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DortA

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Hi All,

I am from Australia Sydney, I am looking for a 1 Caract, VVS1, E and No Fluorescent.

Price range is approx $15,000-$16,000 AUD. The local jewelers don't hold many cut grade VVS2 and above and the most commons are SI.

Another note to mention is that all 4 store i've visited do not have ASET and/or IS Scopes. They pretty much want a deposit as a commitment to purchase before they can obtain the above images as these are sourced from either New York or Russia.

All my research has been on PriceScope threads and HCA score.

I have found a few that I thought be worthy of looking at with GIA # below and price between $15-16k AUD.

GIA: 2201309362
http://info.stonehdfile.com/Online/Transaction/StonePktDtl.aspx?pktcode=919211915#DNA

GIA: 5181806997

GIA: 6322216405

GIA: 2205513322

Any assistance if greatly appreciated, additionally I was told that the loose diamonds is an open market and pretty much any vendor could purchase it at any given time.
 
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I see no fault.
 
i am no expert on diamonds, however, i would utilize this group for feedback.
it seems you can get a much larger stone than 1ct with an amazing cut for your budget. I wouldn't buy local, if you can buy online, i would research ID Jewelry, GOG, Whiteflash, and see what amazing stones they can offer, then bring them back here for the experts to help you pick one.

good luck!
 
Can you get an Idealscope or Aset image for any of them?

Edit...I would say no on the first one you listed. You can see leakage in the images. The pavilion
angle is too high. What did this score on the HCA?
 
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Check out Blue Nile, they seem to be a top choice for people outside the US.

And yes, any diamond on the open market can be snatched up by anyone at any time. I would not put a deposit down on a stone just to get an ASET and IS image.
 
tyty333 said:
Can you get an Idealscope or Aset image for any of them?

Edit...I would say no on the first one you listed. You can see leakage in the images. The pavilion
angle is too high. What did this score on the HCA?
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Their happy for me to propose the GIA # and they will try to get it. However, they said its too difficult as they dont have the stone. Likewise most jeweler don't hold VVS2 and above. Most don't even have or heard of ASET scope.

I quote them "we do business purely on trust and you can't go wrong with VVS1".
 
Wewechew said:
Check out Blue Nile, they seem to be a top choice for people outside the US.

And yes, any diamond on the open market can be snatched up by anyone at any time. I would not put a deposit down on a stone just to get an ASET and IS image.
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I've been looking at Blue Nile, however the "Astrol" blows out to $19k-$20k for same spec.
 
DortA said:
I've been looking at Blue Nile, however the "Astrol" blows out to $19k-$20k for same spec.
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The Astor? Yea, no reason to pay the premium for their "ideal" cut that 90% of the time isn't even ideal.
 
 
tyty333 said:
Can you get an Idealscope or Aset image for any of them?

Edit...I would say no on the first one you listed. You can see leakage in the images. The pavilion
angle is too high. What did this score on the HCA?
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I just did a check and HCA is scores 3.7.

Anyones thought on this one GIA - 2205513322? This scored HCA 1.5.

Also as to mention, the current jeweler store has a small deposit I left with them when purchasing our wedding band. She asked if their is a diamond I'd like, quote the GIA # and she'll confirm whether she can get it and request ASET and IS Scope for reassurance although cannot guarantee to get this picture as its through supplier over the US.
 

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freedom2016 said:
i am no expert on diamonds, however, i would utilize this group for feedback.
it seems you can get a much larger stone than 1ct with an amazing cut for your budget. I wouldn't buy local, if you can buy online, i would research ID Jewelry, GOG, Whiteflash, and see what amazing stones they can offer, then bring them back here for the experts to help you pick one.

good luck!
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Budget is in AUD. That’s about 10k USD which if they are set on an E VVS1, It is reasonable. If they can go lower in color and clarity, they can probably get bigger
 
DortA said:
I just did a check and HCA is scores 3.7.

Anyones thought on this one GIA - 2205513322? This scored HCA 1.5.

Also as to mention, the current jeweler store has a small deposit I left with them when purchasing our wedding band. She asked if their is a diamond I'd like, quote the GIA # and she'll confirm whether she can get it and request ASET and IS Scope for reassurance although cannot guarantee to get this picture as its through supplier over the US.
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I don't love the 36 degree crown angle so I'd want an IS/ASET to confirm performance.
 
Hi PS'ers, i'm going to probably need some help advice.

The diamonds that are listed on Blue Nile, are these stock Diamond with in Blue Nile or they for open market outside of Blue Nile?

I've been looking at diamonds through an Australia Jeweler (www.gsdiamonds.com.au) as a search engine for diamonds and a few other various.

It feels like an exhausting exercise, I cannot use the HCA Tool no more as i've reached my 3 use limit.

The Jeweler advise me to provide a GIA # and she can check if its available or sold and will try to request ASET Scope / IS Scope from the supplier (cannot guarantee). My research is purely on GIA Cert and video which at best of time not helpful.

Would love to source diamond through Whiteflash etc... that are reputable business although my current circumstances are kind half already committed with current jeweler as my partner has already arranged wedding band and chosen a setting.

I am open for a diamond spec as below,
VVS1 or VVS2
D-E
3x EX
1 Carat minimum (not really interested in bigger carat, reason for this is she has small hands:whistle:)
Realistic budget is $15k-17k AUD ($10k-11.5k USD)

Sorry all for any silly questions... I need some guidance and want to make sure I get it right.:cry2:

Also quick note, jeweler already advise me GIA 2205513322 is currently on hold for 48 hours by supplier.
 
DortA said:
Hi PS'ers, i'm going to probably need some help advice.

The diamonds that are listed on Blue Nile, are these stock Diamond with in Blue Nile or they for open market outside of Blue Nile?

I've been looking at diamonds through an Australia Jeweler (www.gsdiamonds.com.au) as a search engine for diamonds and a few other various.

It feels like an exhausting exercise, I cannot use the HCA Tool no more as i've reached my 3 use limit.

The Jeweler advise me to provide a GIA # and she can check if its available or sold and will try to request ASET Scope / IS Scope from the supplier (cannot guarantee). My research is purely on GIA Cert and video which at best of time not helpful.

Would love to source diamond through Whiteflash etc... that are reputable business although my current circumstances are kind half already committed with current jeweler as my partner has already arranged wedding band and chosen a setting.

I am open for a diamond spec as below,
VVS1 or VVS2
D-E
3x EX
1 Carat minimum (not really interested in bigger carat, reason for this is she has small hands:whistle:)
Realistic budget is $15k-17k AUD ($10k-11.5k USD)

Sorry all for any silly questions... I need some guidance and want to make sure I get it right.:cry2:

Also quick note, jeweler already advise me GIA 2205513322 is currently on hold for 48 hours by supplier.
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Anything on blue Nile is open and available to anyone, potentially with the exception of their "Astor cut". But they are a drop shipper so anyone can buy the stones listed there. Same with b2c, James allen (which is why they started hiding the certifications), with clarity, etc. Most companies are drop shippers except for the ones with "super ideal" or branded stones in house (Whiteflash, HPD, Brian Gavin, August vintage, etc). Diamonds by Lauren (who sells fancy colors and cuts) also has in house stuff.
 
Here's an easier way to do this:
Filter your search on their website to the following (I just did this and ended up with about 100 choices):
Table: 54-57
Depth: 60-62
Triple XXX
Color: D-F (I wouldn't limit myself to D/E unless she has specifically seen and dislikes F. They are very white)
Clarity: whatever you are comfortable with. IMHO there is zero reason to go above vs2 because you won't see inclusions at that clarity or above with the naked eye (except maybe in a rare few 2+ct stones that are vs2 but don't look it). Limiting to VVS isn't necessary unless it's a cultural thing.

You can get bigger than 1ct or you can get 1ct and save $$. Win win.
 
Thanks to all for your help. I forgot to mention I wanted to get no flourescent to avoid any potential milky/cloudy stone (Not sure how true this is).
 
Hi from a fellow Sydneysider.
Buying diamonds in Australia is a fairly depressing activity. Not much stock in hand and “calling in diamonds” almost unheard of.
My advice, buy overseas (US) and also the setting / having it set.
Even though the $A is awful and you’ll pay GST 10% (and an extra 5% import if not imported using the US/Aust trade agreement) you’ll still be better off.
You can buy diamonds according to their Stats and by use of the various tools available (Asset / HCA etc).
Shipping to Australia is safe and usually done by Fed ex who will handle the importation. They phone you once the parcel has landed and you pay the Import taxes over the phone by Visa. The parcel is then delivered another day or two later.
And Fluorescence isn’t normally a “negative”. Some people actually seek it out, it creates a somewhat magical glow in bright sunlight. So I wouldn’t dismiss a diamond on the basis of faint to moderate fluorescence.
And you don’t need VVS1 to be eye clean. Diamond inclusions are assessed at x10, the unaided eye can’t see at that level. Some inclusions are “white or clear” and thus are not seen by the eye.
 
DortA said:
Thanks to all for your help. I forgot to mention I wanted to get no flourescent to avoid any potential milky/cloudy stone (Not sure how true this is).
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Only a potential issue for strong/v. Strong fluor in D-f colors. Faint or medium shouldn't make difference
 
lovedogs said:
Example of one with high potential and in the color/clarity you want
https://www.gsdiamonds.com.au/diamonds/product/10WE-192184-646_910593

Another one
https://www.gsdiamonds.com.au/diamonds/product/H672-RG80360_838134

What I would get, because you maximize size and this will be eye clean and very white
https://www.gsdiamonds.com.au/diamonds/product/H672-1001252721_743783
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Thanks Lovedogs, the last one the seller advise they won't be able to get any information via the supplier. The other 2x they have requested and will confirm in 24-48 hours whether there is any ASET or IS Scope.

Blue Nile advise they don't provide any ASET or IS Scope. If wanted to buy in confidence, they advise to by their ASTOR range.
 
 
Hi all, i tried to purchase the last diamond and was later told it was sold! :knockout:

I was back to looking at diamond again and it is like pulling teeths when requesting for ASET/IS Scope and H&A.

I've been successful with getting images for this one, could I get PS'ers opinion? I do want to act swiftly as I don't want to miss out again. (it is more dearer than the rest at $19k AUD / $12.8k USD).

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