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polo01

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Okay I thought I had my diamonds narrowed down but every time I think I find one I find a flaw.

Maybe I am picky but its gotta look good.

I am trying to find a .70+ caret princess cut diamond, VVS2 at least, D or E in color.

Now the hard part I don''t want a diamond with any Fluorescence.

Also for some reason I want excellent polish and very good symmetry. Does it really matter with an Ideal cut?

Then I read somewhere about if the girdle is too thin the diamond will chip.

So I guess my ideal diamond is .70+ caret, princess cut, VVS2, D color, excellent polish, excellent symmetry and ideal cut with a medium girdle. Is to picky?
 
slightly out of my price range of $3000
 
Date: 1/24/2008 4:03:30 PM
Author: polo01
slightly out of my price range of $3000
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then, yes, you are being much too picky. More like .7 F VS?
 
right now I am leaning towards these two

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1135513

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1110558
I was told the line in this one is dust
 
Date: 1/24/2008 4:10:24 PM
Author: polo01
right now I am leaning towards these two

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1135513

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1110558
I was told the line in this one is dust
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Need pics for the first one.

Second one doesn''t seem to be of the caliber of an AGS 0, but still quite nice. Ideal Scope picture would be helpful.
 
I just went through the process of buying a PR shape myself and I too was being picky (perhaps overly so) about the attributes, especially without being able to see the stone in person before buying.

Assuming we''re talking about an AGS or GIA certified stone, if it was me, I would look to drop down in color to the F/G range and probably VS1-VS2 clarity and then try to maximize cut and size at that color and clarity. I was very picky about clarity as well, but I just couldn''t see the value in going VVS or going above F color.

Finding a stone without Fluor should not be a problem at all.

In general, and esp on ideal cuts, I think the common opinion is that the difference between VG vs EX Pol or Sym will not detract from the visual beauty of the stone one bit so I dont'' think I would get wrapped up over that if you find a stone that has everything else you like.

I too had concerns with girdle thickness on the PR stone. However, as a rule of thumb, the advise seems to be to avoid anything EX TN/TK. Personally, I didn''t want anything Very TN/TK either, but was fine with anything from TN to TK with TN-STK being ideal.

Bottom line is I think you could scale back a bit on the color and clarity and perhaps get a larger, ideal cut stone in the process for same $$$, but you have to get what is going to make you content with your purchase.

I just received the stone I ordered from Good Old Gold and I have to say that the stone is every bit as spectacular as Jon had promised. I wouldn''t hesistate to give him a call and let him know exactly what you''re looking for. As many others on the board who have bought from GOG will attest to, Jon''s capabilities to provide top performing stones are among the best and he will be completely honest with you throughout the process.

Good luck.
 
I will look into that talen316.

I am concerned about the second one with a thin girdle.
 
Polo -

I was very paranoid about girdle thickness as well. With that said, the stone I have has a girdle of TN-TK. It was sent to the Goldsmith today who is making the setting and she reassured me that she had no concerns with the girdle whatsoever. Of course Jon @ GOG had assured me of this as well, but it was nice to get confirmation from another expert in the business.

I haven''t dealt with JA, but from all accounts in this forum, they''re highly regarded. I''m assuming they have the diamond in house or if not, will bring it in house for inspection prior to shipping to y ou. If they confirm that the girdle isn''t a problem for you (just as GOG did for me), then I don''t think I would let that stop me if I otherwise liked that stone, especially with the GIA grading. Also, I believe AGS gives a 0 value to TN, Med and STK girdles so that tells you that TN is considered desireable at least from a grading perspective.

Admittedly, I was reluctant to go with a TN girdle myself, but then again I would have passed on one hell of a stone over an attribute that I ended up fretting more about than I probably should have.
 
does anyone else have recommendations of different online diamond retailers?
 
Date: 1/27/2008 11:33:19 AM
Author: polo01
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1135513.asp

Okay so the pictures are up for this diamond. What do you guys think of this one?
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It''s not wowing me.
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Ideally, you want the table a bit smaller than the depth. It''s not a hard and fast rule, but most times the better stones work out that way. I''d want an IS on it for sure.

Also, as others have said, this color and clarity are way up there. I know it''s somewhat personal, but really, you can go down to G and still not see any color. And I just can''t see the need for that clarity. VS2 is more than enough.

I''d get this one in a heartbeat.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/2850/
 
Date: 1/27/2008 11:59:02 AM
Author: Ellen
Date: 1/27/2008 11:33:19 AM

Author: polo01


Also, as others have said, this color and clarity are way up there. I know it''s somewhat personal, but really, you can go down to G and still not see any color. And I just can''t see the need for that clarity. VS2 is more than enough.


I''d get this one in a heartbeat.


http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/2850/
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I totally agree on all counts!...
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so from all post I guess I am looking for something that she won''t even notice.

What do you guys think of .70+ Carets, color F, VS1? around $3000?
 
Date: 1/27/2008 12:06:32 PM
Author: bem3231
Date: 1/27/2008 11:59:02 AM

Author: Ellen

Date: 1/27/2008 11:33:19 AM


Author: polo01



Also, as others have said, this color and clarity are way up there. I know it''s somewhat personal, but really, you can go down to G and still not see any color. And I just can''t see the need for that clarity. VS2 is more than enough.



I''d get this one in a heartbeat.



http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/2850/
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I totally agree on all counts!...
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Woops! Something weird happened to those quotes! I was agreeing with Ellen''s last comments and her suggestion of the GOG stone...
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Date: 1/27/2008 11:59:02 AM
Author: Ellen
Date: 1/27/2008 11:33:19 AM

Author: polo01

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1135513.asp


Okay so the pictures are up for this diamond. What do you guys think of this one?
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It''s not wowing me.
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Ideally, you want the table a bit smaller than the depth. It''s not a hard and fast rule, but most times the better stones work out that way. I''d want an IS on it for sure.


Also, as others have said, this color and clarity are way up there. I know it''s somewhat personal, but really, you can go down to G and still not see any color. And I just can''t see the need for that clarity. VS2 is more than enough.


I''d get this one in a heartbeat.


http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/2850/
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What would should I be looking for with table and depth?
 
Date: 1/27/2008 12:08:52 PM
Author: polo01
so from all post I guess I am looking for something that she won''t even notice.

What do you guys think of .70+ Carets, color F, VS1? around $3000?
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Yep.
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You already know what I think.
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Date: 1/27/2008 12:08:52 PM
Author: polo01
so from all post I guess I am looking for something that she won''t even notice.


What do you guys think of .70+ Carets, color F, VS1? around $3000?
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Personally I still think that VS1 is something that neither of you will be able to appreciate. I would totally go for a VS2 if you are really stuck on clarity - even a clean SI1 from a trusted vendor would be very acceptable to many here and would allow you to max out your budget.
 
Date: 1/27/2008 12:08:52 PM
Author: polo01
so from all post I guess I am looking for something that she won''t even notice.


What do you guys think of .70+ Carets, color F, VS1? around $3000?
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Oh, and likewise for the F. Have you compared different color grades in person? Most people would not be able to distinguish between an F and a G.
 
Date: 1/27/2008 12:10:08 PM
Author: polo01


What would should I be looking for with table and depth?
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I can''t give you specific numbers, because every stone is different, but look at the table and depth on the GOG stone, to give you an idea.
 
so doing some more searching. Some website I found stated this is an excellent princess cut
Depth % - 60.0% - 75.0%
Table % - 53.0% - 57.9 %
Ratio - 1.00 - 1.05 : 1.00
Girdle - Medium

What do people think of that?
 
I''m no Princess expert, hopefully one will chime in. But looking at Princess, AGS0''s in particular, their tables seem to range from upper 60''s to low 70''s, and depth from high 60''s to mid 70''s. Of course, these numbers are not written in stone, each one is different.

If you''re looking locally, stick to AG0 graded stones, it will help take the guesswork out. If you''re looking online, go with a reputable vendor, and learn out to read an IS and ASET, in particular. That will really help.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/why-we-prefer-aset-to-ideal-scope-with-fancy-shapes.73949/
 
What do people think about this diamond
.75 caret, F, VS2, depth 70.4, table 68, polish excellent, symmetry very good, medium girdle,

here is a picture that i got
 
Doesn''t sound bad polo, can you try to attach the pic again, it didn''t work.
 
okay i am having issues posting now... it wont take the url or the file
 
This should work

1135494.jpg
 
Well, the photo doesn't look bad to me, of course I'm no expert. Is there any way to get an Idealscope picture, or ASET from where this is?
 
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