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Ah Lizzie, that is heartbreaking. Nobody should have to experience that. You are a very strong woman to go through all that you have been through and still maintain a positive outlook. Be kind to yourself this weekend and give yourself a chance to grieve your loss. I liked what you said the other day about not rushing perfection. The perfect addition to your family is just waiting for the right time to make his or her appearance, and you will be an even better mother after everything you have been through to have your babies.
 
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My heart just aches for you, Lizzy. I can't imagine what you're going through, but I am rooting for you all the way. I have to believe that this difficult path will lead to another gorgeous child in your arms. Hang in there, and know that we're here, no matter what TMI stuff you throw our way. I feel like there's pretty much no such thing in this thread where we talk about our bodies in such detail.

As many hugs and thoughts as possible are headed virtually to you from me.
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NE, thank you. You are always so kind. It was an overwhelming feeling in the shower and I just broke down. I think I've been staying strong thru everything but I just needed to have a good cry and grieve for a moment. I was very emotional all day yesterday, but today so far so good.

LC, thank you. I am so lucky to have you guys. I don't think I would have been able to share that moment I had on Friday with many people because it was very detailed. I appreciate you guys listening and understanding.

Monkey, you are so right. Even though going thru these m/c's are just terrible, they really do give me such an appreciation for my little man that I have. I take nothing for granted and enjoy every moment. Sometimes bumps in the road give you different outlook on things which I am glad to have even thru the craziness.

Katy, thanks for the virtual hug! Big hugs back to you as well. I just want to move on now and put this past me. This was the worse of the m/c's that I have experienced and I am just praying that the future will bring a healthy baby real soon!

BB, any news? Thinking of you today.

AFM, yesterday was an emotional day. I was crying at the drop of a hat. Today I feel better. The bleeding is back to just a lighter brown, so I am hoping the worst is over. I go for more blood work on Monday, so hopefully the level will be back down and closer to 0. I feel really really bloated, so I have been trying to drink a ton of water. However, I treated myself to a Coca Cola Classic today (not diet either!!!). I stopped drinking caffeine back in November. And I was craving a soda (I was never a coffee drinker), so I went all out and picked up a Coke at McDonald's. Can't go wrong with a fountain soda!!! I figure I deserved it!!!
 
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Lizzy, darlin', I'm glad you're having a better day today. You're such a strong woman, you're going to get through this. HUGS HUGS HUGS my friend!!! We''re here for you!!!

BB, I hope you got some news yesterday. Keep us posted.

Today's Easter and DH's birthday. I got him a fancy new suitcase from REI. He'll like it, I think. I also bought a bunch of chocolates to make him an Easter basket. He LOVES chocolate. :)

No O yet. I talked to my husband, i told him I'm getting discouraged, like I don't know if this will happen and that we have like no control over anything. I was like, "Well, my cycles are so long now and the less times we have to try. And just that nothing's really happening 'like it's supposed to.'" Like that means anything :(sad He said that I can't stress about it, it'll happen. So much easier said than done.
 
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Lizzy, I am so sorry that you are having to go through this. My heart just aches for you! I wish there was something more that I could do than just offer words of comfort and big hugs!


LC: Keep your chin up. Try not to think about it all the time, you will drive yourself crazy. Keeping my fingers crossed for you.
 
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I got another blood test today and my beta went from 366 to 1380 and my progesterone went down from 11 to 9. The RE called to say that he doesn't think that I have a risk of an eptopic b/c in those cases the betas don't rise normally like mine have been. However, he is very worried about my progesterone levels (I don't know why this is the first that anyone has expressed concern about it). It should be be at least 20. He have me a progesterone prescription and said that it may or may not help sustain the pregnancy. I have to go back in tomorrow for more blood tests. If my levels rise than I will still be pregnant for the meantime and if they fall I will most likely miscarry. If they stay the same then we need to start worrying about an eptopic again. So once again no real answers.
 
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Lizzy - I am so sorry for what you have been through, especially in the last few days. I am glad you are having a better day today and I totally think you deserve more than just a soda. Hugs for you. I really think that at the end of this painful journey, you will have another happy, healthy child in your arms.

BB - I hate that you still have no answers. I am hoping that you have a sticky bean in there and that the progesterone prescription helps your numbers. It's frustrating that this is the first you've heard of them being concerned. I am thinking sticky positive thoughts for you.

LC - try not to get too discouraged. I know it must be hard to have an unpredictable and long cycle, but don't lose that positive attitude that we all love so much!

For the other lovely ladies out there, I hope you had wonderful weekends!
 
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Lizzy, you absolutely deserve a Coca-cola! In fact, I'd say you deserve a few! I hope the bleeding continued to subside over the weekend and that you're starting this week of feeling better. I've been thinking of you!

BB, I'm so sorry you're still in limbo with all of this. I was really encouraged to read your beta figures, but the fact that you still have no answers is so frustrating. I so much want this bean to stick and am really keeping my fingers crossed that the progesterone works and that your betas continue to rise. I hate that you have to worry :(

LC, I'm sorry you're discouraged, too. I know you must be really frustrated with these really long cycles--especially this one since there is no indication of O yet...plus, this is your first month of really trying. I can definitely relate to that--I just want for you to be able to have a normal cycle and know when you're Oing.

AFM, I had a discouraging weekend as well. D and I had planned a date night on Friday, but we both got stuck working long hours on Friday and then got into a little tiff about something really minor (probably from both of us being tired) and didn't BD. I didn't feel so great on Saturday, then Sunday I started spotting. And my temps have been over 98 since Friday. Fertility Friend has me ovulating on Thursday, but I don't know what to think since I've never ovulated that early and this spotting has me confused since I've never spotted when I ovulated before. I have no idea what is happening to me this cycle, but I feel like I've missed my window. I just want a cycle do-over.
 
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LC, thank you dear. Sorry you still have no news on O. I can't remember if you are seeing an RE or not but is their any way that they could speed up your cycles? Meaning, initiating AF to come earlier so that you can start another cycle? I don't even know if that would do the trick or if that is even something you'd be interested in or not, but you never know. How did your DH like his birthday suitcase?

BB, I hate this no answers phase. I've lived it so I know it sucks. Your betas seem great to me! The progesterone being low is definitely a concern though, however it is great that they started you on progesterone as a supplement. Are you doing suppositories or injections? The fact that they are starting you on a progesterone supplement should be encouraging for you. If they did not feel there was a chance that this pregnancy was going to last, they would not have had you start using a supplement. In my case, they actually told me to stop using it because I had no chance. So to me, that should be encouraging for you. I will tell you that my progesterone 7 days post ovulation was a 17, but I had been using the suppositories for a week at that point. Did they tell you what was a healthy progesterone level at this point in your pregnancy? Also, are they going to have you come in for another ultrasound now that your betas are over 1000? Crossing every finger and toe for you for this bean to stick!!!!!

Brown eyes, thank you for the encouraging words. I am hopeful for a new beginning this cycle.

NEL, I am feeling a lot better. The m/c is winding down now. I went in for blood work this morning so I should be finding out soon what my new beta is. Sorry you feel that you may have missed your window this cycle. If you potentially O'd on Thursday, did you guys BD on Thursday or even Wednesday? If so, then you aren't out yet.

AFM, feeling better. Bleeding is really light now. We had a good Easter visiting family. I was able to enjoy a cocktail and some Easter candy which was nice. My DS turned two yesterday on Easter so that was a fun! So he had a birthday cake along with an Easter egg hunt at my Grandmother's house! I went for blood work this morning so I am waiting to hear back on where my betas are at now? I'll keep you all posted. I hope you all had a great weekend!
 
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I just got done with the RE for the day. My beta came back at 3514 and my progesterone shot up to 30. They called me back and did an u/s and there was a visible sac! They want me to come back on Friday for another u/s to try and see a heartbeat.

Lizzy: I am using the vaginal progesterone cream since my RE says that it has the best absorption rate and it won't be visible in my blood. That way they can still look at my levels using blood tests and see what my body is actually doing. The RE isn't sure why my progesterone shot up so dramatically in two days so he wants me to keep using the cream just in case. He needs my numbers to stay above 20 at this point.

I am not sure that I can be excited just yet b/c I still feel worried, I suppose I can relax if we get a good strong heartbeat on Friday.
 
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BB, yay yay yay yay yay!!!!!!!!!! Lots of dust coming your way for continued good news!
 
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BB - I am taking that as very good news!! I'm excited for you and sending sticky bean dust your way! I know you are scared because you have had so much uncertainty, but I will be thinking of you and your little bean all week and waiting to hear about the strong heartbeat on Friday!

Lizzy - I'm glad you had a good weekend and that the worst is behind you. I'm hoping that your betas bottom out quickly so you can get the green light to try again when you're ready.

NEL - If I remember correctly we started our cycles at the same time so you're at CD20. If you did miss your window this month, the good news is that your cycles are shortening again. I'm confused by the spotting yesterday... are you still spotting today? Also, you said you werent feeling well... could this be the cause of your temps shifting upwards??

AFM - I'm 6DPO today and just trying to keep my mind off of it. If I have the same LP as last month, I expect AF to be joining me on Wednesday of next week. Unless I start to develop undeniable symptoms, I will try to wait until then to test. We'll see how patient I am...
 
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BB, OMG that's great!!! I'm sending you a lot of sticky dust. I hope you get a good "close up" this week. Hope the supplement progestrone is helping!!!!! I'm keeping everything crossed just for you and your DH

Lizzy, your little man and my DH have the same birthdays! Aw!!!! I'm glad you had a good Easter weekend. Easter egg hunts, birthdays and family = warm fuzzies in my heart for you. DH liked his suitcase. Wonder if we'll be able to go somewhere fun now.

NEL, OMG I feel I want a cycle do-over too!!! I guess that's what AF is, so there's always something good in that. I'm sorry your weekend was stressful. But you and your DH sound like you're really good with shaking off a bad day and starting over again. From this thread, it seems like you guys are a really positive couple. Also I wouldn't put too much stock in the FF O dates. Especially if this your first cycle charting.

And thanks all you ladies for the encouragement. I'm still getting no O signs. and my temp dropped WAAAY down to almost a full degree. BUT no spotting, no AF. I'm just confused. I'm going to stop the OPKs, I think they were causing me more anxiety than helping. DH and I are going to ease off our BD marathon too. Now just when the mood strikes us. But who knows, now that we're BDing more often, maybe my DH will expect this is now par for the course. I'm not going to tell him otherwise, I'm liking the action :naughty:

~LC
 
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Lizzy, I'm so glad you're feeling a little better--it sounds like you had a nice Easter! D and I didn't BD on Wed or Thurs., unfortunately. I knew our date night was coming up and wasn't really expecting to ovulate anytime soon, so I just waited it out. If I'd known, I definitely would have stopped talking about my cervix so much, haha.

BB, this is fantastic news! I completely understand your desire to be cautiously optimistic, but I'm really excited by your increasing betas and progesterone levels. Friday can't come fast enough!

Brown_eyes, you're right that if I did O, it would be good news because it would mean my cycle is shorter again. I'm trying to focus on that as the silver lining this month :) I had slight spotting this morning, but that was it. So maybe I just happened to have some O spotting this month. I'm excited that you're 6dpo--I'm hoping the next week flies by!

LC, very interesting that your temp dropped so much. I wonder if AF may show up tomorrow...I don't know which would be better--if you still haven't Oed (since that means you still have a chance this cycle) or if you missed your O and AF shows up (since that would mean you had a shorter cycle). I feel like we're in the same boat right now--I'm really sad if I missed my O, but if I did, then I'm just happy my cycles are shorter.

AFM, I ordered some Wondfo strips. As much as I wanted this cycle to just be fun, I'd rather know when I'm Oing, haha. I'm going to keep charting, but next cycle I'm going to chart and do OPKs.
 
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Just popping in...my beta is down to 3. They want me to have one more blood test next Monday, but so far so good that I am on my way to the next cycle.
 
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lizzyann01|1303766046|2904788 said:
Just popping in...my beta is down to 3. They want me to have one more blood test next Monday, but so far so good that I am on my way to the next cycle.

I am sorry that this wasn't the outcome that you wanted, but I am glad that you are looking forward to the next cycle.
 
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Lizzy, so glad that the cycle is officially coming to a close so you can get going on the next one!

BB, such exciting news! I understand the need to be cautious, but it looks good so far and all my fingers and toes are crossed super tightly! Sticky dust cloud headed your way from me =)

LC, can't believe that O is being so stubborn. :knockout: Hopefully it'll happen soon! And those long cycles aren't for naught... I wish I had an excuse to get my DH used to frequent naughty time. Unfortunately I have the stronger libido in our relationship but I feel guilty dragging him to bed all the time :sick:

NEL, I agree with everyone else- please start a blog!!! Your stories are too funny. When I read about you asking your DH to help you find your cervix I about died laughing!! Ahahaha. Sorry your cycle is being unpredictable too, that's got to be so frustrating!

brown eyes... I hope this is your cycle!!! ...and that it kicks off a wave of BFPs for this here group. Although with things looking so good for BB, maybe the drought is over!

AFM, it's CD8. Only about a week til prime time! Time really has seemed to fly lately, which I'm grateful for. My mom will be here in only a month to help with all the house stuff and spend time with me, and I just cannot wait!! She's in the process of refinishing my great grandmother's table and a 4 or 5 drawer chest for my dining room - we currently have a glass/wrought iron monstrosity that is cute but way too big for our little space. The table seats four easily but has leaves so can seat up to 10!! and the high boy will go between our two wine towers and hold the nice silverware and linens, so I'm pretty excited!

In addition, I'm hoping for a raise at work very soon (the HR rep will be fighting that battle FOR me because I am definitively underpaid, which I suspected but didn't KNOW) and am headed for a promotion within 6 months or so. Well, hopefully, it depends on a major corporate deal that is supposed to go through, but we all know how these things can fall apart or happen in an instant. It should be an interesting few months with or without a pregnancy!
 
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LC: I am sorry that O is causing you such stress this month. I hope you get a + OPK soon so you can get BDing.

BE: I am sending you sticky dust, I hope this is your cycle. When can you test?

Katy: Good luck this cycle. It sounds like you have a lot of positive things happening for you in the next while, I hope you get your raise and have fun with your mom!
 
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Hey ladies!!!

Brown, we'll try to keep you distracted, your week will fly by quickly I'm sure!

Lizzy, hope you're feeling OK my friend. Sounds like you're on your way to your next cycle.

NEL, yeah really interesting I had such a low temp. I took it like 4 times to see if it was a fluke. I did wake up a few times, but didn't get up, during the night so maybe that had something to do with it? DH's snoring woke me up. Maybe mine too. DH lovingly share with me his chest cold, so I've been totally congested. I"m shocked I haven't bumped it yet, I'm always good with kicking a bug quickly...

Katy, your table sounds awesome. So nice your mom will be there to hang out with you. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you! NEL I'm the one with the stronger libido, too. Oh and no one says you have to drag him to bed. :naughty:

That's about it for me. Hope all you other ladies are doing well.

~LC
 
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Lizzy, I'm glad your betas dropped so much, hopefully it's a good sign that you can try again this cycle (if you want, of course).

Katy, you have some very positive things happening!! The timing of the raise/promotion sounds good! I was sort of waiting for my promotion as the final "green light" for TTC (because I was afraid it might not happen), but then when it happened, I wished I was already pregnant, haha. And the new dining table and chest sounds AMAZING. I have a real soft spot for antique furniture, especially dining furniture. Please post some pics when it's done!

LC, how are you feeling today? Was your temp low again?

AFM, my temp was still high today, so at this point I know I ovulated. I was admittedly a little sad and pouty last night because this month is a wash and told D that it's all fun and games until I don't end up pregnant. I think his response was something along the lines of "uh oh". Oh yes, the man better save his energy because next month he's going to be exhausted.
 
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Lizzy – that is great news!

NEL – I hope that charting and using OPK’s gives you some insight. Hopefully the OPKs will also help you interpret your chart.

Katy – sounds like you have a lot of things to look forward too! That’s great!!

LC – I hope things get clearer for you soon.

NEL – since it looks like you did O, it’s also looking like your cycle is shortening back to 30ish days! That is great news for you!

BB – still sending positive thoughts your way! Trying to hold out on testing for another week. I will only test early if I have definite symptoms.

AFM – nothing new to report, just 7DPO. I have a pretty busy week, so that will help time fly by. DH and I will be out of town again this weekend and we’ve got dinners and celebrations every night until then. Plus, I think I’ll be taking the day off on Friday to watch the royal wedding :cheeky:
 
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NEL, that's too bad your O sneaked up on you your first month of trying. You just never know, you may have had some lingering swimmers, but if not, it is at least encouraging that your cycle wasn't as long this time. I know that OPKs make things less spontaneous and romantic, but they do give you peace of mind that you are not going to miss your window.

LC, that darn cycle of yours. I'm sorry you're feeling frustrated right now. Is your temp still down? Maybe NEL is right that AF is on the way or maybe you're about to ovulate. That can cause the temperature to go down too. Either way, I hope you get some clarity soon and your cycles start to regulate.

BB, praying for you and your little miracle! The signs are looking good.

Lizzy, that's great that your betas have dropped way down. I hope you are staying strong after your rough couple of weeks. And happy belated birthday to your little man!

Katy, good luck at work. I hope you get your raise! It's nice that somebody else other than you is pushing for it. Hopefully, you will have some news to share with your mom by the time she gets here! Hard to believe you will already be trying again in a week!

Brown, hope things are going well for you and that you are staying busy with other things. One week is not that long to wait, and it will be here before you know it. I'm really pulling for you!

AFM, I'm on CD5, so nothing too exciting going on in the baby-making front. I'm back from a nice long weekend away and time with my family. My mom and sisters asked about when we are thinking of trying for a baby, and it was hard not to tell them we already have. I just want to keep it to ourselves and hopefully wait to tell them when there actually is a baby to talk about. Hope you all have a nice day.
 
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Nel Did you happen to notice any CF that corresponded with your suspected O day?

Lizzy Well, that is "good" news about your betas. And I'm sorry the start of your flow was so difficult this time :blackeye:

Blackberry Wonderful news! Happy and health 9 months to you, my dear!
 
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DD, I did notice a bit on Friday/Saturday. Not EWCM, but more watery than usual. It's good for me to know what my fertile CM looks like since it's not EWCM. Also, I did notice an increase in my libido, but I thought it was just do to the fact that we hadn't BDed in several days. If I'd been using OPKs, I would have put two and two together, but since I was just charting and didn't expect to O at all, I ignored the clues. Hindsight is 20/20. Darn it.
 
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NewEnglandLady|1303829394|2905311 said:
DD, I did notice a bit on Friday/Saturday. Not EWCM, but more watery than usual. It's good for me to know what my fertile CM looks like since it's not EWCM. Also, I did notice an increase in my libido, but I thought it was just do to the fact that we hadn't BDed in several days. If I'd been using OPKs, I would have put two and two together, but since I was just charting and didn't expect to O at all, I ignored the clues. Hindsight is 20/20. Darn it.

Well, this cycle was shorter AND now you know what your fertile CF looks like! (might have been some EW inside, can't always tell anyways). So next cycle you will be armed and dangerous.

Can you post your chart though? If FF has you ovulating on Thurs then the fertile CF should have been noticable on Tues-Thurs, not post-O on Saturday... I am curious to see the actual chart.
 
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I marked on my own calendar that I ovulated Friday--I think FF is a day off. Still, I didn't spot until Sunday, so who knows.

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Hey ladies,

My temps went down again yesterday, first htey were reading 96F. What the heck??? So I did the DD suggestion and temp'd vaginally, it was... um, interesting. DH was in the shower but I kept everything under the covers. He would've been like, "Uh.... what are you doing." Not quite sure how I'd answer that. Anyway, so it's back down to .9 degrees from my temp 2 days ago. I dunno maybe it was a fever or what. I don't feel like I've got AF on the way. I don't get crampy etc, just way bloated.

NEL, Bummer you missed O'ing but you have one cycle under your belt about your other O signs, not just OPKs so you should be in good shape next go-round. Tell D to WATCH OUT!!!

Monkey, know what you mean, I mention it in passing to my sis, but she's not really that interestsed. My friend whose son was born in Jan is like, "LC looks good holding a baby!" I guess she wants copmany in the Mommy Camp. I always hear her and think to my self, "We're trying... ;)) "

Brown, Wow! You've got a busy week planned. Hooray for day offs! I keep loosing track when the Royal Wedding is. I dunno if I'd ever be down for all that attention. I like living my life.
 
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NEL, whoa, your chart is a little crazy :) I'm a complete novice, but is it possible you actually ovulated earlier like on Monday or Tuesday of last week and then had a fallback rise in your temps before it went back up again on Friday? And your spotting was really implantation spotting? Like I said, I'm no expert, so maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part. Hopefully Dreamer or someone else with more charting experience can help you figure out when you O'd.

LC, sorry your temperatures are continuing to confuse you. Maybe they are just stabilizing because estrogen is at its highest and O is on the way! I hope so.

I have a funny thermometer story. I was taking my temperature the other day, and my husband walked by and picked up the directions that came with the thermometer. While I had the thermometer in my mouth, he pretended to read the directions and said "Hmm, refurbished rectal thermometer." I about died laughing, and of course did not get a good read on my temp that morning. He's such a stinker. The directions really did say, "If you take your temperature rectally, do not use the thermometer in your mouth." As if they really needed to tell me that! Yuck.
 
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BB: Congratulations! I know it's tough not to worry, but you are over this hump and are def pregnant! Worry and pregnancy go hand in hand so it's all part of the ride! I think you might have o'd late or implanted late which would explain everything. Keep us posted on the hb!

Lizzy: I'm so sorry things turned out the way they did, but it is good news your beta is down and onto a fresh start and new cycle. If you decide to take a month off it would be totally understandable, but it is nice knowing it's up to you!

LC: I hope your cycles level out soon or that AF comes so you can start again! You never know, you could have hit O during your bd marathon and those OPK's were duds!

NEL: I think OPK's are a great idea - I personally don't see how knowing less can make one less stressed --the OPK can help shed light since FF and temping is only one piece of the puzzle, and if they are out of whack, you're left with nothing but ??'s. I have a feeling you're a need to know kind of person (like me ;)), so the OPK's are another tool to help! And your chart is one crazy chart - have you been temping the same time every day? Is your room more or lesss the same temperature or are you by a window or anything? I notice the clear circles on most days, I can't remember if that meant the times were more than 1/2 hr off or if it just means your temp change is large. If you happen to temp at different times, there are tools on the net to help convert. In any case you never know, you could had success this cycle still and either way the first cycle is not a cycle lost. It's really more a fact finding mission so you can build on how to read your cycle's patterns. It often takes 2 or 3 before it's clear! Can't wait to hear DD's interp of your chart, she's the pro!
 
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NewEnglandLady|1303834449|2905394 said:
I marked on my own calendar that I ovulated Friday--I think FF is a day off. Still, I didn't spot until Sunday, so who knows.

OK so I think it is crystal clear that you DID ovulate. That's good news! And, from your chart you can now know that your post-O temps tend to fall in the 98 deg plus range. That is also really good news to know, since it is helpful to know your typical pre- and post-O ranges of temps. Most womens ranges will be fairly stable accross cycles, assuming that you use the same thermometer each month ;)) So in future you will know when you get over the 98 deg mark and start there you have ovulated.

Your chart is actually not all that wackadoo. The pattern only becomes clear when the whole month is present, and once you have more post-O temps input the bi-phasic pattern will be more obvious I think. Pre-O temps tend to be al over the place right after AF, then they drop and stabalize at a lower lever as estrogen rises, and are often stable post-O as progesterone takes over. Your chart shows this type of pattern.

As for *when* you ovulated I think it is anyone's guess :cheeky: I think it is somewhere between CD 12 and CD 16. But it looks like you did not take your temp at the same time, or were ill, or had another disturbance given all the open circles. So I think you chart is not specific enough to judge the actual O day. IF you knew your usual LP length, then you would be able to look back at the end of the cycle and coutn back to know for sure when you ovulated. But since you don't know your usual LP (right?) and you don't have other evidence to help narrow the window for ovulation (no CF, no OPKs) then I think you can't really know when it was. The most likely days are CD 13 (if we use the rule of thumb to exclude CD 15 and 16) or CD 16 (if we use the rule of thumb to exclude CD 14, which is what FF did).

Given this, I would not input the watery CF you noticed as CF at all. It was something else. It is not uncommon to have a little extra CF in the LP. There is a secondary surge in estrogen during the LP, which causes things like spotting, "implantation dips" and seemingly-fertile CF.

So, time will tell! But since you don't get reliable CF assessments at present, I would add OPKs to help narrow the estimate for ovulation in future cycles!
 
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