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Never had a beer in my life.And since it's a drinking game, no part of Maria's post should have offended anyone! Fun how that works!
Never had a beer in my life.And since it's a drinking game, no part of Maria's post should have offended anyone! Fun how that works!
What did I say. ???I hope this never happens to one of your daughters @Dancing Fire .
I wouldn’t be able to look at my father if made some of the comments you have made. I would disown him.
I'm sure there are many women who have been sexually assaulted, but that doesn't mean Kavanaugh was one of those perpetrator.@Dancing Fire , I know you have read the comments on this thread. It’s pretty obvious Kavanaugh being confirmed has hit many women on here like a ton of bricks.
@OboeGal this is EXACTLY WHAT I think.I have to reluctantly agree that there wasn't enough definitive information to conclude with conviction what our guts are telling us likely happened - although I do believe one BIG reason for that is that there wasn't a REAL investigation done by the FBI - just a sham one. Of course, that wasn't necessarily under the control of the senators who had to vote one way or another, so I think you have a fair point there. If I had been a senator, I still would have voted against him on the basis of his lies about his conduct in high school and college, extremely partisan rhetoric, history of partisan work, and questionable statements about the legal immunity of a sitting president.
I'm sorry that you, too, have had traumatic experiences that are being triggered.
Congrats to Kavanaugh! hope you drink a 6 pack tonight.
Wow. No matter what your political affiliation is, this is hugely insensitive. While you may think that this is a "win" and are celebrating it - you also have to know that thousands (millions) of women across the US and the world are feeling like this is one more instance where justice was not served and that their voices didn't matter. Many of those women are here and have shared intimate details of their pain and trauma relating to this issue. And you have rubbed this in their faces like it is some kind of dumb joke. This is not a joke. Sexual assault is not something to laugh at, whether you personally think that Kavanaugh did it or not. Alcoholism is also not something to joke about. I am shocked that you would think that it is.
And if you think that no-one in your life has ever been exposed to sexual violence, I would say to you that you may not know what has happened to the women in your life who you love. Many daughters do not disclose to their fathers when they have been victimized. Many wives do not tell their husbands. Many mothers and sisters and aunts and grandmothers simply live with the pain of things that have happened to them buried inside of them. I hope for your sake that the women in your life aren't hearing these kinds of remarks in real life and having it reinforced for them that it is not safe to disclose. That their feelings don't matter. That they don't matter. Because I would like to think that the women in your life who you love matter to you.
So based on that reason BK is automatically guilty of the crime?If Dr. Blasey Ford did not KNOW her attackers, I'd say your point is valid, @Jambalaya . The trouble with what you've posted is that in your example, the victim did not KNOW the alleged perpetrator/accused. Dr. Blasey Ford knew both BK and MJ socially.
So based on that reason BK is automatically guilty of the crime?
The left wing media said...if you shake hands with Trump you are automatically guilty of all crimes.@monarch
I was reading more about the case today and someone online quoted an article from the Boston Globe which said it was concerned that none of the four friends Dr. Ford named could remember the party. And that's a very respectable left-wing Democrat paper.
The consequences of mistakenly or falsely accusing someone can be about as serious as it gets. That's why I won't blindly believe anybody purely on the basis of how convincing they seem and without a thorough investigation. Horrific damage has occurred in these kinds of cases to great human cost.
It is not the same case (neurologically and psychologically) if you knew your attacker.Jennifer Thompson said she "studied every detail of the rapist's face." But she was still wrong. She identified the wrong guy...multiple times. "Sabrina's" article in Rolling Stone magazine was breathtaking in its apparent sincerity, but she was a political activist who was trying to draw attention to rape culture and didn't care that she threw her three friends plus a number of men under the bus to achieve her political aims. I was utterly taken in. Never occurred to me for one second that somebody would make such a thing up. The accuser of the Duke lacrosse team was also lying. This kind of thing is why there has to be an investigation. I'd do this:
- Interview the parents of the house where the party took place.
- Interview BK's family members.
- Interview Dr. Ford's family members. (Have they said anything yet? Not sure.)
- Interview Mark Judge.
- Appeal for anybody to come forward who remembers a gathering with Dr. Ford and BK in the summer of 1982 or thereabouts. Some people do save their diaries and calendars. I gather no one has yet said they remember a party at that time where both were there.
- Appeal for the family members of anyone who remembers their child or sibling attending such a gathering.
- Talk to Dr. Ford's close friends from that time.
- Talk to BK's close friends from that time.
ETA: I'm sure there's more, but this is just off the bat. Dr. Ford may have been convincing, but other accusers who were genuinely mistaken or just flat-out lying were also convincing. Convincing enough to get arrests made, fraternity houses closed, wrongful convictions, lives ruined with their utter certainty which then turned out to be made of thin air.
I'm demonstrating from other cases just how fallible memory can be and I'm arguing for the fairness of a proper investigation before the accused is condemned. It's common sense, not to mention a reflection of democratic process. I'm not sure what's "disturbing" about that.
It is not the same case (neurologically and psychologically) if you knew your attacker.
The cases of witness reliability as to details or facial features are not the same as dealing with a person you know.
In short, you can it doesn't imprint in your brain of the attacker wore a white/purple /red/blue shirt etc...
But you'll forever k iw it was Tom/Dick/Harry from last year's summer camp.
What is your solution to this problem? Rape victims will be traumatized by the crime. Do we not validate them when they identify their assailant? You do realize that most of the time, the people they identify are correct... like close to 99% of the time.@monarch: Right, right, but JT says she studied her rapist's face intensively throughout the attack.
I'm just saying that I cannot condemn Person X on the basis of the fervency of Person Y's accusations. I would never condemn someone outright unless no stone had been left unturned in an investigation. The possibility that he's innocent yet has been dragged through all this eats at me. Elizabeth Smart was in the news recently because one of her abusers had been released from prison. I was reading all about it - she is an amazing woman. An innocent man, Richard, was accused of the kidnapping. The police were utterly convinced that he did it, and what tore at my heartstrings was the footage of the police interview where they were aggressively questioning him, and they reduced this big tough man to tears. He died a few days later in police custody of an aneurysm, probably because of all the stress. Then his partner died a few years later by taking her own life. Her son said she never recovered.
I was reading more about the case today and someone online quoted an article from the Boston Globe which said it was concerned that none of the four friends Dr. Ford named could remember the party. And that's a very respectable left-wing Democrat paper.
The consequences of mistakenly or falsely accusing someone can be about as serious as it gets. That's why I won't blindly believe anybody purely on the basis of how convincing they seem without a thorough investigation. It's all very well if she's correct, but can you imagine if she's mistaken, what it's like to be wrongly accused? Horrific damage has occurred in these kinds of cases to great human cost.