Urgent Advice: 3.27ct F/VS1 GIA Triple Ex. A Good Stone?

[summerholiday]

Hi all, I have been on the hunt for a 3ct round brilliant and have been offered this stone by a jeweler:

3.27 Round Brilliant
F Color, VS1 Clarity, GIA Triple Excellent
No Fluorescence, no Culet

PROPORTIONS
Depth 61.9 %
Table 56 %
Crown Angle 34.5°
Crown Height 15.0%
Pavilion Angle 41.2°
Pavilion Depth 43.5%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 85%
Girdle Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 3.0%

I was told this is a Hearts and Arrow Ideal Cut. But when I run the proportions by the Holloway Cut Adviser, the score says 3.2 which worries me a bit as I want the stone to be really sparkly.

Any expert here can advise me on the cut of this stone? I need to make a decision in the next 24 hours so any advice will be very much appreciated

 

[silvar-surfer]

The only way that the seller can prove this is a "hearts and arrows" diamond is to produce proof that it is indeed so. You need to view the scope images for properly formed arrows and hearts. Images will be best. However, based on proportions, I think this diamond is loosely termed as such.

 

[MissGotRocks]

The HCA score gets dinged because the pavilion angle is greater than 41. Have you seen the stone or an IS image of it?

 

[summerholiday]

I am buying the stone without seeing it hence the jitters. Anyone would like to chime?

I have been sent pictures of the stone under ideal scope. Let me figure out how to post the pictures here

 

[summerholiday]

Some pictures I was given...

 

[summerholiday]

And for the price of USD103,400, is this a good quality stone? Thanks much in advance for any comments

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Looks awfully warm to be an F colored stone...

Have you tried plugging the specs into the PS search engine to see if their price is fair?

 

[ecf8503]

Hmm. Well it has "hearts" and "arrows"... kind of. They aren't perfect (chevrons aren't even, arrow heads don't line up, hearts are cleaved, etc). So don't let them sell it to you as if it is.

I really think you should get some idealscope images first. If you can't do that with this vendor then I'd consider finding another vendor. That a LOT of money to set down on something sight unseen, and you may (or may not) be getting what you should be paying for (ideal light performance).

 

[summerholiday]

Looks awfully warm to be an F colored stone...

Have you tried plugging the specs into the PS search engine to see if their price is fair?

I just did and it seems it's in line with Blue Nile though a little discount won't hurt anyone

I am more concerned on whether this is a good quality stone as it is probably my last E-ring upgrade. I doubt I would venture into anything bigger any time soon

 

[tyty333]

Hmm. Well it has "hearts" and "arrows"... kind of. They aren't perfect (chevrons aren't even, arrow heads don't line up, hearts are cleaved, etc). So don't let them sell it to you as if it is.

I really think you should get some idealscope images first. If you can't do that with this vendor then I'd consider finding another vendor. That a LOT of money to set down on something sight unseen, and you may (or may not) be getting what you should be paying for (ideal light performance).

+1

Im pretty sure it would not be an H&A by most of our vendors (BGD, WF, GOG) . I would not spend that kind of money without
an idealscope image (its pavilion angle is a little high).

 

[04diamond<3]

Here's what I'd consider to be a far better stone:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/4.090-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104065989001

 

[AnneinGA]

For that kind of $$ I wouldn't settle for an "almost".
And I agree that it looks awfully warm to be an F.
I missed the color and thought when I saw it that it might be a J or K.

 

[stargurl78]

Here's what I'd consider to be a far better stone:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/4.090-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104065989001

For that price, I would definitely choose this stone over the one you posted... Great find!

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

With that budget you have a few "good" choices, would you like alternatives? Do you want an "E" color, specifically?

cheers--Sharon

 

[msop04]

For that kind of $$ I wouldn't settle for an "almost".
And I agree that it looks awfully warm to be an F.
I missed the color and thought when I saw it that it might be a J or K.

+1
An F should be icy white, and this stone shows "vanilla." It could be the background, but I don't know why anyone would send a photo that would misrepresent the color so much...

The Brian Gavin stone looks incredible though!!

 

[heididdl]

Here's what I'd consider to be a far better stone:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/4.090-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104065989001

I agree this stone to die for I also agree for that kind of money it should be ideal

 

[LLJsmom]

It looked yellow for an F. Could it be due to the tweezers which appear gold in color? Be certain of the color first!!

 

[Dreamer_D]

OP: What is the return policy?

For that kind of $$ I wouldn't settle for an "almost".
And I agree that it looks awfully warm to be an F.
I missed the color and thought when I saw it that it might be a J or K.

+1
An F should be icy white, and this stone shows "vanilla." It could be the background, but I don't know why anyone would send a photo that would misrepresent the color so much...

The Brian Gavin stone looks incredible though!!

It is a GIA graded diamond for color. You cannot judge color by photos, diamonds reflect all sorts of things, and the vendor may or may not be set up to take diamond glamor shots. Is your concern that the photo is not really the stone in the GIA report? Because otherwise I think you are planting doubts for no reason.

 

[MissGotRocks]

OP: What is the return policy?

For that kind of $$ I wouldn't settle for an "almost".
And I agree that it looks awfully warm to be an F.
I missed the color and thought when I saw it that it might be a J or K.

+1
An F should be icy white, and this stone shows "vanilla." It could be the background, but I don't know why anyone would send a photo that would misrepresent the color so much...

The Brian Gavin stone looks incredible though!!

It is a GIA graded diamond for color. You cannot judge color by photos, diamonds reflect all sorts of things, and the vendor may or may not be set up to take diamond glamor shots. Is your concern that the photo is not really the stone in the GIA report? Because otherwise I think you are planting doubts for no reason.

This is exactly my thought. It's graded an F so I can only assume the picture isn't taken in the best lighting for color.

 

[summerholiday]

I have no doubts this is an F colour because the GIA report says so. This vendor is an offline vendor so I believe the picture was take in store with a cell phone which may explain the tinge of yellow you see on the stone.

My main concern on this stone is more on the cut. I saw the BG diamond suggested but I don't quite like the idea of a fluorescent diamond.

This stone may not be AGS 0 in terms of cut but the merit was the inclusions are away from the table and none of them was black which makes this stone appeals to me. That said, I do like the diamond to be relatively well cut and that's where I need your advice here. Does the appearance of hearts and arrows say that this diamond is a good cut though it may not be labelled as H&A on the certificate?

 

[treasurehunter]

Symmetry has very little affect on cut yea hearts and arrows is a nice gimmick when you have the viewer but in real life you won't notice the difference. , proportions are much more important to the beauty of the stone.
As for the other stone I don't like the idea of getting H colour , I would prefer the F .

 

[treasurehunter]

What are you looking for in the diamond, whats your most important criteria,
Clarity? Cut or Colour? or size?
You could definitely sacrifice the clarity a bit to VS2 or SI1 if its eye clean to get a bigger size or better colour for example

 

[04diamond<3]

I have no doubts this is an F colour because the GIA report says so. This vendor is an offline vendor so I believe the picture was take in store with a cell phone which may explain the tinge of yellow you see on the stone.

My main concern on this stone is more on the cut. I saw the BG diamond suggested but I don't quite like the idea of a fluorescent diamond.

Are you kidding???? We LOVE fluorescence around here and for that size...!! But since you seem so against it, I found another:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/4.191-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-c-104065334001#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/0/

 

[pyramid]

It seems like the original poster is looking for a collection colorless stone. A colorless stone with specs she
has given would be much more sought after than a G color.

 

[kaoms352]

This is NOT a H&A on account that with a crown angle of 34.5, the pavilion needs to fall between 40.4-41 degrees. It is not that far away from H&A specs but should not be advertised as so. It would probably be a beautiful stone, but not optimal light performance.