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That argument makes no sense. Keep the failing coal industry running because some people in coal country depend on those jobs? Coal mining is a job, a dangerous one at that, with mines that absolutely gouge their workers.

Poverty is a very complex issue in which the wealthiest taking from the poorest plays a huge part. Kind of like not paying contractors for fair labor or not paying your fair share of taxes meant to benefit everyone.
 
It is not just coal mining.

It is regulations and hurdles that businesses have to jump through and why so many new ones fail.

It is stifling regulations where some people cannot even do what they want on their own land.
 
Elliot86 said:
That argument makes no sense. Keep the failing coal industry running because some people in coal country depend on those jobs? Coal mining is a job, a dangerous one at that, with mines that absolutely gouge their workers.

Poverty is a very complex issue in which the wealthiest taking from the poorest plays a huge part. Kind of like not paying contractors for fair labor or not paying your fair share of taxes meant to benefit everyone.
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The highlighted part. Are you referring to Trump and those windows?

As far as the second sentence, then these loopholes need to be closed otherwise the rich are going to take advantage of them. Trump is hardly the only one to have done so.
 
ruby59 said:
The highlighted part. Are you referring to Trump and those windows?

As far as the second sentence, then these loopholes need to be closed otherwise the rich are going to take advantage of them. Trump is hardly the only one to have done so.
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To quote you from earlier, "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."

And while I do care what others do in that it affects others, the argument "Yeah, but Trump isn't the only one who does it!" will never hold weight. He is the ultimate example and he fails time and time again to do the right thing or even attempt it.
 
ruby59 said:
We do not agree on a lot, but I always had great respect for you that you did not let your EX bring you down.

I wish my sister had half the sense you do as well as the strength not to have to live that way..

But what happens when you live in a State like West Virginia and coal mining is all you know. And there are no other jobs. And you cannot afford to move.
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That doesn't mean you try to revive coal mining. The world is moving to renewable energy and away from coal. There are many articles on this subject. Here's one. http://www.npr.org/2017/02/20/516292269/as-trump-vows-to-grow-industry-countries-move-away-from-coal

Retraining is required in these locations. Many tech jobs are available and can be done remotely. In addition, trade workers are local, always needed and don't require higher education or long training time.

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Here's a guy from another board explaining how the coal industry is dead:

For over 30 years I have been a civil and environmental engineer cleaning up coal sites and ash piles (along with landfills, nuclear sites, and hazwaste sites) from central Pennsylvania to Arkansas - the entire length and breath of Appalachia. I have worked for the power industry both as a manager, contractor and as a consultant.

So you and I both know coal is dead and is never ever coming back.

Coal wasn't killed by Obama's EPA. It was killed by cheap fracking gas (which Trump loves). You can build a town and a community around a coal mine that hires hundreds of workers. A fracking gas well head, on the other hand, is just two guys coming out every three months to perform monitoring and maintenance. Existing coal power plants are old and at the end of their operational lives, so everyone is planning to decommission them within the next decade. But gas is cheap and plentiful, so nobody is building new coal burning plants anymore, only combined cycle gas turbines. Entire nations such as Canada and France are banning coal use after 2020. And don't look for China and India to make up for demand. Coal use in both these nations has peaked.

I get the anger and despair, I've seen it up close.

I would come back to a town five years later to build another disposal cell, set groundwater monitoring wells, or cap off a completed site. I would see that main street is now boarded up and there would be someone strung out on meth or heroin passed out on the park bench a block away from the local grade school.

Appalachia is now one giant ghetto slum stretching across a half dozen states and culturally no different than Detroit south of 8 Mile Road. You see the same pathologies, dependency on welfare, addiction to drugs, and rampant prostitution. There are parts of eastern Kentucky where I won't go out at night and I never stay anywhere except major chain hotels (I used to save per diem money by staying at local motels - I don't dare do that anymore).

Remember that pot growing family that got butchered in Piketon Ohio? Didn't surprise me in the least since I spent years driving past that very spot on my way to a decommissioning job at the old nuclear bomb plant down the road. There is a reason that part of Ohio is called "Oxycontin Alley".

The only difference with places like Detroit is skin color.

And all those small towns dependent on the local factories for jobs? They are dead men walking as well. Those jobs are forever gone, never to return. They were taken by automation and robots not Chinese or Mexicans. That Carrier Plant deal that Trump is so proud of was nothing but a scam played on Indiana tax payers who will foot the bill. Most of the jobs will still be lost and the 800 "saved" jobs will only exist until the factory is automated in a few years. The VP of Carrier admitted that the $70 million will go towards acquisition of the robots that will replace these workers. Suckers!

Seriously, you people really are rubes and suckers, easy marks that a con man like Trump knows how to play. He's every crooked contractor and dirty developer I have ever met only on a much grander scale. And you fell for his scam, you stupid rubes - because you preferred conspiracy theories to thinking and scapegoats to solutions.

The bottom line is this - a high school degree no longer gets you into the middle class. Those days are also dead and gone and never coming back. Ever. This is not to say that everyone should go to college. We send too many people to college to learn liberal arts when what our country really needs is trained plumbers, masons, pipe fitters, electricians, skilled heavy equipment operators, etc. On my sites, skilled workers could make six figures if they were good.

So let the dead bury the dead, time to give birth to something new.
 
Since there will be much gaslighting on this topic today, let's take a trip down memory lane.
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E B said:
Since there will be much gaslighting on this topic today, let's take a trip down memory lane.
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But but but... No fair! It's different when Republicans do it.
 
Elliot86 said:
But but but... No fair! It's different when Republicans do it.
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Politics is largely tit for tat. Never denied that.

But we are talking about the here and now with a more than qualified candidate.

But I do have one question if someone could answer for me about the nuclear option that I do not quite understand.

If the Republicans invoke it, that means it becomes the new law, and you can never go back? Or can you?
 
E B said:
Those photos today had me in tears. The one of the father holding his dead twin toddlers. I felt- and still feel- ill over all of it. Those poor babies.
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It is truly heartbreaking. I see that word ("heartbreaking") thrown around somewhat casually sometimes - well, this is what the word was meant for. Situations like this. I wish people in general cared more. I wish they would care enough to throw support behind our gov't HELPING refugees instead of turning our backs on them.
 
Hypocrisy is definitely inconvenient.

 
redwood66 said:
Hypocrisy is definitely inconvenient.

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Red -- we should be beyond beating the rotting corpse of the dead horse "they did/do it too." It's irrelevant. Tweeter and the Republicans are in control. I'm looking at this through a broader lens. We have a lunatic for a president who has filled important positions of power with people who are hell-bent on destroying essential government institutions without offering something better in return and causing great harm. Gorsuch is just another example of the mini me's tweeter supports. Everything must evaluated through the tweeter lens because the buck stops with him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/sunday-review/the-government-gorsuch-wants-to-undo.html?_r=0
 
Matata said:
Red -- we should be beyond beating the rotting corpse of the dead horse "they did/do it too." It's irrelevant. Tweeter and the Republicans are in control. I'm looking at this through a broader lens. We have a lunatic for a president who has filled important positions of power with people who are hell-bent on destroying essential government institutions without offering something better in return and causing great harm. Gorsuch is just another example of the mini me's tweeter supports. Everything must evaluated through the tweeter lens because the buck stops with him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/sunday-review/the-government-gorsuch-wants-to-undo.html?_r=0
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I do not agree with you. Gorsuch is fully qualified and a good candidate. For me I wish I was saying President Cruz.

I thought you said maybe someone needs to blow it all up? Or was that someone else? And as far as beating a dead horse please tell that to your compatriots.
 
redwood66 said:
I do not agree with you. Gorsuch is fully qualified and a good candidate. For me I wish I was saying President Cruz.

I thought you said maybe someone needs to blow it all up? Or was that someone else? And as far as beating a dead horse please tell that to your compatriots.
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For me I wish we were saying President Clinton, that Judge Garland was now a supreme. We don't need another Scalia.. he was horrid.. his minimalist approach to the law was short-sighted and selfish and he catered to the rich conservatives.

I don't see in any way the democrats are hypocrites.. the hypocrites are republicans who say they want to help the poor and pass legislation to hurt the poor.

As to Cruz.. he will never be elected as long as he projects akin to sociopathic bent on always being right he also unable to work in groups. :)
 
Elliot86 said:
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I was so happy to read about Barry Mannilow. He was a favorite of mine growing up and I still like his music.

But the tweet makes no sense linking it to Trump. I am sure you could also say he was married a lot longer to his husband then some posters here.

But what does that prove?
 
ruby59 said:
I was so happy to read about Barry Mannilow. He was a favorite of mine growing up and I still like his music.

But the tweet makes no sense linking it to Trump. I am sure you could also say he was married a lot longer to his husband then some posters here.

But what does that prove?
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Yes I love Barry Manilow and this is no surprise to many. He makes people happy and I am happy for him.
 
ruby59 said:
I was so happy to read about Barry Mannilow. He was a favorite of mine growing up and I still like his music.

But the tweet makes no sense linking it to Trump. I am sure you could also say he was married a lot longer to his husband then some posters here.

But what does that prove?
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It's not "proving" anything, it's just a funny tweet.
 
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How freaking PATHETIC. Yes, another reminder that the azzholes running the country are back stabbing children. It does seem to back up the idea that Bannon was not happy about the recent developments with his position...

Link:

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/bre...eve-bannons-nsc-ouster/#.WOZwHOc3GQY.facebook

And snip:

Breitbart News typically hasn’t focused much on Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner — but that might be changing in the wake of ex-Breitbart boss Steve Bannon’s ouster from the National Security Council.

As Media Matters notes, Breitbart published four negative stories about Kushner on the same day that news broke that Bannon was out at the NSC.

Among other things, Breitbart published a story about Roger Stone slamming Kushner for allegedly leaking dirt on Bannon, as well as a snarky listicle outlining all of the responsibilities that Trump has given to “a 36-year-old real estate mogul” with “a thin resume in diplomacy.”
 
More tit for tat. No surprise there.
 
This not a "tweet" but a quote from Trump per Peter Alexander on Twitter

BREAKING: Pres Trump on AF1: "I think we’ve had one of the most successful 13 weeks in the history of the presidency."
 
mary poppins said:
That doesn't mean you try to revive coal mining. The world is moving to renewable energy and away from coal. There are many articles on this subject. Here's one. http://www.npr.org/2017/02/20/516292269/as-trump-vows-to-grow-industry-countries-move-away-from-coal

Retraining is required in these locations. Many tech jobs are available and can be done remotely. In addition, trade workers are local, always needed and don't require higher education or long training time.

----

Here's a guy from another board explaining how the coal industry is dead:

For over 30 years I have been a civil and environmental engineer cleaning up coal sites and ash piles (along with landfills, nuclear sites, and hazwaste sites) from central Pennsylvania to Arkansas - the entire length and breath of Appalachia. I have worked for the power industry both as a manager, contractor and as a consultant.

So you and I both know coal is dead and is never ever coming back.

Coal wasn't killed by Obama's EPA. It was killed by cheap fracking gas (which Trump loves). You can build a town and a community around a coal mine that hires hundreds of workers. A fracking gas well head, on the other hand, is just two guys coming out every three months to perform monitoring and maintenance. Existing coal power plants are old and at the end of their operational lives, so everyone is planning to decommission them within the next decade. But gas is cheap and plentiful, so nobody is building new coal burning plants anymore, only combined cycle gas turbines. Entire nations such as Canada and France are banning coal use after 2020. And don't look for China and India to make up for demand. Coal use in both these nations has peaked.

I get the anger and despair, I've seen it up close.

I would come back to a town five years later to build another disposal cell, set groundwater monitoring wells, or cap off a completed site. I would see that main street is now boarded up and there would be someone strung out on meth or heroin passed out on the park bench a block away from the local grade school.

Appalachia is now one giant ghetto slum stretching across a half dozen states and culturally no different than Detroit south of 8 Mile Road. You see the same pathologies, dependency on welfare, addiction to drugs, and rampant prostitution. There are parts of eastern Kentucky where I won't go out at night and I never stay anywhere except major chain hotels (I used to save per diem money by staying at local motels - I don't dare do that anymore).

Remember that pot growing family that got butchered in Piketon Ohio? Didn't surprise me in the least since I spent years driving past that very spot on my way to a decommissioning job at the old nuclear bomb plant down the road. There is a reason that part of Ohio is called "Oxycontin Alley".

The only difference with places like Detroit is skin color.

And all those small towns dependent on the local factories for jobs? They are dead men walking as well. Those jobs are forever gone, never to return. They were taken by automation and robots not Chinese or Mexicans. That Carrier Plant deal that Trump is so proud of was nothing but a scam played on Indiana tax payers who will foot the bill. Most of the jobs will still be lost and the 800 "saved" jobs will only exist until the factory is automated in a few years. The VP of Carrier admitted that the $70 million will go towards acquisition of the robots that will replace these workers. Suckers!

Seriously, you people really are rubes and suckers, easy marks that a con man like Trump knows how to play. He's every crooked contractor and dirty developer I have ever met only on a much grander scale. And you fell for his scam, you stupid rubes - because you preferred conspiracy theories to thinking and scapegoats to solutions.

The bottom line is this - a high school degree no longer gets you into the middle class. Those days are also dead and gone and never coming back. Ever. This is not to say that everyone should go to college. We send too many people to college to learn liberal arts when what our country really needs is trained plumbers, masons, pipe fitters, electricians, skilled heavy equipment operators, etc. On my sites, skilled workers could make six figures if they were good.

So let the dead bury the dead, time to give birth to something new.
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THANK YOU for posting this. This is what corporations and the politicians they're in bed with do to Americans--they don't "provide jobs" and "make America great," they use people up and leave them without a pot to piss in, as the saying goes. Do people need jobs? Yes, of course! Continuing to milk an industry and its people for every. last. drop. is ridiculous, though. Introduce new ways to earn income (hello, obviously renewables) and get people on board with it. All you have to do is convince the elders and the local clergy, and the people will climb on the wagon from there. It isn't hard to do at all.
 
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