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The entire CDC Vaccine Advisory Panel has been fired.
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I saw that. Another "mis-statement" during confirmation hearings. I guess we are supposed to go to a lawyer for our medical advice now.
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He already said American’s shouldn’t be taking medical advice from him.
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yeah, so maybe he should quit his day job.
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It's frustrating to think that the new members might not have the scientific or medical background you'd expect or hope for in such a role.
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So they aren't worried about terrorism anymore? I see he he also interned for The Heritage Foundation.
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Association with The Heritage Foundation is a requirement for jobs now. Project 2025 is the policy manual.
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Yes, I agree. There is a website called something like Project 2025 Tracker. They state the goals, which have been accomplished, which are in process and which haven't been started yet. It's pretty disturbing.
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It’s more than frustrating. It’s putting all of our health at risk. They don’t care.
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not surprised at that.
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I think what it means for society is very much well on some of the ‘their’ ‘s radar.
Part of the purpose and means.
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Who are the prominent vaccine skeptics? My understanding is that none of the eight are against childhood vaccines or vaccines in general. I think one who has research experience with mRNA technology is an mRNA vaccine critic because it is a novel technique that has never had placebo clinical trials or trials for safety of the mRNA technique, itself.
Prior to COVID vaccine development the Adenoviral vector vaccine was also never proven safe, it too is novel. Clinical trial testing adenoviral vector vaccination (two HIV Trials) proved it to be negatively effective. Just in case it looks like I’m anti science, the large clinical trial on the efficacy of monoclonal antibodies, also a novel treatment, proved they were actually fairly safe and quite effective. The new RSV “vaccine” for infants is based on that monoclonal antibody technology.
We are right to be skeptical of the mRNA platform and the adenoviral vector technology to combat infectious viruses.
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Do you have documentation of this? I just googled, and a bunch of scientific journals came up with with placebo trials.
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@Light Bright, There are stories out by credible news sources regarding this story. To talk more about this may be breaking PS rules. I’m not willing to risk getting banned.
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I found some too. The first one that came up for me was in the New England Journal of Medicine published in Sept. 2021.
At interim analysis in a phase 3, observer-blinded, placebo-controlled clinical trial, the mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy in preventing coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19).
So I'm confused why it would be said there have been no placebo controlled studies.
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Unfortunately that’s what happens when people “do their own research” from discredited YouTube “scientists” or folks with brain worms.
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How about you worry about yourself and not what other people think and do with their bodies.
My body my choice, riiiight?
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Sure, you do you, absolutely. But there is no need to spread false information (at best) or straight up lies (at worst) while doing it. That's also why I asked for clarification, because I found multiple sources that were contrary.
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I am glad we can agree on this.
I am all for the truth but would not bet my life on a study, new things are discovered every day and what we don't know now can hurt us tomorrow.
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It’s a good question, so I’d like to hear about your multiple sources with evidence that any of the clinical trials were adequate to mandate for work and preschool onwards, or pressure pregnant people into taking an experimental “novel” technology using a novel antigen. Please tell us why you think the clinical trials were adequate to do that.
From what I’m reading in NEJM:
The trial published in NEJM was not powered adequately to uncover adverse event risks, duration of efficacy and actual benefits. A cost benefit analysis was not possible.
The trial excluded younger children under 12 and pregnant women, people on immunosuppressant drugs and those with autoimmune disease (who are more likely to have a vaccine adverse event).
The trial I found of about 40,000 people total had almost half of participants over 55, and more than 30% obese. So the trial was designed to over represent recipients that had a lower immune response to the mRNA vaccine technology, who might have adverse events that looked natural/unrelated like a stroke or heart attack, and that had a greater risk from COVID disease.
They did not sample enough people who had a lower risk from the disease and higher risk from the vaccine. There were only 14,000 people age 16-64 who got the vaccine in the trial (roughly 14,000 placebo). But, Israel and Taiwan eventually discovered a myocarditis signal when they looked at their National health data that included thousands of younger people. Israel found myocarditis in something like 1 in 15,000 age 16-19 males. Taiwan found 1.5 in 10,000 after two doses in young men age 16-19.
How many 16-19 year old males did the clinical trials study? Maybe you can find that for us. There are 19 million college kids and many more under 18 in schools in the USA who were mandated to get these vaccines because of the Emergency Use approval based on this trial.
The trial’s endpoint was “Coronavirus disease” that produced antibodies. No symptoms necessary, just measurable antibodies. For severe outcomes (not death) there was only one person in the fully vaccinated group (after two doses) and 4 in the unvaccinated group. This is out of 40,000 people. Only five serious cases, no deaths.
They also vaccinated the placebo arm after two months, before their stated endpoint which was two years. Dr. Akiko Iwasaki at Yale found a segment of recipients got chronic illness from the vaccines. Many of those people developed chronic disease more than two months after vaccination. The vaccination-induced antibodies started to wane after two months, so the vaccination of the placebo arm obscured that fact: eg. that mRNA vaccines need to be repeatedly injected every 6 months to be very effective.
They also changed to a different formula and manufacturing method after the clinical trial was published and used to approve the product. Millions of recipients received a formula Process 2 that did not have a clinical trial.
At best, I think the trials of Process One were under-powered and too short of a duration. And they excluded Process 2.
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You had said there were no placebo clinical trials. I think saying there were never any, vs. saying what you think is adequate or not, are two different things.
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OK, please show me the prior placebo trials for the mRNA vaccine technology in humans. There are none.
AFAIK the first human clinical trial was when they did the mRNA vaccine with a modified Alpha spike antigen coding.
This is the first time mRNA was ever tested in humans for “vaccination”.
Maybe I should say, the trial that they launched was the first time testing this mRNA technology in humans as protection against infectious disease. And it cannot be called an adequate placebo trial because of everything I mention above.
Including inadequate sample size, inadequate duration of the study, and yes, the Process 2 that we all got was never tested at all.
And yes they vaccinated the placebo arm two months in, not two years after. This broke the stated protocol.
My belief is that this does not look robust enough for a novel technology and the Advisory Panel went along with this. So IMO, someone who questions this might still be qualified to be appointed to the Advisory Panel.
AFAIK the first human clinical trial was when they did the mRNA vaccine with a modified Alpha spike antigen coding.
This is the first time mRNA was ever tested in humans for “vaccination”.
Maybe I should say, the trial that they launched was the first time testing this mRNA technology in humans as protection against infectious disease. And it cannot be called an adequate placebo trial because of everything I mention above.
Including inadequate sample size, inadequate duration of the study, and yes, the Process 2 that we all got was never tested at all.
And yes they vaccinated the placebo arm two months in, not two years after. This broke the stated protocol.
My belief is that this does not look robust enough for a novel technology and the Advisory Panel went along with this. So IMO, someone who questions this might still be qualified to be appointed to the Advisory Panel.
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So you’re moving the goal posts. Just don’t post fake news and no one will GAF. But saying there were no placebo trials is, factually, false. Spreading these kind of lies is extremely dangerous and damaging. I urge you to stop, and consider what you post going forward. Your feelings against vaccines do not make facts.
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No vax in the history of all vaxxes combined left so many disabled as this one. People became paralysed, got heart disease (some died) lost limbs because of clots, got long covid-like disease and we don't actually know the long term effects, or maybe they are starting to show up....
do you know what moving the goal post was back in 2021?
this:
it's not a lab leak, it's natural
it's only two weeks (lockdown) to curb the spread
get the vax works against transmission (protect your grandma)
if 70% get vaxxed it will stop the spread
the vaxxed can't spread the virus
masks work
all LIES of course
There are video interviews of CEO and higher ups in these companies that made some of the vaxxes and they are being asked if they took it, go see what they said.
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There are always side effects of any drug treatment, that is well known. In this case the risk of side effects is maybe 2 or 3 per million. Compare with a risk of death from covid likely above 1%.
The whole point of vaccine programmes is to protect the population as a whole. Herd immunity, anyone?
The whole point of vaccine programmes is to protect the population as a whole. Herd immunity, anyone?
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100% agree
Messenger RNA was discovered in the early 1960s and research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s. It has been around a long time. And it always comes down to risk v benefit ratio.
No treatment/meds/vaccines are without potential adverse effects.
Vaccines are life saving and that includes the mrna Covid vaccines
MRNA vaccines have been studied extensively and are safe and effective
Multiple large-scale clinical trials involving millions of participants have demonstrated that mRNA vaccines are well-tolerated, with the most common side effects being mild and temporary, such as injection site pain, redness, swelling, fatigue, and headache.
Serious adverse events have been rare, and the benefits of vaccination against COVID-19 far outweigh the potential risks. The Centers for CDC and the FDA have thoroughly reviewed the safety data and endorse the use of mRNA vaccines.
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