What in the Hell is wrong with Kanye West?!?!

[Sha]

Date: 9/14/2009 1:43:02 PM
Author: dragonfly411
Sha - I think she''s a good artist in that she sings well, and performs well, and she''s the type of person I like to see in our industry... I tend to like more ..... poetic? music... if that makes sense. I.E. I like Dave Matthews, Foo Fighters, a lot of country music (long trip alone for instance, one of my favorites), and even some of Kelly Clarkson and what not. I like things that tell a story, and do so in a unique way, and sometimes feel that some of the new mainstream tends to be repetitive (which is not the artist''s fault considering most of them aren''t writing it). Didn''t mean for it to be negative towards her, as I like HER as a person and I think she is talented and a good singer.


I do still feel though that she looked stunned yes, but the smiling bothered me for some reason. Meanwhile the rest of us had appalled and pissed looks if you know what I mean?

Gotcha. I don''t like a lot of mainstream music myself, for the same reason.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 9/14/2009 3:52:42 PM
Author: dragonfly411

Date: 9/14/2009 3:39:41 PM

Author: thing2of2

Date: 9/14/2009 3:22:19 PM

Author: dragonfly411

thing2 - he has shown signs of it in the past, if others have kept up with him. For instance (don''t remember if I mentioned it above), he went ON and ON about being the FIRST black man on a country music tv show once, and it was COMPLETE BS b/c others had been on before him.... LONG before him in fact. The guy is a sleeze.... period.

Okay, how is that racist? I guess I''m not really appreciating or understand the current usage of the word racist. Here''s Merriam-Webster''s definition:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-
Function: noun
Date: 1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

— rac·ist -sist also -shist noun or adjective

I''m not seeing how Kanye West fits into that.

Why would he feel the need to make a big deal of being a Black man on Country Music Television?

How is him pointing out that there are very few black people on Country Music Television racist? So if someone is not white and they point that out, that makes them racist?

 

[Lauren8211]

Date: 9/14/2009 3:52:42 PM
Author: dragonfly411

Date: 9/14/2009 3:39:41 PM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 9/14/2009 3:22:19 PM

Author: dragonfly411

thing2 - he has shown signs of it in the past, if others have kept up with him. For instance (don''t remember if I mentioned it above), he went ON and ON about being the FIRST black man on a country music tv show once, and it was COMPLETE BS b/c others had been on before him.... LONG before him in fact. The guy is a sleeze.... period.

Okay, how is that racist? I guess I''m not really appreciating or understand the current usage of the word racist. Here''s Merriam-Webster''s definition:


Main Entry: rac·ism

Pronunciation: ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-
Function: noun

Date: 1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

— rac·ist -sist also -shist noun or adjective


I''m not seeing how Kanye West fits into that.

Why would he feel the need to make a big deal of being a Black man on Country Music Television?

I''m not getting the racism connection either.

If someone announces that they are the first to do something, how is that racism? First woman VP candidate, Sarah Palin, is she sexist? Obama, first black pres, is he racist? Hilary Clinton...etc...etc... you get the point.

Confused....

 

[iheartscience]

elledizzy, President Obama is totally racist...Glenn Beck says so.

 

[Lauren8211]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:07:18 PM
Author: thing2of2
elledizzy, President Obama is totally racist...Glenn Beck says so.

Out of respect for PS''s no politics rule, I''m not laughing at this!

 

[dragonfly411]

To me, until we can COMPLETELY let go of a person''s race in relation to actions, or anything then it is still there. It shouldn''t matter if he''s black and on Country Music Television, just like it shouldn''t matter that Eminem is white on rap stations (which I don''t know if Eminem has ever made a point of it or not). That''s where it relates in MY mind.

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:06:46 PM
Author: elledizzy5

Date: 9/14/2009 3:52:42 PM

I''m not getting the racism connection either.


If someone announces that they are the first to do something, how is that racism? First woman VP candidate, Sarah Palin, is she sexist? Obama, first black pres, is he racist? Hilary Clinton...etc...etc... you get the point.


Confused....

Just want to add the Geraldine Ferraro was the first woman VP candidate.

 

[Lauren8211]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:14:47 PM
Author: LAJennifer

Date: 9/14/2009 4:06:46 PM
Author: elledizzy5

Date: 9/14/2009 3:52:42 PM

I''m not getting the racism connection either.


If someone announces that they are the first to do something, how is that racism? First woman VP candidate, Sarah Palin, is she sexist? Obama, first black pres, is he racist? Hilary Clinton...etc...etc... you get the point.


Confused....

Just want to add the Geraldine Ferraro was the first woman VP candidate.

Ok so history is my achilles heel.

 

[dragonfly411]

I wanted to add, I don''t know for sure that the man IS racist, but he has shown signs to me of having a race based thought process in some areas at times. That was honestly just one example of his mention of race in general, since it was asked how racism came in to play in relation to Kanye''s actions.

I don''t know that last night''s actions were race related, or if they were just based on Beyonce''s talent according to him. I mainly just wanted to give example as to WHY he may come off as racist.

Back to our regular Kanye is a jerk programming

 

[Lauren8211]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:19:56 PM
Author: dragonfly411
I wanted to add, I don''t know for sure that the man IS racist, but he has shown signs to me of having a race based thought process in some areas at times. That was honestly just one example of his mention of race in general, since it was asked how racism came in to play in relation to Kanye''s actions.

I don''t know that last night''s actions were race related, or if they were just based on Beyonce''s talent according to him. I mainly just wanted to give example as to WHY he may come off as racist.

Back to our regular Kanye is a jerk programming

Kanye is a d-bag in any color.

 

[princesss]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:14:45 PM
Author: dragonfly411
To me, until we can COMPLETELY let go of a person's race in relation to actions, or anything then it is still there. It shouldn't matter if he's black and on Country Music Television, just like it shouldn't matter that Eminem is white on rap stations (which I don't know if Eminem has ever made a point of it or not). That's where it relates in MY mind.

But that doesn't really have anything to do with the actual definition of racism. It sounds to me like by pointing it out he's celebrating breaking down the barriers of what is generally seen as a genre that not many African Americans pay attention to or have big roles in - which would, eventually, lead to what you're talking about where race isn't an issue. Breaking down those barriers is something we should talk about and celebrate.

If he'd said something about how Taylor Swift only got it because she was white, you might have a point. But I think you're reaching at this point to call it racist.

ETA: We were posting at the same time.

 

[dragonfly411]

princess - Although I agree that celebration of breaking barriers can be important, I again don''t see us ever TRULY letting go of the issue if we continue to highlight it.

But again, he also wasn''t the first black person on country music television, so he again had no reason to boast, and again was a dbag

Sorry, I just think the guy is a jerk.

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:22:21 PM
Author: princesss

Date: 9/14/2009 4:14:45 PM

Author: dragonfly411

To me, until we can COMPLETELY let go of a person''s race in relation to actions, or anything then it is still there. It shouldn''t matter if he''s black and on Country Music Television, just like it shouldn''t matter that Eminem is white on rap stations (which I don''t know if Eminem has ever made a point of it or not). That''s where it relates in MY mind.

But that doesn''t really have anything to do with the actual definition of racism. It sounds to me like by pointing it out he''s celebrating breaking down the barriers of what is generally seen as a genre that not many African Americans pay attention to or have big roles in - which would, eventually, lead to what you''re talking about where race isn''t an issue. Breaking down those barriers is something we should talk about and celebrate.


If he''d said something about how Taylor Swift only got it because she was white, you might have a point. But I think you''re reaching at this point to call it racist.


ETA: We were posting at the same time.

I agree. In and of itself, his outburst wasn''t racist.

That said, I wonder what HE would say if someone like Bono pulled the microphone from a young, African-American artist and stole their moment??

At the risk of many of you agreeing with him (and missing my point) it was Kanye who stood up at the Katrina benefit and stated "George Bush hates black people". If a white rock star said the same about Mr. West, I guarantee the person who said it would be labeled a racist til the end of their days...

 

[princesss]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:27:11 PM
Author: dragonfly411
princess - Although I agree that celebration of breaking barriers can be important, I again don''t see us ever TRULY letting go of the issue if we continue to highlight it.

But again, he also wasn''t the first black person on country music television, so he again had no reason to boast, and again was a dbag

Sorry, I just think the guy is a jerk.

And I don''t see anybody truly letting it go until all of those barriers are broken down, so I''m going to keep on celebrating!

And yes, he''s a jerk. A biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig jerk.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:27:11 PM
Author: dragonfly411
princess - Although I agree that celebration of breaking barriers can be important, I again don''t see us ever TRULY letting go of the issue if we continue to highlight it.

But again, he also wasn''t the first black person on country music television, so he again had no reason to boast, and again was a dbag

Sorry, I just think the guy is a jerk.

This is the most ridiculous thing I''ve ever heard. "We''ll never move on from racism until people stop talking about racism and just sweep it under the rug! And Kanye West is a racist!"

 

[princesss]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:38:09 PM
Author: beebrisk

Date: 9/14/2009 4:22:21 PM
Author: princesss

Date: 9/14/2009 4:14:45 PM

Author: dragonfly411

To me, until we can COMPLETELY let go of a person''s race in relation to actions, or anything then it is still there. It shouldn''t matter if he''s black and on Country Music Television, just like it shouldn''t matter that Eminem is white on rap stations (which I don''t know if Eminem has ever made a point of it or not). That''s where it relates in MY mind.

But that doesn''t really have anything to do with the actual definition of racism. It sounds to me like by pointing it out he''s celebrating breaking down the barriers of what is generally seen as a genre that not many African Americans pay attention to or have big roles in - which would, eventually, lead to what you''re talking about where race isn''t an issue. Breaking down those barriers is something we should talk about and celebrate.


If he''d said something about how Taylor Swift only got it because she was white, you might have a point. But I think you''re reaching at this point to call it racist.


ETA: We were posting at the same time.

I agree. In and of itself, his outburst wasn''t racist.

That said, I wonder what HE would say if someone like Bono pulled the microphone from a young, African-American artist and stole their moment??

At the risk of many of you agreeing with him (and missing my point) it was Kanye who stood up at the Katrina benefit and stated ''George Bush hates black people''. If a white rock star said the same about Mr. West, I guarantee the person who said it would be labeled a racist til the end of their days...

I''ve never heard that he said that (not disputing that he did, but somehow that comment flew way under my radar). But then, I don''t really pay any attention to him or what the majority of musicians say (their role in my life is to provide me with music, not social commentary or generalized "entertainment"). He may very well be racist - I just don''t think this incident proves it one way or the other.

 

[dragonfly411]

Thing2 - I''m pretty sure those were not my words. I never once said whether or not he WAS a racist, only that he has shown racist tendencies. I also don''t think racism as a history should be thrown under the rug. I think that race SHOULD NOT PLAY A ROLE in a person''s place in society. Period. But think what you want.

 

[Mrs.Guz]

Thing2 - I''m pretty sure those were not my words. I never once said whether or not he WAS a racist, only that he has shown racist tendencies.

Dragonfly411, I totally agree with the above comment that you made about Kanye West.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 9/14/2009 5:05:06 PM
Author: Mrs.Guz
Thing2 - I''m pretty sure those were not my words. I never once said whether or not he WAS a racist, only that he has shown racist tendencies.

Dragonfly411, I totally agree with the above comment that you made about Kanye West.

And I would still love to know what racist tendencies you both speak of. Pointing out that there aren''t many black people on CMT doesn''t qualify as racist-sorry!

 

[dragonfly411]

Date: 9/14/2009 5:07:35 PM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 9/14/2009 5:05:06 PM

Author: Mrs.Guz

Thing2 - I''m pretty sure those were not my words. I never once said whether or not he WAS a racist, only that he has shown racist tendencies.


Dragonfly411, I totally agree with the above comment that you made about Kanye West.

And I would still love to know what racist tendencies you both speak of. Pointing out that there aren''t many black people on CMT doesn''t qualify as racist-sorry!

Which is again why I say that I didn''t CALL HIM a racist. I said he has shown tendencies. That happened to be an example and yes TO ME that is a tendency towards racism b/c you feel the need to point out your race in a place in society. My view point listed above on race in relation to society should explain that clearly. I also said Back to the regular Kanye is a Jerk programming which is where I shall remain after this post. I had simply hoped to clarify to others WHY he might COME OFF as SEEMING racist.

 

[nclrgirl]

Racist or not, who cares? I don''t understand why there''s a need to argue. You disagree. Our differences make this big world interesting!

 

[hlmr]

Kanye should be beyond ashamed of himself. To take the stage and microphone away from someone who is making an acceptance speech, in order to say he thought someone else deserved to win said award more, is not only egomaniacal but shows a complete lack of manners, empathy and basic human dignity.

Add to that, that he did this to a nineteen year old young lady, who has shown nothing but kindness and grace in her music career, and it makes it even more deplorable.

He is pathetic.

 

[lucyandroger]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:27:11 PM
Author: dragonfly411
princess - Although I agree that celebration of breaking barriers can be important, I again don''t see us ever TRULY letting go of the issue if we continue to highlight it.

But again, he also wasn''t the first black person on country music television, so he again had no reason to boast, and again was a dbag

Sorry, I just think the guy is a jerk.

There are many people for whom the color of their skin, shape of their bodies or eyes, texture of their hair, etc. does play a role in their everyday life, career advancement, etc. Speaking openly about this is not racism. Pretending like it does not happen allows it to continue unabated.

Race apparently does not pay much of a role in your life. You might want to take a moment to consider that for people not in the majority race, it may play more of a role.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 9/14/2009 5:24:22 PM
Author: lucyandroger

Date: 9/14/2009 4:27:11 PM

Author: dragonfly411

princess - Although I agree that celebration of breaking barriers can be important, I again don''t see us ever TRULY letting go of the issue if we continue to highlight it.

But again, he also wasn''t the first black person on country music television, so he again had no reason to boast, and again was a dbag

Sorry, I just think the guy is a jerk.

There are many people for whom the color of their skin, shape of their bodies or eyes, texture of their hair, etc. does play a role in their everyday life, career advancement, etc. Speaking openly about this is not racism. Pretending like it does not happen allows it to continue unabated.

Race apparently does not pay much of a role in your life. You might want to take a moment to consider that for people not in the majority race, it may play more of a role.

Well said, lucyandroger-exactly my thoughts.

 

[sunnyd]

Date: 9/14/2009 4:38:09 PM
Author: beebrisk

Date: 9/14/2009 4:22:21 PM
Author: princesss

Date: 9/14/2009 4:14:45 PM

Author: dragonfly411

To me, until we can COMPLETELY let go of a person''s race in relation to actions, or anything then it is still there. It shouldn''t matter if he''s black and on Country Music Television, just like it shouldn''t matter that Eminem is white on rap stations (which I don''t know if Eminem has ever made a point of it or not). That''s where it relates in MY mind.

But that doesn''t really have anything to do with the actual definition of racism. It sounds to me like by pointing it out he''s celebrating breaking down the barriers of what is generally seen as a genre that not many African Americans pay attention to or have big roles in - which would, eventually, lead to what you''re talking about where race isn''t an issue. Breaking down those barriers is something we should talk about and celebrate.


If he''d said something about how Taylor Swift only got it because she was white, you might have a point. But I think you''re reaching at this point to call it racist.


ETA: We were posting at the same time.

I agree. In and of itself, his outburst wasn''t racist.

That said, I wonder what HE would say if someone like Bono pulled the microphone from a young, African-American artist and stole their moment??

At the risk of many of you agreeing with him (and missing my point) it was Kanye who stood up at the Katrina benefit and stated ''George Bush hates black people''. If a white rock star said the same about Mr. West, I guarantee the person who said it would be labeled a racist til the end of their days...

I imagine something to the effect of "Bono hates black people."

 

[diamondringlover]

I have just watched the video and I was appalled, I have seen Taylor in concert a few years ago, she is a very talented young lady...so is only 19 and I found it disguting that he did that to her, Beyonce is a class act for letting Taylor come back on stage...I belong to several country musicians fan clubs and they are all very protective and supportive of Taylor, I realize booze does stupid things to people but I sure hope Kanye is feelling pretty low about his behaviour after he sober''s up, what a jerk

 

[nclrgirl]

That poor girl! What a shame.

 

[Vancity]

Instead of "Love Lockdown", Kanye should''ve kept his MOUTH LOCKED DOWN

*goes off humming*

So keep ya mouth locked down, ya mouth locked down...
...so keep ya mouth locked down, ya mouth locked down...

 

[Tuckins1]

He''s a giant talking dou%#* bag.

 

[sunnyd]

Date: 9/14/2009 5:48:43 PM
Author: Vancity
Instead of ''Love Lockdown'', Kanye should''ve kept his MOUTH LOCKED DOWN

*goes off humming*

So keep ya mouth locked down, ya mouth locked down...
...so keep ya mouth locked down, ya mouth locked down...

LOL!!!