What in the Hell is wrong with Kanye West?!?!

[swimmer]

Date: 9/14/2009 5:31:03 PM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 9/14/2009 5:24:22 PM

Author: lucyandroger

Date: 9/14/2009 4:27:11 PM


Author: dragonfly411


princess - Although I agree that celebration of breaking barriers can be important, I again don't see us ever TRULY letting go of the issue if we continue to highlight it.


But again, he also wasn't the first black person on country music television, so he again had no reason to boast, and again was a dbag

Sorry, I just think the guy is a jerk.

There are many people for whom the color of their skin, shape of their bodies or eyes, texture of their hair, etc. does play a role in their everyday life, career advancement, etc. Speaking openly about this is not racism. Pretending like it does not happen allows it to continue unabated.


Race apparently does not pay much of a role in your life. You might want to take a moment to consider that for people not in the majority race, it may play more of a role.

Well said, lucyandroger-exactly my thoughts.

Ditto. Only a non-minority person would think to say that our differences don't matter. I am different and I treasure that. I don't want you to ignore our differences, they don't make us better or worse than one another, just richer in experience. Please ask your friends who are minorities if they want their differences to be ignored or just seen as part of the diverse tapestry that makes up your community of friends. Color blindness is not necessarily cool. It means you are ignoring a vital component of a person's life/identity/persona. Of course a person can choose to not let it be important to them, but generally, society keeps on reminding a person.

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 9/14/2009 5:34:13 PM
Author: sunnyd

Date: 9/14/2009 4:38:09 PM

Author: beebrisk

Date: 9/14/2009 4:22:21 PM

Author: princesss

Date: 9/14/2009 4:14:45 PM


Author: dragonfly411


To me, until we can COMPLETELY let go of a person''s race in relation to actions, or anything then it is still there. It shouldn''t matter if he''s black and on Country Music Television, just like it shouldn''t matter that Eminem is white on rap stations (which I don''t know if Eminem has ever made a point of it or not). That''s where it relates in MY mind.

But that doesn''t really have anything to do with the actual definition of racism. It sounds to me like by pointing it out he''s celebrating breaking down the barriers of what is generally seen as a genre that not many African Americans pay attention to or have big roles in - which would, eventually, lead to what you''re talking about where race isn''t an issue. Breaking down those barriers is something we should talk about and celebrate.



If he''d said something about how Taylor Swift only got it because she was white, you might have a point. But I think you''re reaching at this point to call it racist.



ETA: We were posting at the same time.

I agree. In and of itself, his outburst wasn''t racist.


That said, I wonder what HE would say if someone like Bono pulled the microphone from a young, African-American artist and stole their moment??



At the risk of many of you agreeing with him (and missing my point) it was Kanye who stood up at the Katrina benefit and stated ''George Bush hates black people''. If a white rock star said the same about Mr. West, I guarantee the person who said it would be labeled a racist til the end of their days...

I imagine something to the effect of ''Bono hates black people.''

You got it! He''d likely be screaming "racist" faster than he was chugging down that bottle of whiskey.
Seems to me HE is the one who sees the world through color...

 

[iheartscience]

BTW, so good to see you, beebrisk! I should have known a good fight would bring you out of lurkdom!

 

[HollyS]

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race



thing2: That IS the way he thinks. His actions and words, and not just in this instance, say as much. I''m sure you could find many examples of his behavior online. He''s known for being outspoken in this regard.

 

[nclrgirl]

Date: 9/14/2009 6:17:29 PM
Author: swimmer

Date: 9/14/2009 5:31:03 PM

Author: thing2of2

Date: 9/14/2009 5:24:22 PM


Author: lucyandroger

Date: 9/14/2009 4:27:11 PM



Author: dragonfly411



princess - Although I agree that celebration of breaking barriers can be important, I again don''t see us ever TRULY letting go of the issue if we continue to highlight it.



But again, he also wasn''t the first black person on country music television, so he again had no reason to boast, and again was a dbag

Sorry, I just think the guy is a jerk.

There are many people for whom the color of their skin, shape of their bodies or eyes, texture of their hair, etc. does play a role in their everyday life, career advancement, etc. Speaking openly about this is not racism. Pretending like it does not happen allows it to continue unabated.



Race apparently does not pay much of a role in your life. You might want to take a moment to consider that for people not in the majority race, it may play more of a role.

Well said, lucyandroger-exactly my thoughts.

Ditto. Only a non-minority person would think to say that our differences don''t matter. I am different and I treasure that. I don''t want you to ignore our differences, they don''t make us better or worse than one another, just richer in experience. Please ask your friends who are minorities if they want their differences to be ignored or just seen as part of the diverse tapestry that makes up your community of friends. Color blindness is not necessarily cool. It means you are ignoring a vital component of a person''s life/identity/persona. Of course a person can choose to not let it be important to them, but generally, society keeps on reminding a person.

I''m sorry, but I feel as though some use their differences as an excuse for their lack of success. Shame on you girls for taking advantage of it again to put down dragonfly.

 

[atroop711]

he has a chronic case of DIARRHEA MOUTH

 

[swimmer]

Date: 9/14/2009 6:26:29 PM
Author: nclrgirl


I''m sorry, but I feel as though some use their differences as an excuse for their lack of success. Shame on you girls for taking advantage of it again to put down dragonfly.

Ummmm, Kanye is a pretty successful guy, no? Or are you saying something about my success or lack thereof? Shame on you nclrgirl.

 

[nclrgirl]

Date: 9/14/2009 6:32:04 PM
Author: swimmer

Date: 9/14/2009 6:26:29 PM

Author: nclrgirl



I''m sorry, but I feel as though some use their differences as an excuse for their lack of success. Shame on you girls for taking advantage of it again to put down dragonfly.

Ummmm, Kanye is a pretty successful guy, no? Or are you saying something about my success or lack thereof? Shame on you nclrgirl.

Swimmer, no, I was referring to you.

 

[HollyS]

Pie anyone??

 

[nclrgirl]

Date: 9/14/2009 6:34:50 PM
Author: HollyS
Pie anyone??

Thank you. Sorry about my outburst (not my opinions). Hit a nerve...

 

[swimmer]

Thanks Holly! Wow, I''ve never been so personally attacked on here before. Even back in ATW days we kept our insults focused more on political figures...

I hope your day gets better nclr girl. I think you totally misread my post, but that is of course totally your right.

 

[nclrgirl]

Date: 9/14/2009 6:40:20 PM
Author: swimmer
Thanks Holly! Wow, I''ve never been so personally attacked on here before. Even back in ATW days we kept our insults focused more on political figures...



I hope your day gets better nclr girl. I think you totally misread my post, but that is of course totally your right.

See above post

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 9/14/2009 6:32:47 PM
Author: nclrgirl

Date: 9/14/2009 6:32:04 PM

Author: swimmer

Date: 9/14/2009 6:26:29 PM


Author: nclrgirl

I''m sorry, but I feel as though some use their differences as an excuse for their lack of success. Shame on you girls for taking advantage of it again to put down dragonfly.

Ummmm, Kanye is a pretty successful guy, no? Or are you saying something about my success or lack thereof? Shame on you nclrgirl.

Swimmer, no, I was referring to you.

Wow, are you seriously saying that swimmer is blaming her race (when you don''t even know it) for her apparent lack success (which you also don''t know about)?! Hilarious.

P.S. I''m white AND successful so I guess I have nothing to be ashamed of!

 

[AGBF]

I read page one of this thread earlier today...and came back to find a 4 page thread and Swimmer (Swimmer?) involved in controversy. I will have to start reading. Swimmer has one cool head. I cannot even imagine what could have embroiled her, of all people, in controversy!

AGBF

 

[HollyS]

swimmer: Maybe we should have one of these first? Then pie? I was going to suggest a cappuccino, but that might not calm the frayed edges of our day.

 

[luckystar112]

Yikes. Nclrgirl just fell victim to an unfortunate sequence of posts.

Here''s how I read it:

Success is subjective. Kanye''s version of a "lack of success" could be not even coming CLOSE to selling as many records as Taylor Swift.

I don''t know that I would call Kanye a racist but he sure has played the race card in the past--which is what I think nclgirl was referring to. In this instance, however, I don''t think that he though beyonce is the better artist because she''s black.

Then, when Swimmer asked if nclrgirl was referring to her, she responded and tried to say NO. But she forgot the word "not". And hence the snowball began.

Blueberry please.

 

[swimmer]

nclrgirl, Kanye''s apology was more meaningful than that. Whatever.

Holly, thank you! I''m knocked up though, so no wine till the spring. Just in time for election season

AGBF, I like to get people thinking. Some are into it, some are not, such is life. You should see my fb page, there is a roiling discussion on health care reform, more than 30 people posting from all political stripes. I love having friends who can have complex conversations without resorting to name calling. I see enough of that in my college students. They seem to think the best debate is the loudest. Holly knows I blame Fox news, but it really is becoming pervasive.

Thing2,

 

[luckystar112]

Swimmer, I''ll bet a million dollars that she tried to say, "Swimmer, No, I was not referring to you". And just had a typo. Why else would she be like "See above" after your response.....to insult you twice? lol. She doesn''t even know you. And plus, we all know you''re wicked smahhht.

I know....you''re not even from NE are you? Just moved there? Oh well.

 

[Emeraldfan]

What Kanye did was totally disgusting and I do feel really bad for Taylor.

ON racism - I wasn''t going to bring this up but since everyone is talking about race Kanye basically ranted back stage saying Beyonce didn''t win cause MTV is racist

WARNING - Fairly graphic language but see the Youtube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-631TgPP2s

 

[Kaleigh]

Are we all good now?? I think it''s a big misunderstanding. Typing too quickly, etc... ?

Hey if anyone is serving pie, I''s love a slice!!!

 

[HollyS]

Holly, thank you! I''m knocked up though, so no wine till the spring. Just in time for election season


Oops! So I guess a cappuccino would have been out of the question, too?

I''m kinda hoping you may need a drink come election time. . .

Meanwhile, I''ll drink a toast to you and ''the peanut'' this evening.

 

[MonkeyPie]

Date: 9/14/2009 7:46:42 PM
Author: Emeraldfan
What Kanye did was totally disgusting and I do feel really bad for Taylor.

ON racism - I wasn''t going to bring this up but since everyone is talking about race Kanye basically ranted back stage saying Beyonce didn''t win cause MTV is racist

WARNING - Fairly graphic language but see the Youtube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-631TgPP2s

Wow. Nice.
There''s also a video in the the feed on the right of that link that shows his "Bush hates black people" rant. Lovely.

 

[Mrs.Guz]

OMG! I do not know what to say. I actually felt a bit sick watching and listening to this video!

 

[dragonfly411]

woah woah woah, lets back up a bit here. First of all, in my defense, I don''t ignore color. I embrace color and enjoy diversity. But I do so in a positive manner, by not judging according to color and not treating anyone differently based on color. I thought that was what minorities wanted

Although they are no longer minorities. The field has evened out by far. Yes race has been a part of my life, it''s not just not there, but I''ve been taught not to judge or treat a person based on their color. I have Black, Phillipino, Mexican, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Australian, English, German, Iranian friends..... So. Yeah.

This thread was supposed to be about Kanye West... and him being a jerk. So lets refrain from ANY personal attacks on ANY members? I don''t think NCL meant to say she was saying anything about Swimmer either. So lets go back to what can be done about jerkface

 

[dragonfly411]

Date: 9/14/2009 7:46:42 PM
Author: Emeraldfan
What Kanye did was totally disgusting and I do feel really bad for Taylor.

ON racism - I wasn''t going to bring this up but since everyone is talking about race Kanye basically ranted back stage saying Beyonce didn''t win cause MTV is racist

WARNING - Fairly graphic language but see the Youtube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-631TgPP2s

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[Italiahaircolor]

If I may say...I just caught a re-run of the Taylor/Kayne thing on MTV...

My heartbroke for her...moments after she talks about appreciating her award because MTV isn''t her usual audience...Kayne pulls his little stunt. And as the camera pans back to her face, you can see how absolutely crestfallen she is...there is no pretending that, that was hurt--plain and simple. She was just so hurt. I was furious before because of what he did...but the look on her face pushed me over the edge...Kanye is a d*** h***.

And, to chime in the racism issue. It is my belief that Kayne sees any opportunity in which he is "wronged" (according to him) as a gateway to blame it on racism. He doesn''t win an award? Race issues. He has a platform to make a difference? Make it about race. He wishes he could blame his personal failures on race...but he''s a fool. It''s him ... and who he is.

 

[lucyandroger]

Date: 9/14/2009 6:32:04 PM
Author: swimmer

Date: 9/14/2009 6:26:29 PM
Author: nclrgirl


I''m sorry, but I feel as though some use their differences as an excuse for their lack of success. Shame on you girls for taking advantage of it again to put down dragonfly.

Ummmm, Kanye is a pretty successful guy, no? Or are you saying something about my success or lack thereof? Shame on you nclrgirl.

wow, nclrgirl. First of all, you have no idea what race I am. Second of all, I did not put down dragonfly. I suggested she consider someone else''s experience other than her own.

As far as blaming race for lack of success, I''m not even going to go there.

 

[Lynnie]

Apparantly, Kanye''s released a second apology: http://www.accesshollywood.com/kanye-west-apologizes-to-taylor-swift-again_article_22929

He''s still a d-bag, to me. I''m not touching the race issue with a 10-foot pole.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Date: 9/14/2009 8:49:31 PM
Author: Lynnie
Apparantly, Kanye''s released a second apology: http://www.accesshollywood.com/kanye-west-apologizes-to-taylor-swift-again_article_22929

He''s still a d-bag, to me. I''m not touching the race issue with a 10-foot pole.

Kanye may as well have just saved the paper and spared us all his b******. That apology meant nothing, and was really all about him (big shocker, right?). Kayne didn''t "say the wrong thing"...he climbed on stage and gave his opinion unprompted...there is nothing to excuse that way...it was rude and he should be damn sorry.

He''s trying to confuse the issue with words...but there is no confusion when it comes to Kayne...he''s a scumbag, disgusting and awful. I hope he never sells another record, and I hope he just fades, fades, fades way...

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 9/14/2009 6:25:21 PM
Author: thing2of2
BTW, so good to see you, beebrisk! I should have known a good fight would bring you out of lurkdom!

LoL! You made me laugh, Thing! Will wonders never cease??