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I absolutely don't think your post is political. But I the article is from 4/1/2020 and information is quickly coming to light. The CDC recommends masks the following and we follow this:
www.cdc.gov
If you are in a grocery store and you are 6 feet away from anyone or alone I'm with you about lifting my mask, my only problem is that studies are now showing that the virus does linger in the air and could land on me
BUT I fall in the over 65 age group and my contracting Covid-19 could be fatal but to many people who are younger and healthier I understand their feeling.. the thing is that people can transmit and not show symptoms.
You are highly educated and that is great and your point of view is educational and interesting do you have any suggestions to avoid the virus in public if one doesn't want to wear a mask? I have family that is in their 20s and 30s and it would be very helpful to me, one of my sons lives in Brooklyn and has to ride the subway again when he eventually goes back into Manhattan and any information or thoughts on this would be helpful.
For me? I will continue to wear my masks but I don't go out much anyway because I am lucky to not have to.
Again, I appreciate what you have posted.
Peace.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a virus (more specifically, a coronavirus) identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China.
If you are in a grocery store and you are 6 feet away from anyone or alone I'm with you about lifting my mask, my only problem is that studies are now showing that the virus does linger in the air and could land on me
BUT I fall in the over 65 age group and my contracting Covid-19 could be fatal but to many people who are younger and healthier I understand their feeling.. the thing is that people can transmit and not show symptoms.You are highly educated and that is great and your point of view is educational and interesting do you have any suggestions to avoid the virus in public if one doesn't want to wear a mask? I have family that is in their 20s and 30s and it would be very helpful to me, one of my sons lives in Brooklyn and has to ride the subway again when he eventually goes back into Manhattan and any information or thoughts on this would be helpful.
For me? I will continue to wear my masks but I don't go out much anyway because I am lucky to not have to.
Again, I appreciate what you have posted.
Peace.
I rarely post on Hangout, mostly because I spend way too much time on PS as it is. I also don't like political discussions because they always seem to denigrate into angry verbal boxing matches. I do want to comment on the-mandatory face mask policy, though. So here I go, dipping my toe in the swirling waters of this thread. I'm posting a link to commentary by two respiratory experts, citing many referenced studies, critiques and articles--52 of them to be exact. They present coherent, well-documented arguments explaining why masks are essentially ineffective. I encourage anyone with an open mind to read the article, look at the evidence and make up your own mind. It's a long article, but well worth the read. I would happily review a similar article with similar documentation that substantially supports the ubiquitous use of face masks in public as a coherent, logical policy.
COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data
www.cidrap.umn.edu
My background is in biochemistry and allied health (B.S. double major--biology and statistics; two M.S.degrees, one in biochemistry, the other in audiology; no PhD, so not an "expert" in any field). I teach high school now, but I worked for many years as a research associate and clinician in three different major medical centers. I feel very comfortable reading the actual studies referenced in articles like this. I confess I didn't read all of them, just the major ones, which I found to be well done and convincing. The "studies" referenced in many news articles are based on modeling and are, for the most part, statistical trash. Generally, they're done to influence people, not advance science. Models are useful to explain phenomena, but as far as predicting outcomes? Not so much. Masks, particularly homemade ones, don't work. They're not comfortable or healthy to wear for any significant period of time, and are essentially ineffective in preventing the spread of viruses. The logic used by the politicians and bureaucrats who have foisted this policy on people is insubstantial, contradictory and not based on convincing scientific evidence (at least in my view, YMMV). We've been told that "it'll help slow the spread". Politicians and bureaucrats have provided plenty of platitudes, but no compelling evidence for that assertion.
To anyone who feels more comfortable wearing a mask--for whatever reason-- I fully support your right to do so. I live in a state that has mandated "any person in a public place ... who is unable to or does not maintain a safe social distance of approximately six feet from every other person shall cover their mouth and nose with a mask or cloth face covering", Those are the actual words from the governor's decree. I personally refuse to wear a mask outside. I feel like I'm suffocating with it on. It makes me feel panicked and anxious. It's not healthy for me to breathe in my own exhalation for extended periods of time. And yes, it is a complete infringement on my right to BREATHE AIR unmolested. In the grocery store, if I'm alone in the aisle, I let the mask hang from one ear loop. When someone enters the aisle and is moving towards me, I'll put it over my nose and mouth and loop it over my other ear. Because I want to be as considerate as possible and because I'm not necessarily trying to make a statement, I usually re-mask well before anyone gets to that six foot zone. I'll also put it on to move to the next aisle, in case I encounter someone within six feet who's not in my current view. I always wear it during checkout. In other words, I cover my nose and mouth whenever I'm within six feet of another person--JUST LIKE THE GOVERNOR SAID. But that's the extent to which I'll comply. I'm not willing to put up with discomfort and ill effects on my health so that other people can "feel safe". To be clear, IF compelling evidence existed, showing that mask wearing DID help, my opinions and my actions would be different.
Please do not take my judgments and opinions as a political statement. I'm so over the politics of this entire thing and don't want to alienate any of my fellow PSers.
“ Front-line medical professionals have been doing the same, and there have been several reports from many doctors in multiple countries highlighting it’s success in treating Covid patients. Dr. Mark Siegel credited it for saving his father’s life when he contracted Covid and almost died, as did a Democrat Michigan lawmaker when she contracted Covid ... of course, after she credited Trump/hydroxychloroquine for saving her life, her party tried to censure her because they can’t bear to hear Trump’s name be praised by one of their own. Bring on the scorn machine ...
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