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First off, grading professionals struggle to tell the difference between D/E/F without having a master color template for comparison. I highly doubt any of them can visibly discern between that range. I'm willing to be most can't spot a G either. Maybe an H of they look at the side and have something to compare against. From the top that H be nice and white.

I'd be tempted to get an H and tell them it's an F and get them off your back.

Or go with an F/G and drop the clarity to eye clean. If they break out scopes to confirm clarity, kick them out.
 
Steve88 said:
Omg that diamond is amazing! What kind of cut was it? I honestly think the H diamonds I posted above if a J looks that white...
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ACA is the super ideal H&A stone we suggested from WF. You will have the same results with BGD or HPD as they are also super ideal H&A stones.

You won't get that caliber of stone from BN or other drop shippers.
 
Steve88 said:
Omg that diamond is amazing! What kind of cut was it? I honestly think the H diamonds I posted above if a J looks that white...
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Its an old post and I don't know. But, most Js look white from above. Even some Ks will. You will see body color from the side and at 45 degrees. These happen to also be the angle most seen by the viewer.

Color acuity varies, but the ability to see contrast between shades is easier than to see absolute color. My worry is that if all the GF's GFs have high color, hers might stand out as an H when the look at them together (and they will). During my time travelling in China, my ring was quite the stone to be compared against by all the others. Top view, side view, upside down view (that last view was for people to see how antique cuts differ from modern rounds).

That diamond in that photos also looks huge since it is closer to the camera. My point was to show you the setting. I strongly do not recommend going with a lower color unless your girl (not her friends) makes that decision. If you get the diamond I last recommended from WF and she wants a bigger one, she can trade it in with 100% of the cost toward an upgrade of $1 more. So, she can choose to gain size by lowering color. But, that will give her a chance to see how much color she is open to. This is a much better and surer options. Don't get too hung up on the size. Buying from a vendor with a good trade-up policy will release that pressure.

Why super-ideals help you cheat at body color from top? My theory is that super-ideals fire off a lot of fire, which is high energy intense flashes of light. That causes your pupils to contract. Contracted pupils are terrible at seeing color.

Why super-ideals don't help you cheat from the side? No fire. No pupil contraction. You see the color. :(2

So, I repeat.... maybe put this on hold while you ponder???
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3988011.htm {1.143 G VS1, WF ACA; $10056 wire}

Setting: https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...-sleek-line-solitaire-engagement-ring-728.htm
 
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I love the WF and Brian Gavin stones as they are beautiful. If the cut is really super ideal from them, would a H around 1.3 look just as good as a 1.45 from BN with an ideal cut?!
 
From https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/whiteflash-aca-selection-help.240677/

Maybe this will help. This compares to a WF F, H and I. I can clearly color in the H and I from the side, but not everyone can. The I is on the "high" side of I color, so its closer to a H than a J.

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Also is AGI grading better than GIA?
 
sledge said:
First off, grading professionals struggle to tell the difference between D/E/F without having a master color template for comparison. I highly doubt any of them can visibly discern between that range. I'm willing to be most can't spot a G either. Maybe an H of they look at the side and have something to compare against. From the top that H be nice and white.

I'd be tempted to get an H and tell them it's an F and get them off your back.

Or go with an F/G and drop the clarity to eye clean. If they break out scopes to confirm clarity, kick them out.
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H tint is visible. No need professional.

And yes looking from the side of course. Do note that it’s normal to take off the ring for your friends to see/examine in Asian cultures. I’m assuming is the same for OP’s gf.

I know it’s hard for you to understand the cultural differences but you need to take that into consideration when advising OP so that he gets the best outcome. And after all he and his gf will face the friends not you. So it’s easy for you to say but much harder for OP to deal with.

I’ll say again... F triple x or G super ideal... with the assumption that the super ideal cut will blow the friend’s socks off.

Also guys, you are buying the ring for HER. It shouldn’t be about what YOU want but what SHE wants. She’s the one who wears the ring all the time. What does OP’s gf want? I don’t know and can’t tell. Maybe what the friends are saying is just conveying the message?
 
rockysalamander said:
From https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/whiteflash-aca-selection-help.240677/

Maybe this will help. This compares to a WF F, H and I. I can clearly color in the H and I from the side, but not everyone can. The I is on the "high" side of I color, so its closer to a H than a J.

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I think there is funky lighting going on in that picture. To me, the F and I look more white than the H in both the top and side views.

Oddly enough from the top, the F & I look very close but I can see a slight difference. Agree they are close on the sides too, but not as close as the top and I still think the I is more white than the H.

Is this a trick? o_O :lol:
 
icy_jade said:
H tint is visible. No need professional.

And yes looking from the side of course. Do note that it’s normal to take off the ring for your friends to see/examine in Asian cultures. I’m assuming is the same for OP’s gf.

I know it’s hard for you to understand the cultural differences but you need to take that into consideration when advising OP so that he gets the best outcome. And after all he and his gf will face the friends not you. So it’s easy for you to say but much harder for OP to deal with.

I’ll say again... F triple x or G super ideal... with the assumption that the super ideal cut will blow the friend’s socks off.

Also guys, you are buying the ring for HER. It shouldn’t be about what YOU want but what SHE wants. She’s the one who wears the ring all the time. What does OP’s gf want? I don’t know and can’t tell. Maybe what the friends are saying is just conveying the message?
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I can see the tint difference, but I have pretty sensitive eyes. I'm just saying it's very minor and I'd probably want to whack my girl's friends if they started being that damn nosey and comparing diamonds like that. But yes, I understand it's a cultural thing.
 
AGS is superior for cut grading and WF has the added images to help you look at performance. Some find AGS less strict on color compared to GIA, but I've only noticed that when you are looking at lower colors and its a judgement call between two colors. But, I've seen it go both ways recently where AGS was strickter on my mother's GIA. It went from GIA F to AGS G.

How about this? Put these on hold. Ask WF to send you side-by sides like I posted above. Ask them their opinion about the stones due to color worries. See what they say.

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3988011.htm, G
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3950124.htm, G
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3965453.htm, H

AGI is the Antwerp Gemologische Instelling and I concur with @Dancing Fire
 
icy_jade said:
This is a great pic! I wished G was inside too. Yeah H was pretty obviously yellow IRL when I went to a store to see.
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Ugh, hate the way you worded this. First, H isn't "yellow". It has a slight tint, but not even close to yellow. And I really think something was up with the lighting because the I looks more white than the H in that pic and there isn't much difference between the F & I.
 
I am in the G/H camp. If i had a lot of $$$ then i'll go to an F color
 
sledge said:
My girl's "yellow" H VS2 from BGD....medium fluor

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Lol. Hey this thread isn’t about you or your ring.
But sure I could have worded it better.

To me, H have a yellowish tint that can be obvious especially if you are wearing it 24/7 and looking at it up close. H is even more obvious if people around you tend to wear D to F color and you get so used to colorless diamond and become cursed with color sensitivity.

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OP: Now, if you are not color sensitive and neither is your gf, you are lucky cos personally I honestly would like to go bigger if the color thing doesn’t bother me so much. But coming from an Asian culture, I’m guessing that her and/or the people around her are all used to colorless diamonds like me.

So I really really don’t advise H as the yellowish tint is easy to tell. I’m going for G myself (after looking at different colors irl) so I don’t consider myself very color sensitive but H is in my no-go zone.

You also mentioned that her friends have colorless diamonds. H will look really yellow next to those.

No matter how big you go/how good the cutting is/etc, the diamond will be dismissed as “oh but it’s so yellow” if the yellowish tint is easy to tell. I have heard this countless times.

So from personal experience, I strongly don’t advise going down to a H.
 
icy_jade said:
Lol. Hey this thread isn’t about you or your ring.
But sure I could have worded it better.

To me, H have a yellowish tint that can be obvious especially if you are wearing it 24/7 and looking at it up close. H is even more obvious if people around you tend to wear D to F color and you get so used to colorless diamond and become cursed with color sensitivity.

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OP: Now, if you are not color sensitive and neither is your gf, you are lucky cos personally I honestly would like to go bigger if the color thing doesn’t bother me so much. But coming from an Asian culture, I’m guessing that her and/or the people around her are all used to colorless diamonds like me.

So I really really don’t advise H as the yellowish tint is easy to tell. I’m going for G myself (after looking at different colors irl) so I don’t consider myself very color sensitive but H is in my no-go zone.

You also mentioned that her friends have colorless diamonds. H will look really yellow next to those.

No matter how big you go/how good the cutting is/etc, the diamond will be dismissed as “oh but it’s so yellow” if the yellowish tint is easy to tell. I have heard this countless times.

So from personal experience, I strongly don’t advise going down to a H.
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So my ultimate question is, do you think a H with a super ideal cut will look that yellow? I mean two of her friends do have a G and H too
 
Also, is the G 1.4 from BN that different from a WF 1.3 super ideal cut?
 
Steve88 said:
Also, is the G 1.4 from BN that different from a WF 1.3 super ideal cut?
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Yes. These are different. In what why are you wondering? Sorry, I just don't understand the question.

Steve88 said:
So my ultimate question is, do you think a H with a super ideal cut will look that yellow? I mean two of her friends do have a G and H too
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If her friends from a similar social set and with parents of similar background and expectations have G and H, then you can probably safely choose down to an H. Will it look "yellow"? No. But any visible tint will be yellow as that is the body color here (brown and grey are the other two body colors for "white" diamonds). A super-ideal will face-up whiter than most non super-ideals (see explanation above). So a super-ideal H will be "whiter" to the eye from the top than a GIAXXX or AGS0 H. Does that clarity?

My feeling is that the WF G is very safe. The WF H is probably safe. The BN H is a little less safe....all relative to color. On clarity, the BN is the cleanest and the other two follow. But, I find color and size to be more visible than clarity. So, that is why I noted above that *I* would drop clarity.
 
rockysalamander said:
Yes. These are different. In what why are you wondering? Sorry, I just don't understand the question.



If her friends from a similar social set and with parents of similar background and expectations have G and H, then you can probably safely choose down to an H. Will it look "yellow"? No. But any visible tint will be yellow as that is the body color here (brown and grey are the other two body colors for "white" diamonds). A super-ideal will face-up whiter than most non super-ideals (see explanation above). So a super-ideal H will be "whiter" to the eye from the top than a GIAXXX or AGS0 H. Does that clarity?

My feeling is that the WF G is very safe. The WF H is probably safe. The BN H is a little less safe....all relative to color. On clarity, the BN is the cleanest and the other two follow. But, I find color and size to be more visible than clarity. So, that is why I noted above that *I* would drop clarity.
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Gotcha when talking about the WF G and WF H you mean also super ideal cut included right?
 
WF = Whiteflash
I specifically mean the WF A Cut Above which are super ideal. One of the stone I posted just missed the ACA designation (likely due to the crown angle), but its a higher crown which I like. Whiteflash also sells diamonds from the same big database as BN (you can see those by un-selecting the "in house"), but that would defeat the whole purpose for you to look at super-ideals to get a bit more size with the color constraints.

But, if you found a great super-ideal from HighPerformanceDiamonds, BrianGavin, VictorCanera, etc. I'd say the same.
 
Superideal will only face up whiter than worse cut stones, but will not change tint from the side on scrutiny.
 
rockysalamander said:
Yup. I mentioned that waaaay back in Post #33. :mrgreen2: Glad to get another voice saying the same.
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I think even facing up whiter would get the friends off my back. I doubt they’ll compare it from the sides. Or maybe I’m underestimating them
 
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