True Eye Clean Si2 - Need some input?

[ShinySearcher]

I have been searching for an amazing Round Brilliant and am hoping this is it. Would love some expert opinions. Cert pic below.

Its a $7900 GIA Excellent Cut 1.21CT (6.85mm) G, SI2, with VG symm, Ex Polish, No Fluor, and HCA score of 1.1 (X,X,X,VG). I have seen in person and it looks great especially outside in cloudy and sunlight. In the store its very sparkly and firey. I did notice after viewing it outside and then coming back inside it seems to be a little "dark", almost like it was hard to make out the geometry or each cut? Sorry if thats confusing but any input on that dark would be great?

Also as you can see form plot it has a fairly large feather (thus Si2) but I am very picky on this and I cannot locate it without loop. Under loop other than feather, which actually doesnt look too bad, the stone looks very clean. You can see very clear and distinct hearts and arrows under H&A loop thing.

They dont have capability for idealscope. Is this look like a winner? Is the VG symm something to worry about? Anything else you can point out would be greatly appreciated?

 

[treasurehunter]

Any Eye Clean SI2 is a winner in my opinion especially when you can put a jewellery setting on it to hide it even more so .
Proportions are the most important factor in light return , symmetry has an effect on the pattern of the facets but there is little evidence to show that it makes a noticeable difference to diamond beauty especially once set.

 

[hippi_pixi]

I'm not much help but i just wanted to point out that feather is a very nice term for a crack. You might want to confirm it's not surface reaching and possibly consider a protective setting

 

[silvar-surfer]

There's too little information for people to give you meaningful advice.

 

[ShinySearcher]

There's too little information for people to give you meaningful advice.

What other information would you need to provide more input?

Unfortunately the store doesn't do ideal-scopes but I trust this store very much. Other than the cert, all I have is HCA score 1.1, Hearts and Arrows look very clean and precise, clean under loop, shiny in all lights.

I have been working with them and searching for stones over the last 6 months and this is the best one yet. I was hoping for an F Si1 but to get to 1.2 CT or 6.8mm I had to drop down a little to keep it around 7500-8k. Its going into a fairly wide 4 prong Valina Setting with lots of channel set (almost pave looking) sides stones on band and ring.

The feather is long and understand its a crack but it doesnt reach surface. You think this could be an issue down the road? I was told that stones go through a lot worse in nature and then in cutting, more so than will ever happen when worn so a feather although a crack, shouldn't be a big issue other then unsightly, which this one isnt.

 

[TC1987]

Dark when it's outside in bright sun? Bright sun isn't the best light to view a diamond. Search old posts in this forum for why, but basically "they all do that" out in bright sunlight.

 

[Dreamer_D]

The darkness is normal for an ideally proportioned diamond in high spot lighting like a jewelery store.

You may want to have an independent trusted appraiser confirm that the feather is internal and poses no durability risk. But I have a similar feather in my own SI2 and I am not concerned. If the worse happened and it was damaged due to the feather (which my jeweler said was not a danger), I have it insured. Frankly, if the stone did not crack on the dop during cutting, then its probably fine.

Seems like a nice find, it passes all the rejection tests so far.

 

[kaoms352]

SOLUTION: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.124-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104064814004

This is a much cleaner SI1, and better light performance. With pricescope discount, you will be right at the same price.

 

[ShinySearcher]

SOLUTION: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.124-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104064814004

This is a much cleaner SI1, and better light performance. With pricescope discount, you will be right at the same price.

Wow,

Thank you, that actually looks great. I will consider this for sure. I havent been to Brian Gavins site before. Is this a reputable place. Do you all agree this is a better performer?

 

[ShinySearcher]

Dark when it's outside in bright sun? Bright sun isn't the best light to view a diamond. Search old posts in this forum for why, but basically "they all do that" out in bright sunlight.

Hi, It was actually very clean and shiny in sun and cloudy weather but inside the store it exhibited some darkness, almost as if it was hard to make out the shape/cuts because of all the fire and also some "darkness".

 

[heididdl]

That seems like a lot of money for an si2 stone that is not 3x

 

[ShinySearcher]

That seems like a lot of money for an si2 stone that is not 3x

That is what I originally thought also, but after viewing it next to several triple X similar stones, including SI1s, this one just looks better. I know it scored Very Good on symmetry but the numbers are not bad at all and very close to what would score GIA excellent.

I am also seriously considering this Brian Gavin Signature that was recommended but I dont no much about Brian Gavin stones. Any input is helpful. http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.124-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104064814004

There is also a very similar brian gavin but with very strong fluor that is 1000 dollars cheaper? http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.142-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104067973015

 

[justginger]

Brian Gavin is definitely a very reputable vendor, and one that has provided many PSers with gorgeous rings over the years. You don't have any worries in regards to his legitimacy.

 

[arkieb1]

The Brian Gavin Signature cuts are top performing stones it should be better than the one you have looked at. If you are O.K with a SI2 this one is also a much better cut (you could email and ask if it is eyeclean, but I am assuming that it is);

http://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/zj1kep

 

[treasurehunter]

Twinning lines are the best inclusion pattern for si2

 

[Karl_K]

Twinning lines are the best inclusion pattern for si2

Many si2 diamonds with twinning wisps have issues.
While at a glance many will appear eye clean they often have issues with the wisps blocking light return.
When looked at closely they will appear to be filled with glitter.
However there are some that do not show that effect but they all have to be carefully checked.

 

[ShinySearcher]

SOLUTION: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.124-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104064814004

This is a much cleaner SI1, and better light performance. With pricescope discount, you will be right at the same price.

Thank you again for this option. I am awaiting response from brian gavin site regarding the clarity of this stone. I am concerned there is a large dark crystal in middle of table that is eye visible and possibly reflected throughout the stone? It seems that way from the 3d rotating pic at following link? If folks could check that out and let me know what you think that would be great. I dont see it represented on the ASET, idealscope or any other image but I image the rotating 3d image is actual diamond and most accurate.

The other stone i am looking at (GIA X, VG, X) Si2, G, although an SI2 its perfectly eyeclean and the only inclusion is a feather which is not that bad.

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.124-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104064814004

 

[treasurehunter]

Ok thanks , any tips for that by checking the photograph of the stone

 

[kaoms352]

That seems like a lot of money for an si2 stone that is not 3x

That is what I originally thought also, but after viewing it next to several triple X similar stones, including SI1s, this one just looks better. I know it scored Very Good on symmetry but the numbers are not bad at all and very close to what would score GIA excellent.

I am also seriously considering this Brian Gavin Signature that was recommended but I dont no much about Brian Gavin stones. Any input is helpful. http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.124-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104064814004

There is also a very similar brian gavin but with very strong fluor that is 1000 dollars cheaper? http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.142-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104067973015

I just wired Brian Gavin $25,000 last month for my fiancé's ring. Their signature H&A and Blue diamonds are top performers in the industry and are a pleasure to work with. Be sure to ask for a pricescope discount. Dont be afraid to go to an H color because the better a diamond is cut, the less color will show.

Although the stone you are looking at is an eye clean SI2, the cut is not the best and would fall short of a H&A diamond.

 

[ShinySearcher]

That seems like a lot of money for an si2 stone that is not 3x

That is what I originally thought also, but after viewing it next to several triple X similar stones, including SI1s, this one just looks better. I know it scored Very Good on symmetry but the numbers are not bad at all and very close to what would score GIA excellent.

I am also seriously considering this Brian Gavin Signature that was recommended but I dont no much about Brian Gavin stones. Any input is helpful. http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.124-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104064814004

There is also a very similar brian gavin but with very strong fluor that is 1000 dollars cheaper? http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.142-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104067973015

I just wired Brian Gavin $25,000 last month for my fiancé's ring. Their signature H&A and Blue diamonds are top performers in the industry and are a pleasure to work with. Be sure to ask for a pricescope discount. Dont be afraid to go to an H color because the better a diamond is cut, the less color will show.

Although the stone you are looking at is an eye clean SI2, the cut is not the best and would fall short of a H&A diamond.

I am not sure why you say the 1.21 CT GIA stone is not a very great cut. Its a GIA Excellent Cut, Excellent Polish, Very Good Symmetry(6.85-6.89mm x 4.25), G, Si2 with HCA Excellent and below 2. It has 54% table, 61.8 depth, 33.5 crown ang, 41 pav ang. I looked at it under hearts and arrows scopes and it showed precise hearts and arrows, although its not marketed as one. Is there something I am missing? Is it the small 54 table, VG symm?

 

[kaoms352]

That seems like a lot of money for an si2 stone that is not 3x

That is what I originally thought also, but after viewing it next to several triple X similar stones, including SI1s, this one just looks better. I know it scored Very Good on symmetry but the numbers are not bad at all and very close to what would score GIA excellent.

I am also seriously considering this Brian Gavin Signature that was recommended but I dont no much about Brian Gavin stones. Any input is helpful. http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.124-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104064814004

There is also a very similar brian gavin but with very strong fluor that is 1000 dollars cheaper? http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.142-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104067973015

I just wired Brian Gavin $25,000 last month for my fiancé's ring. Their signature H&A and Blue diamonds are top performers in the industry and are a pleasure to work with. Be sure to ask for a pricescope discount. Dont be afraid to go to an H color because the better a diamond is cut, the less color will show.

Although the stone you are looking at is an eye clean SI2, the cut is not the best and would fall short of a H&A diamond.

I am not sure why you say the 1.21 CT GIA stone is not a very great cut. Its a GIA Excellent Cut, Excellent Polish, Very Good Symmetry(6.85-6.89mm x 4.25), G, Si2 with HCA Excellent and below 2. It has 54% table, 61.8 depth, 33.5 crown ang, 41 pav ang. I looked at it under hearts and arrows scopes and it showed precise hearts and arrows, although its not marketed as one. Is there something I am missing? Is it the small 54 table, VG symm?

Several reasons why I say this 1.21 carat is not a very good cut.

GIA excellent is a very broad range of performance, AGS 000 represents the very top of GIA excellent. GIA excellent means nothing to me.

Table is not bad at all, the other specs such as crown and pavilion are on the very edge and are only ok with perfect symmetry. Remember, the pavilion and crown angles are just the average of all the facets, and with "very good" symmetry, why would you risk your money?

Lower girdle halves of 80 are not the best, around 77 is better.

With symmetry not being the best, I would want to be smack in the middle of performance numbers, not on the edge.

If we have pointed out better diamonds for the same price why are you still looking at this diamond?

 

[JulieN]

Several reasons why I say this 1.21 carat is not a very good cut.

Not enough information. Numbers on the edge with GIA rounding can be great.

 

[ShinySearcher]

Several reasons why I say this 1.21 carat is not a very good cut.

Not enough information. Numbers on the edge with GIA rounding can be great.

Hi Julie, are you saying this is a good stone or agreeing with above poster?

 

[ShinySearcher]

That seems like a lot of money for an si2 stone that is not 3x

That is what I originally thought also, but after viewing it next to several triple X similar stones, including SI1s, this one just looks better. I know it scored Very Good on symmetry but the numbers are not bad at all and very close to what would score GIA excellent.

I am also seriously considering this Brian Gavin Signature that was recommended but I dont no much about Brian Gavin stones. Any input is helpful. http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.124-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104064814004

There is also a very similar brian gavin but with very strong fluor that is 1000 dollars cheaper? http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.142-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104067973015

I just wired Brian Gavin $25,000 last month for my fiancé's ring. Their signature H&A and Blue diamonds are top performers in the industry and are a pleasure to work with. Be sure to ask for a pricescope discount. Dont be afraid to go to an H color because the better a diamond is cut, the less color will show.

Although the stone you are looking at is an eye clean SI2, the cut is not the best and would fall short of a H&A diamond.

I am not sure why you say the 1.21 CT GIA stone is not a very great cut. Its a GIA Excellent Cut, Excellent Polish, Very Good Symmetry(6.85-6.89mm x 4.25), G, Si2 with HCA Excellent and below 2. It has 54% table, 61.8 depth, 33.5 crown ang, 41 pav ang. I looked at it under hearts and arrows scopes and it showed precise hearts and arrows, although its not marketed as one. Is there something I am missing? Is it the small 54 table, VG symm?

Several reasons why I say this 1.21 carat is not a very good cut.

GIA excellent is a very broad range of performance, AGS 000 represents the very top of GIA excellent. GIA excellent means nothing to me.

Table is not bad at all, the other specs such as crown and pavilion are on the very edge and are only ok with perfect symmetry. Remember, the pavilion and crown angles are just the average of all the facets, and with "very good" symmetry, why would you risk your money?

Lower girdle halves of 80 are not the best, around 77 is better.

With symmetry not being the best, I would want to be smack in the middle of performance numbers, not on the edge.

If we have pointed out better diamonds for the same price why are you still looking at this diamond?

Hi, I appreciate your input but I cant get over the fact that I have personally viewed this stone many time and feel it looks amazing. I am still looking at it because Its local and from a store I have been working with for months and they have been very helpful and nice. Because of my pickiness, I have spent too much time looking and am not running out of time. I need this set up within 2 weeks. The ring is local so thats not an issue. I am just skeptical on ordering online because I have also been told the stones I am looking at online are not that amazing. I dont have time to pay for online stone, receive it and if needed return and get money back so if I order online I have to stick with my first pick or a replacement from same company. What do you think of this BlueNile Signature?

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-signature-ideal-cut-f-color-si1-clarity_LD03493449?keyword_search_value=ld03493449

 

[kaoms352]

That seems like a lot of money for an si2 stone that is not 3x

I am just skeptical on ordering online because I have also been told the stones I am looking at online are not that amazing.

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-signature-ideal-cut-f-color-si1-clarity_LD03493449?keyword_search_value=ld03493449

Who told you that the salesman at the brick and mortar store? If you buy a H&A diamond like the one I suggested, you would be fine. Of course the diamond you are looking at looks great, have you ever compared it side by side to a H&A? You came here asking advice and we are giving it to you.

Blue nile signature falls short to Whiteflash ACA and Brian Gavin H&A.

 

[ShinySearcher]

Thank you and I really appreciate your input. you say WF ACA is better, here are the two Whiteflash A cut above I was considering?

First - Big feather concerns me? Which if these two are better?
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2972942.htm#

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3016682.htm

 

[kaoms352]

The second one.

 

[JulieN]

Hi Julie, are you saying this is a good stone or agreeing with above poster?

I'm saying it is impossible to be so nitpicky when there is not enough information. I'm sure it looks great.