem” to have!
I do see the aesthetic of the smaller table upon viewing it. With that said, when you aren’t comparing them will you know, or will you know because you “know”?! However, some could argue that it is on the border of being too small (personal preference) and it’s not as if the others have large tables!
WITH ALL THAT SAID... if you are okay not going with the E, I say GO FOR THE LOWER CARAT WEIGHT F that is less expensive. Why do I say this?... the measurements are virtually the same for this stone as they are for the E, so the visual size is equivalent. Also, while the lower priced F had a larger table measurement than the others, to me the visual on table size looks REALLY close to the smallest table option. There are factors involved with regard to other facet lengths on the crown that effect that small table look beyond just the actual table size.
 
May I also add that at this carat mark, the difference in color at these very high color grades will be less discernible than at carat weights getting closer to the 1 carat mark so the E to F might not be something to focus on unless it’s because you want to hit that E mark which I totally understand as I have an E and it was extremely important to me (specifically with regard to it being a GIA graded E). Similarly, a small table was also very important (mine is 55% but, as I said, there are other measurements that will affect the visual of the table size irregardless of the actual table percentage itself.
Also, I just noticed that the table sizes are Lao virtually similar for the E and the lower priced F... just as case with the stones’ dimensions. To me, another plus for the lower priced F unless you want to hit the E grade.
The higher priced F gets you the largest measurement but also the largest visual table appearance.
Update: I just went back to review the price differences and saw the lower priced F has sold so unless you are the purchaser that’s no longer an option.
Please let us know if you purchased that stone or if we should continue to help you make a decision between the other 2.
 
@headlight - great post as always!
Oh ... well, indeed it is sold, hahaha. Another lucky dude/gal solved my dilemma, thank you unknown stranger. :D

Anyway I decided to stop wondering and start finishing, so I made the payment for the F VS1 0.607c set in Elegant Solitaire two hours ago. Didn't even notice anyone took the 0.585c.

I would like to thank you all for the support and opinions.

Still I need just to sort the prong size on the Elegant setting while waiting for the payment to be received, @headlight - you can share your opinion in my setting thread -> https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-me-choose-a-6-prong-setting.248564/ ,I would love to hear it. Basically deciding between going as per design or requesting them “as delicate as possible prongs”.
 
dr_chill said:
@headlight - great post as always!
Oh ... well, indeed it is sold, hahaha. Another lucky dude/gal solved my dilemma, thank you unknown stranger. :D

Anyway I decided to stop wondering and start finishing, so I made the payment for the F VS1 0.607c set in Elegant Solitaire two hours ago. Didn't even notice anyone took the 0.585c.

I would like to thank you all for the support and opinions.

Still I need just to sort the prong size on the Elegant setting while waiting for the payment to be received, @headlight - you can share your opinion in my setting thread -> https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-me-choose-a-6-prong-setting.248564/ ,I would love to hear it. Basically deciding between going as per design or requesting them “as delicate as possible prongs”.
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Great decision! Love the table and you still got the largest of the mm size out of the 3. You won't see the difference between the F and that E in the .60 ct. It is a gorgeous stone. I will go to the other thread.
 
I have commented on the other thread a number of times... was there anything else you were concerned with? I do love the prongs on the elegant, the height, and the width... will be much more comfortable. Just know that she won't be able to get that true, perfect flush fit. Also, if she was counting on a Tiffany replica, the shank on the Elegant is not it. Does the Vatche offer a matching band that definitively fits flush with the mounting? That would then make it more comfortable IF they don't separate from each other. However, if you go for the Vatche, do not mess with the prongs. If she wanted Tiffany then she gets tab prongs just as the Tiffany has. I would hope that the mountings by Vatche are in proportion to the size of the stone and the tabs will be cut just enough to only cover the amount of diamond necessary to be secure. This is what they do, and they have done it time and time again. I know you like the Elegant prongs and I do, too, but if she has been "talking Tiffany" that means she has been looking at it for a long time and she knows it has tab prongs unless she told you she likes the Tiffany but she would want different prongs. The "knife edge" of the Vatche is definitely more "soft" than that of the Tiffany which is good, IMO, but clearly the Tiffany has endured all this time and people pay a fortune for it so I don't know if there are a lot of unhappy people with uncomfortable rings who are willing to put up with it just because it is Tiffany or what. Do you know the mm width of the Elegant? It looks similar to mine which is a 2.7mm. Mine also has more delicate prongs similar to the elegant. However, my 2.7mm is holding a 2.01 ct. diamond. I wonder if in the .60 ct the width of the Elegant will overwhelm the stone? Also, I wear mine alone, no band, as the 2.7mm width feels like a band on its own. But i'm not a "new bride"... I just got this ring 3 months ago and I will be married 30 years. I've had all the e-ring + wedding band stuff and I just like having one ring.
I am going to sort through all the Whiteflash options right now... stay tuned.
 
dr_chill...at .6 size I wonder that you would be better off with delicate prongs. I think the regular prongs would be fine too but I think delicate would be
better for stones under 1 carat.

I would ask WF if they have any pictures of what delicate prongs look like for this setting (as well as a regular prong image). It looks like the regular
prongs are really not all that large so I dont think it will be a big deal either way you go.
 
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