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[Dancing Fire]

Superideal will only face up whiter than worse cut stones, but will not change tint from the side on scrutiny.

That is true, but I'm still ok with an H color. Both of these are HPD from Wink. The on the left is an H and the one on the right is a G.

 

[foxinsox]

Wait on this point... most people can tell H color in my circle... one can even see tint in E (omg) so I think G superideal or F triple x is the lowest you can go color wise.

Asians really really like white diamonds, myself included.

And of course - we always say no one will notice the tint in an H/I unless they’re directly comparing with a DEF.. which is very likely the situation your gf will find herself in.

 

[icy_jade]

I think even facing up whiter would get the friends off my back. I doubt they’ll compare it from the sides. Or maybe I’m underestimating them

Maybe

 

[icy_jade]

And of course - we always say no one will notice the tint in an H/I unless they’re directly comparing with a DEF.. which is very likely the situation your gf will find herself in.

I can very well imagine this... and then someone says “oh the diamond is so yellow”...

 

[sledge]

Come on @sledge....You are not that touchy! Where's that infamous good humor?

I was just being sarcastic. Plus I was a bit hangry. It was nearly 9pm here before I got any food. But some chipolte BBQ dry rub wings have me in a better mood.

Lol. Hey this thread isn’t about you or your ring.
But sure I could have worded it better.

To me, H have a yellowish tint that can be obvious especially if you are wearing it 24/7 and looking at it up close. H is even more obvious if people around you tend to wear D to F color and you get so used to colorless diamond and become cursed with color sensitivity.

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OP: Now, if you are not color sensitive and neither is your gf, you are lucky cos personally I honestly would like to go bigger if the color thing doesn’t bother me so much. But coming from an Asian culture, I’m guessing that her and/or the people around her are all used to colorless diamonds like me.

So I really really don’t advise H as the yellowish tint is easy to tell. I’m going for G myself (after looking at different colors irl) so I don’t consider myself very color sensitive but H is in my no-go zone.

You also mentioned that her friends have colorless diamonds. H will look really yellow next to those.

No matter how big you go/how good the cutting is/etc, the diamond will be dismissed as “oh but it’s so yellow” if the yellowish tint is easy to tell. I have heard this countless times.

So from personal experience, I strongly don’t advise going down to a H.

LOL, here we go again with all this "yellow" talk. Just kidding! But on a serious note it should be clarified we are seriously talking a VERY MINOR tint. I think the color scale on BN actually is a decent basic representation of the differences we are talking.



And while I would normally jump on the opportunity to brag about my girl's ring, I truly posted being a smartass. Sorry it just naturally happens.

My real point was I wanted @Steve88 to see an H super ideal was not "yellow" as being tossed around.

So my ultimate question is, do you think a H with a super ideal cut will look that yellow? I mean two of her friends do have a G and H too

Are you kidding me? They have G's and H's and are giving you grief because you aren't buying a D/E color?

Is moving to the US and letting her get new friends an option?

Also, is the G 1.4 from BN that different from a WF 1.3 super ideal cut?

Yes, IMO, a vast difference that is worth the money. Why?

• Best cut & symmetry ensuring the most fire/sparkle
  
• Because of cut, tends to look larger
• Because of cut, tends to appear whiter
• AGS cert with advanced modeling that provides a computer generated ASET and provides assurance of cut qualty
• Super ideal vendors provide ASET and idealscope images, which prove performance
• Super ideal vendors provide H&A images, which prove super symmetry

WF actually has a good article that goes into more detail.

https://www.whiteflash.com/about-diamonds/diamond-education/the-super-ideal-diamond-1376.htm

Yes. These are different. In what why are you wondering? Sorry, I just don't understand the question.

If her friends from a similar social set and with parents of similar background and expectations have G and H, then you can probably safely choose down to an H. Will it look "yellow"? No. But any visible tint will be yellow as that is the body color here (brown and grey are the other two body colors for "white" diamonds). A super-ideal will face-up whiter than most non super-ideals (see explanation above). So a super-ideal H will be "whiter" to the eye from the top than a GIAXXX or AGS0 H. Does that clarity?

My feeling is that the WF G is very safe. The WF H is probably safe. The BN H is a little less safe....all relative to color. On clarity, the BN is the cleanest and the other two follow. But, I find color and size to be more visible than clarity. So, that is why I noted above that *I* would drop clarity.

Agree with @rockysalamander. I'd go G or H and see how it works out. Worst case is it's too "yellow" and you return for a smaller D/E/F stone. Working with WF, BGD, HPD, etc. ensures you can do this with almost no hassle.

Gotcha when talking about the WF G and WF H you mean also super ideal cut included right?

The WF 1.27 G is a premium select meaning it just barely missed the criteria for the ACA designation. ACA = A Cut Above which is a super ideal. The premium select is more like an ideal, but not a super ideal.

FYI, to me it appears the 1.27 G missed the ACA mark for the following reasons:

• Minor light leakage around the 4/5 o'clock position. Visible on both IS & ASET images.
• Very minor symmetry issues on the hearts.

My guess is the minor leakage is what really caused it to get the premium select designation.

I think even facing up whiter would get the friends off my back. I doubt they’ll compare it from the sides. Or maybe I’m underestimating them

Possibly, but the way you've described her friends makes me think they are fairly superficial and will pick apart whatever you choose, but I honestly don't know them. This is just the impression I get from reading your comments.

Personally I'd take their advise with a grain of salt. You've gotten their feedback and you don't need that headache anymore. Now you need to make a determination based on what YOU AND YOUR GIRL like and want and move forward with that decision. Well, unless those friends want to kick in a few bucks and then they get a vote in what you buy!

 

[sledge]

Okay I think I found a few stones that will work. For the sake of argument I just eliminated H's from my search. I opened up clarity to SI1 and above with a focus on very clean stones. I think all these would pass "the Asian test of cruelty", lol.

All these are super ideals, come with a great trade program, buy-back guarantee, complete array of images to prove performance and from high quality vendors known for their excellence to customers.

FYI -- ignore carat weight and look at the dimensions! The 1.40 IF stone from BN that started this had dimensions of 7.17 x 7.22mm. There is only about 0.20mm difference between the 1.40ct and these options, which is just barely noticeable (see pic below).

**SERIOUSLY, GO PUT THESE ON HOLD NOW WHILE YOU DECIDE!!** FYI, all these certs are super clean so don't let the clarity turn you off.

VC 1.310ct G SI1 6.97 x 7.00 - $10,395 wire
https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/ags104096334008-1.310-g-si1-ideal-hearts-arrows-round

HPD 1.22ct F SI1 6.88 x 6.90 - $10,832 wire
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD10089

WF 1.285ct G VS2 6.95 x 6.97 - $11,057 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4011140.htm

VC 1.301ct F SI1 6.97 x 6.99 - $11,495 wire
https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/ags104096334006-1.301-f-si1-ideal-hearts-arrows-round

Okay, here are the size comparisons between the 1.40 BN stone and the 1.310 VC stone. I used the ACTUAL dimensions of each individual stone. As you can see, it's damn hard to see a size difference.

Given color, price, *almost* non-noticeable size difference and how stupid clean the SI1 cert is, I think you're crazy if you don't buy that VC 1.310 G!

 

[Babyblue033]

Just a random comment, but as a fellow Asian (Korean here), I sure am glad I run in a different circle than your girl and the only person who would dare ask to try on my ring and ask for specs is my mother That and I'm old enough (39) to not give a hoot what other people think and able to go for the biggest size I can afford with "yellow" diamond

Just as another perspective. Spec comparison will last a few days. Your girl will be wearing this ring for years to come. Go with what makes her and you happy. Personally, a good size impression is much more noticeable than specs.

Now back to the regular programming for these guys to find you a stunning stone

 

[sledge]

Just a random comment, but as a fellow Asian (Korean here), I sure am glad I run in a different circle than your girl and the only person who would dare ask to try on my ring and ask for specs is my mother That and I'm old enough (39) to not give a hoot what other people think and able to go for the biggest size I can afford with "yellow" diamond

Just as another perspective. Spec comparison will last a few days. Your girl will be wearing this ring for years to come. Go with what makes her and you happy. Personally, a good size impression is much more noticeable than specs.

Now back to the regular programming for these guys to find you a stunning stone

Very well said.

See @Steve88, she agrees you should buy the H and replace her friends too, lol. Just kidding.

On a serious note, have you locked up that VC stone yet. I'm tempted to buy for my girl and give her an upgrade.

 

[Steve88]

Very well said.

See @Steve88, she agrees you should buy the H and replace her friends too, lol. Just kidding.

On a serious note, have you locked up that VC stone yet. I'm tempted to buy for my girl and give her an upgrade.

Thanks Sledge! Will put that VC 3.10 on hold!

So after some thought, I’ll either not give crap about her friends and go with the 1.45 or give a crap about what her friends say and go with the VC 3.10.

@Babyblue033 you have a good point! As much as the friends are stressing me about the color, ultimately Asians do only ask about carat later on

 

[sledge]

Thanks Sledge! Will put that VC 3.10 on hold!

So after some thought, I’ll either not give crap about her friends and go with the 1.45 or give a crap about what her friends say and go with the VC 3.10.

@Babyblue033 you have a good point! As much as the friends are stressing me about the color, ultimately Asians do only ask about carat later on

Glad to see you saw this. I kind of regretted posting the links last night as I was afraid someone might poach it.

Nice thing about the 1.310 is you get the color and super ideal and aren't sacrificing size. Sure the weight is smaller but the actual dimensions aren't noticeably different. This is a great spot to be in visually. I think it's the perfect storm personally given your budget.

 

[Steve88]

Glad to see you saw this. I kind of regretted posting the links last night as I was afraid someone might poach it.

Nice thing about the 1.310 is you get the color and super ideal and aren't sacrificing size. Sure the weight is smaller but the actual dimensions aren't noticeably different. This is a great spot to be in visually. I think it's the perfect storm personally given your budget.

Okay so I’ve been calling VC to reserve that 3.10 diamond but they’re not picking up. Maybe not open on saturdays?

 

[sledge]

Glad to see you saw this. I kind of regretted posting the links last night as I was afraid someone might poach it.

Nice thing about the 1.310 is you get the color and super ideal and aren't sacrificing size. Sure the weight is smaller but the actual dimensions aren't noticeably different. This is a great spot to be in visually. I think it's the perfect storm personally given your budget.

Possibly. Might try emailing them. BGD is closed on weekends but Lesley had responded that way and put my diamond on hold on a weekend. VC may do the same, not sure.

 

[Steve88]

Possibly. Might try emailing them. BGD is closed on weekends but Lesley had responded that way and put my diamond on hold on a weekend. VC may do the same, not sure.

Will try that!