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So after much shopping. I think I have my final three picks which happen to all be from the same place. All opinions are welcome. All of these are within my budget without pushing it. So the best diamond wins. Sorry but posting links on this computer isn''t working so you''ll have to copy and paste, but you can check out ASET and Idealscope for each of them once you get to their destination.

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Loose_Princess_Cut_Diamond/Loose_Princess_Cut_1_Carat_F_Color_VVS2_Clarity_diamond-276176.html

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Loose_Princess_Cut_Diamond/Loose_Princess_Cut_1.07_Carat_G_Color_VS1_Clarity_diamond-286578.html

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Loose_Princess_Cut_Diamond/Loose_Princess_Cut_0.97_Carat_F_Color_VVS2_Clarity_diamond-286579.html
 
Date: 1/15/2009 9:56:50 PM
Author:newbie19
So after much shopping. I think I have my final three picks which happen to all be from the same place. All opinions are welcome. All of these are within my budget without pushing it. So the best diamond wins. Sorry but posting links on this computer isn''t working so you''ll have to copy and paste, but you can check out ASET and Idealscope for each of them once you get to their destination.

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Loose_Princess_Cut_Diamond/Loose_Princess_Cut_1_Carat_F_Color_VVS2_Clarity_diamond-276176.html

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Loose_Princess_Cut_Diamond/Loose_Princess_Cut_1.07_Carat_G_Color_VS1_Clarity_diamond-286578.html

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Loose_Princess_Cut_Diamond/Loose_Princess_Cut_0.97_Carat_F_Color_VVS2_Clarity_diamond-286579.html
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Just had to fix those links for you!
 
Date: 1/15/2009 9:56:50 PM
Author:newbie19
So after much shopping. I think I have my final three picks which happen to all be from the same place. All opinions are welcome. All of these are within my budget without pushing it. So the best diamond wins. Sorry but posting links on this computer isn''t working so you''ll have to copy and paste, but you can check out ASET and Idealscope for each of them once you get to their destination.

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Loose_Princess_Cut_Diamond/Loose_Princess_Cut_1_Carat_F_Color_VVS2_Clarity_diamond-276176.html

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Loose_Princess_Cut_Diamond/Loose_Princess_Cut_1.07_Carat_G_Color_VS1_Clarity_diamond-286578.html

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Loose_Princess_Cut_Diamond/Loose_Princess_Cut_0.97_Carat_F_Color_VVS2_Clarity_diamond-286579.html
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I like the second one the most.
 
Hi newbie,

I'll be honest, after looking at the ASET pics, none of them are making me very happy. You want lots of red, followed by green, with a touch of blue. Here's a link explaining why.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/why-we-prefer-aset-to-ideal-scope-with-fancy-shapes.73949/





I couldn't find anything at Excel, but I did find a couple. In a very well cut stone, you can go a bit lower in color/clarity and still have a stunning stone.

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This looks much better, and I would bet it is eyeclean too. Jon can eyeball it for you. Bankwire is discount price. Great company to work with. And they have a large selection of settings as well.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/5179/


This one is listed at Winfield's for 4865.00, but there may be a discount, I'm not familiar with his policies. He is a great guy to work with!

http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/index.php?pid=63&lang=eng&sid%5B%5D=515&src=loupe
 
I have actually looked at those two diamonds before and considered them :
http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/index.php?pid=63&lang=eng&sid%5B%5D=515&src=loupe

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/5179/

The "good old gold" diamond I think I''m leaving out of my choices just becuause it''s SI1 and there are a lot of inclusions on it. I am willing to go down on color and clarity from what the 1.07 from excel happens to be (it just happens to be high on both), but I think I''m sticking with my parameters of D-H on color and IF-VS1 on clarity. The infinity diamond through winfields I like a lot actually but one thing really bugs me; The girdle is extra thin-thin and barely makes it into the thin range. With that said I''d rather have a fairly great looking excel diamond with thick girdle (the 1.07) than a great cut infinity that has such a small girdle that it chips over time and loses some of the light performance. I know Thick girdle isn''t the ideal choice as well but at least it won''t chip is my theory I guess. I did receive the Gemex Brilliancescope report on the 1.07 "excel" today and it comes out: Brilliance=High, Fire=Very High, and Scintillation=High. The results are not bad and not much below the infinity diamond results. I know the ASET and Idealscope on the excel isn''t as great as the infinity as well but I definitely don''t think they are bad looking and I still think the 1.07 is a pretty decent cut.

With everything above said. I guess I''m looking for anymore opinions. Like I''ve said I think the "infinity diamond" with the link above and the "excel 1.07 carat" ( http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Loose_Princess_Cut_Diamond/Loose_Princess_Cut_1.07_Carat_G_Color_VS1_Clarity_diamond-286578.htm)l

are my best picks for my budget. I just don''t want the infinity to break down on me. If enough people think it''s not an issue maybe I will get the infinity, but the excel seems like it''s not very far behind as far as cut/light refraction goes and everything I''ve read says stay away from too small of a girdle.
 
Any diamond can chip or break unfortunately, what I would do is to discuss the Infinity with Wink - I very much doubt there is a problem and if you like that diamond, Wink will be able to assess its suitability for you. The link to the Excel diamond isn't working for me at the moment.
 
The following was taken from Pricescope regarding Girdle Thickness and is what bugs me:

"If the girdle has Extremely Thin or Very Thin areas it is best not set them in exposed areas in rings; thin parts can be cleaved or chipped by a blow. These stones are OK in pendants and earrings, but there is still a very slight risk of a girdle chipping during setting.

Diamonds with Thick, Very Thick, or Extremely Thick girdles weigh considerably more, so the spread of a diamond is reduced. But thicker girdles have little impact on a diamond''s sparkle.

Be wary when selecting diamonds that have pointy ends with Extremely, Very Thin, or even Thin parts on the points because there is a high risk of damage during prong setting. The example in the photo shows a dangerously thin point on a Princess cut."

Lorilei, I get what your saying about any diamond can break but if people think what this article says tends to hold true then the excel is my pick and as far as contacting wink goes, I definitely can do that and I''m sure he''s a trusted vendor (as I''ve read so) but I kind of want people''s opinions in having really thin girdles and if it''s problematic or not instead of a vendor saying, "Oh yeah it won''t be a problem, buy my diamond."
 
Date: 1/17/2009 6:26:53 AM
Author: Lorelei
Any diamond can chip or break unfortunately, what I would do is to discuss the Infinity with Wink - I very much doubt there is a problem and if you like that diamond, Wink will be able to assess its suitability for you. The link to the Excel diamond isn't working for me at the moment.
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Ditto. And chipping is what insurance is for...

And Wink is a very honest man, he won't lie to you about a stone, he would rather you be happy even if it means buying from another vendor. That said I doubt he would stock a stone that he thinks is a risk...
 
Diamondseeker:
I do see a little more pink using ASET on the GOG $5,300 diamond but I don''t know about vastly better than the excel 1.07. The Gemex Brilliancescope reads right about the same on both, as well. It''s a better diamond, but my budget is around $5000 give or take for diamond and ring and I just don''t know if the GOG is really $600 dollars better and it''s $300 above my rough budget without a ring where I could get the infinity diamond or excel diamond and the type ring I''m looking for, for just above 5000. Thanks for the looking out. I have looked at that diamond many times before, but I think my choice still lies between the infinity and excel with my previous post problems (Girdle thickness) keeping me from a choice.

All folowers of this post:
I will follow the advice and give Wink a call on the infinity diamond to see how much of a problem the girdle might be. That will greatly help me make a choice but still not completely as I just need to prioritize. I know the infinity is a better cut and I''m all about quality, but my girlfriend whom is the receiver of this ring does not know much about diamonds and thru talking to her doesn''t seem like she would care if she received something lower grade than both of these choices. Also just this past night she told me she doesn''t really care about size but it would kinda be "cool" to have one bigger than 1 carat so that''s kinda making me lean towards the excel that I know the girdle will not be an issue. Even if I do end up with the excel I will be able to see it in person and if I really have issues with the light refraction I''ll return it in the proper return period and switch to the infinity.
 
So now I am am very much looking towards the infinity diamond through Winfield''s, as my girlfriend doesn''t care as much about size as I thought, but of course as stated above the very thin girdle (1.5-2.4)bugs me. I''ve got all the opinions from above about a thin girdle and I am calling Wink today to talk to him about the diamond and how delicate it is and if it would be fine.

I did however ask the opinion of a local appraiser who has been doing it for 30+yrs. and I gotta say his reply(see below) bothers me a bit both about this diamond (I will see if Wink has suggestions on great settings though that help not to damage the diamond) and about buying ONLINE (2nd paragraph)!I''ve been a looker on Pricescope now for a while and part of the forum now as well and everybody seems to be fine with e-diamonds and seems to say Wink and his staff are fantastic, which does put me at ease a bit, but still maybe you guys can ease me a little more or the contrary as this message did kind of make me think about buying online a bit.

Message:
"Diamonds with thinner girdles look bigger (the diamond is spread out more). Whether a diamond will chip during setting depends on the setting and the skill of the setter. Yes, diamonds with thinner girdles are at greater risk. No matter the thickness of the girdle, all come to a point at the corners. I see many more chipped corners than girdles on princess cuts. Any setting that is in contact with a corner is at risk of chipping. It is the nature of the cut. Corners are prone to damage during handling. Square diamonds are more difficult to handle with tweezers making them more easily dropped. In addition, people are incorrectly more likely to handle princess cuts by holding them by the corners.

Be very careful to examine all corners before buying. Personally I would not buy a princess cut diamond on line. I examine diamonds all the time for people who buy them online. This is what I do for a living. Examine jewelry. Believe me, if it arrives to you with damaged corners, you are stuck with it. It does not matter what they say their guarantees are or what power buyers think they have with their credit card company. I have already had one guy this year. Last year I had a guy that got stuck with TWO of them, as it he did not learn with the first one. The credit card company ignored his requests for action. Tough expensive lesson. The irony was he was trying to save money. In addition, it is my understanding that Federal law requires all jewelry stores to disclose treatments, synthetics etc. Not so with mail order, jewelry TV or internet purchases. All three are exempt. Be careful!

1.5% is getting pretty thin. Thinner girdles do come to sharper points at the corners. Once again it depends on the setting. It is better if the diamond is set in a channel and the corners are protected within the channel. Remember the risk to diamonds continues into everyday wearing. I have seen damage occur when the metal in contact with the diamond is hit and the shock is transferred to the diamond.

Check your insurance policy. Some insurers will insure against damage. It is always best to take a ring off when the wearer''s activities might damage the diamond.

Diamonds are the hardest substance. It is the main reason they are used as lifetime symbols of romance. Without sounding like the commercials, clinically, nothing else will last as long as a symbol of romance. Jade is the most resistant to chipping, but is scratches more easily."
 
Your appraiser might be right IN GENERAL, but you have nothing to worry about with Wink. I''m one of Wink''s many happy customers. He is completely honest. He will not send you a damaged diamond, and he will go above and beyond to honor his return policies or make things right in the unlikely event that there''s a mistake. That''s just who he is as a person: a man with integrity.

The diamond will be beautiful, and if it isn''t or if your appraiser thinks the girdle is dangerously thin, you can send it back.
 
Yes, you don''t have to worry when buying from Wink or Good Old Gold. That is totally different that buying from some drop shipper. I totally understand that the GOG stone is above your budget. But I will tell you that the cut and face-up appearance of the Infinity and the GOG stone is better than the ones from Excel.
 
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