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Can you get an aset on the four mines stone? It has a decent cut and for the price difference, I* think its a better deal.
(*some PSers will not like the slightly lower crown...)

Try to get an aset or an idealscope though. Doesnt hurt to ask.
 
tyty333 said:
Can you get an aset on the four mines stone? It has a decent cut and for the price difference, I* think its a better deal.
(*some PSers will not like the slightly lower crown...)

Try to get an aset or an idealscope though. Doesnt hurt to ask.
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Thanks! I just emailed requesting the aset and idealscope images!

the four mine is
1.45 ct
VVS2
H
HCA score 1
and most importantly no Fluoro

the blue nile is
1.40
IF
H
HCA score 1.1
strong fluoro.

Anyone have experience with fourmine? first time hearing about this online vendor
 
can someone tell me how to read this idealscope image??
 
Steve88 said:
Diamond Video
Ideal Scope Image - TOP
Ideal Scope Image - BOTTOM

More images and videos of the four mine diamond
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These are hearts and arrows images. They show you symmetry among the facets. They are not idealscope or ASET images which show you the volume of light return. The hearts and arrows images suggest a reasonably symmetrical stone. There are some variations in the arrows/arrow-shaft alignments and minor clefts in the hearts. Still worth pursuing.
 
rockysalamander said:
These are hearts and arrows images. They show you symmetry among the facets. They are not idealscope or ASET images which show you the volume of light return. The hearts and arrows images suggest a reasonably symmetrical stone. There are some variations in the arrows/arrow-shaft alignments and minor clefts in the hearts. Still worth pursuing.
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Ditto, lol.

I had started responding to your other thread but got distracted and then saw this.

I still like the angles on the 1.40 better but I think you are spooked with the fluor. The 1.45 isn't bad either and the H&A images prove it has pretty good symmetry. Any chance you can push and ask for an idealscope or ASET image, or even better both?
 
sledge said:
Ditto, lol.

I had started responding to your other thread but got distracted and then saw this.

I still like the angles on the 1.40 better but I think you are spooked with the fluor. The 1.45 isn't bad either and the H&A images prove it has pretty good symmetry. Any chance you can push and ask for an idealscope or ASET image, or even better both?
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thanks for the reply @sledge ! What makes the angles on the 4.0 better? learn as much as I can. Also I tried to push for any other idealscope, asset image but BN is telling me that the vendor can't provide it.

The 1.45 is on hold by some other customer so I'll be pursuing the 1.40 in the mean time
 
I honestly don't like a CA 33.5 angle in modern rounds. I prefer the look (aesthetic) of a low crown. It makes the diamond look flattish. They can also tend to reduce fire. Others have no issues with 33.5. But of the two you posted, the 1.40 has a better CA/PA pairing. If you look at the AGS chart, you can see that if the cutting is slightly more variable, the 1.45 falls out of ideal.

If high clarity is required, I'd look at something like this.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-5296948
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...DiamondDetails&action=newTab&catalogView=true
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...DiamondDetails&action=newTab&catalogView=true

If you can live with lower clarity, this is lovely.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3965468.htm

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rockysalamander said:
I honestly don't like a CA 33.5 angle in modern rounds. I prefer the look (aesthetic) of a low crown. It makes the diamond look flattish. They can also tend to reduce fire. Others have no issues with 33.5. But of the two you posted, the 1.40 has a better CA/PA pairing. If you look at the AGS chart, you can see that if the cutting is slightly more variable, the 1.45 falls out of ideal.

If high clarity is required, I'd look at something like this.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-5296948
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...DiamondDetails&action=newTab&catalogView=true
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...DiamondDetails&action=newTab&catalogView=true

If you can live with lower clarity, this is lovely.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3965468.htm

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Thank you @rockysalamander, I didn't have time to get to the charts yet to show him what I meant by the 1.45 earlier.

By the way, that 1.35 @ JA is gorgeous! Love the fat arrows. I'd ask JA for an idealscope and ASET, although you will probably only get the IS image.

The WF stone is gorgeous too, and for not much money you get a true H&A ACA branded super ideal. The clarity is still very good and nothing that should ever be an issue with the naked eye.

If you have any interest in any of these stones, you should call JA, BN and WF and put them on reserve while you decide!

I will toss one more out there. Clarity is superb for a VS1. It's also a super ideal, complete with all images (call Lesley and ask her to email you the hearts image -- they never post them publicly on the Blue series). FYI, this has medium blue fluor. Should never be an issue, but I know you were worried with the strong fluor.

BGD Blue, 1.36ct H VS1 $11,360
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...1.360-h-vs1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104100653073

I sent you a page link and videos earlier about BGD and their Blue series. They do it right. ;)2

As much as I love the JA stone, if money allows, I'd personally rather have the WF or BGD stones as they are super ideal stones and are guaranteed performers with images & AGS certs to back it up. Also, the customer service at both locations are superb. WF has a slightly better upgrade policy (spend $1 more and get full credit) than BGD (spend $1 more and upgrade 2 of 3 qualities: color, carat or clarity). Again, both are much better than JA's policy of spend 2x the original purchase price.

You now have an array of really great options. Tick tock. Don't forget to place all these on reserve while you decide!
 
Okay so my gf’s friends are saying that a H color grade is too low now. I had made my mind up so it’s pretty frustrating to for me. Do you guys think it’s worth it to move down in Carat, Clarity for an E grade over a H? This is becoming a bigger headache than I thought. My absolute budget for this ring is 10.5k
 
Steve88 said:
Okay so my gf’s friends are saying that a H color grade is too low now. I had made my mind up so it’s pretty frustrating to for me. Do you guys think it’s worth it to move down in Carat, Clarity for an E grade over a H? This is becoming a bigger headache than I thought. My absolute budget for this ring is 10.5k
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You must be Chinese? :bigsmile: b/c your screen name ends with 88.
 
If she wants high color and clarity, you'll have to drop the size. * I * would drop clarity, but you have to decide if that works for you. Would G work? E is way up in price as is the IF.
 
I think her friends are driving you bonkers. I understand you are Asian and white and clarity is massive in your culture; however, the difference is so minor, especially with a super ideal that most cannot tell a difference .
 
Dancing Fire said:
You must be Chinese? :bigsmile: b/c your screen name ends with 88.
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Haha! Very good guess but coincidently 1988 is my birthday year but yes I am Asian. I’m Korean and my gf is chinese (and her friends).

They’re advice is to drop down to .9-1 carat range so I can get a higher color of D/E o_O

Ive done so much research that at this point I feel like I’m more knowledgeable than they are. At this point I might stick to my guns and get the 1.45 or 1.4 and they won’t ever have to know what color grade it is. I think the cuts on the 1.4 and 1.5 is good enough for the diamond to be beautiful. Would most of you agree or do my gf’s friends have a point?!
 
rockysalamander said:
If she wants high color and clarity, you'll have to drop the size. * I * would drop clarity, but you have to decide if that works for you. Would G work? E is way up in price as is the IF.
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They’re insisting on a D/E with good clarity even if that means dropping in major carat size.

sledge said:
I think her friends are driving you bonkers. I understand you are Asian and white and clarity is massive in your culture; however, the difference is so minor, especially with a super ideal that most cannot tell a difference .
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That’s exaxtly my thinking and I feel like they’ll change their minds if they actually do see a super ideal cut H diamond.
 
Steve88 said:
Haha! Very good guess but coincidently 1988 is my birthday year but yes I am Asian. I’m Korean and my gf is chinese (and her friends).

They’re advice is to drop down to .9-1 carat range so I can get a higher color of D/E o_O

Ive done so much research that at this point I feel like I’m more knowledgeable than they are. At this point I might stick to my guns and get the 1.45 or 1.4 and they won’t ever have to know what color grade it is. I think the cuts on the 1.4 and 1.5 is good enough for the diamond to be beautiful. Would most of you agree or do my gf’s friends have a point?!
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Honestly? When I was in China, casual friends would grab my hand and demand to know my diamond's specs. It was commonplace and normal. What is your girl's personality? Is she one that would say "I don't care" or one that would be embarrassed to not meet external standards? Is she one to need her family's approval or stand on her own? Will they judge you if the diamond is less than they see as valuable? Where do you stand on that?
 
Steve88 said:
They’re insisting on a D/E with good clarity even if that means dropping in major carat size.



That’s exaxtly my thinking and I feel like they’ll change their minds if they actually do see a super ideal cut H diamond.
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Oh trust me not worth dropping size. FWIW I’m Asian too and recently got a G SI2 super ideal so that I can hit 2 carat. Size is so visible. Color n clarity not so much. Previously I’ve always gone for F color diamonds.

Super ideals do face up whiter. Anyway good luck!
 
rockysalamander said:
Honestly? When I was in China, casual friends would grab my hand and demand to know my diamond's specs. It was commonplace and normal. What is your girl's personality? Is she one that would say "I don't care" or one that would be embarrassed to not meet external standards? Is she one to need her family's approval or stand on her own? Will they judge you if the diamond is less than they see as valuable? Where do you stand on that?
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Might be worth going for generic triple x diamonds on that point... that’s what @Madsal decided in the end to keep the face thing.
 
p.s. unless you switch to Whiteflash or Brian Gavin or HighPerformanceDiamonds, you are not getting a super ideal. The two BN and Adimor are not super-ideals. You are looking at XXXGIA. They are great, but not at the level of precision and light return as a super-ideal that some feel can raise the color perception from above.

Maybe something like this is compromise?
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3988011.htm {1.143 G VS1, WF ACA; $10056 wire}

Edited to add. This setting. https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...ni-1rz7265-solitaire-engagement-ring-4021.htm

If your budget would allow. This is a beautiful setting.
https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...-sleek-line-solitaire-engagement-ring-728.htm
 
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Steve88 said:
That’s exaxtly my thinking and I feel like they’ll change their minds if they actually do see a super ideal cut H diamond.
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Don't tell them is an H color. :bigsmile:
 
Steve88 said:
That’s exaxtly my thinking and I feel like they’ll change their minds if they actually do see a super ideal cut H diamond.
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Wait on this point... most people can tell H color in my circle... one can even see tint in E (omg) so I think G superideal or F triple x is the lowest you can go color wise.

Asians really really like white diamonds, myself included.
 
rockysalamander said:
Honestly? When I was in China, casual friends would grab my hand and demand to know my diamond's specs. It was commonplace and normal. What is your girl's personality? Is she one that would say "I don't care" or one that would be embarrassed to not meet external standards? Is she one to need her family's approval or stand on her own? Will they judge you if the diamond is less than they see as valuable? Where do you stand on that?
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No my gf is the furthest thing from being a superficial person. I can get her the darkest diamond and she’ll still love it. But I can’t say the same about her friends. Not only are they chinese but are FJ’s which are probably the most superficial type of Chinese person there is. I know for a fact that at least two of her friends have “D” colored diamonds so the comparisons are always going to be there unfortunately.

All the suggestions given above are beautiful rings but dropping from a 1.45 to a 1.10ish ring pains me. Especially since I’ll be paying around 11k for all this. Sorry to vent my frustration here but it’s currently my only outlet. :x2
 
This is @Sean_T's version of the Legato Sleek with 6 prongs. WF should be able to give you a quote for this version (Sean_T got it in October 2017)
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