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Niel|1398355579|3659174 said:
YT|1398351703|3659129 said:
Niel said:
Ah. My apologies, I didn't realise in-depth discussion and accuracy of assertion was beside the point; I will refrain from further commentary.


A welcome discussion I think,I think would be nice for a RT thread.

You do realize that you are talking to Yssie? Someone that's been around for a long time and is very knowledgeable around here. Please do not direct her away like a child. She is only trying to help and give further details that would help others make wise CAD choices.

I'm not directing her. I was saying I though the discussion was a valid one and would like to see a thread about it. :wavey:

I'd even like to see it as part of this thread, since we already have the illustrations for slow minds like mine! :rodent:

:wavey:
 

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Andelain|1398355848|3659179 said:
Niel|1398355579|3659174 said:
YT|1398351703|3659129 said:
Niel said:
Ah. My apologies, I didn't realise in-depth discussion and accuracy of assertion was beside the point; I will refrain from further commentary.


A welcome discussion I think,I think would be nice for a RT thread.

You do realize that you are talking to Yssie? Someone that's been around for a long time and is very knowledgeable around here. Please do not direct her away like a child. She is only trying to help and give further details that would help others make wise CAD choices.

I'm not directing her. I was saying I though the discussion was a valid one and would like to see a thread about it. :wavey:

I'd even like to see it as part of this thread, since we already have the illustrations for slow minds like mine! :rodent:

:wavey:

Sure! I'd just have the mods move it to RT. totally doable ;-)
 

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Niel|1398356069|3659181 said:
Andelain|1398355848|3659179 said:
Niel|1398355579|3659174 said:
YT|1398351703|3659129 said:
Niel said:
Ah. My apologies, I didn't realise in-depth discussion and accuracy of assertion was beside the point; I will refrain from further commentary.


A welcome discussion I think,I think would be nice for a RT thread.

You do realize that you are talking to Yssie? Someone that's been around for a long time and is very knowledgeable around here. Please do not direct her away like a child. She is only trying to help and give further details that would help others make wise CAD choices.

I'm not directing her. I was saying I though the discussion was a valid one and would like to see a thread about it. :wavey:

I'd even like to see it as part of this thread, since we already have the illustrations for slow minds like mine! :rodent:

:wavey:

Sure! I'd just have the mods move it to RT. totally doable ;-)

As long as my tiny brain can find it there! :bigsmile: :lol: :wavey:
 

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Niel|1398271860|3658593 said:
As sometimes I know its hard to imagine what your finished ring will look like with clunky cads can you please post a picture of your cad and your finished product??

I'm a little late to this thread, but I think this is a great idea! There have been so many threads with PS members expressing their concern over a CAD image. And honestly, I am also afraid of having a ring made for this exact reason. I am super picky and have trouble imagining a final product, unless it's literally on my finger!! ;)) It would be really great to see all the CAD pictures as the before and IRL photos to see the actual finished product.

Awesome thread topic, Neil!! I think this will make others aware of the nuances of the CAD versus the reality. :wavey:
 

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msop04|1398358379|3659216 said:
Niel|1398271860|3658593 said:
As sometimes I know its hard to imagine what your finished ring will look like with clunky cads can you please post a picture of your cad and your finished product??

I'm a little late to this thread, but I think this is a great idea! There have been so many threads with PS members expressing their concern over a CAD image. And honestly, I am also afraid of having a ring made for this exact reason. I am super picky and have trouble imagining a final product, unless it's literally on my finger!! ;)) It would be really great to see all the CAD pictures as the before and IRL photos to see the actual finished product.

Awesome thread topic, Neil!! I think this will make others aware of the nuances of the CAD versus the reality. :wavey:

I just thought of something else, maybe we should name the vendors we're using. That way poeple can get a feel for sho's CADs are closer to the finished product, and who's are a lot chunkier.

Mine was Whiteflash's custom shop.
 

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Andelain|1398359527|3659228 said:
msop04|1398358379|3659216 said:
Niel|1398271860|3658593 said:
As sometimes I know its hard to imagine what your finished ring will look like with clunky cads can you please post a picture of your cad and your finished product??

I'm a little late to this thread, but I think this is a great idea! There have been so many threads with PS members expressing their concern over a CAD image. And honestly, I am also afraid of having a ring made for this exact reason. I am super picky and have trouble imagining a final product, unless it's literally on my finger!! ;)) It would be really great to see all the CAD pictures as the before and IRL photos to see the actual finished product.

Awesome thread topic, Neil!! I think this will make others aware of the nuances of the CAD versus the reality. :wavey:

I just thought of something else, maybe we should name the vendors we're using. That way poeple can get a feel for sho's CADs are closer to the finished product, and who's are a lot chunkier.

Mine was Whiteflash's custom shop.

That's a good idea!
 

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Butterfly17|1398311901|3658936 said:
My CAD from ERD and the finished product.

What are the specs on your diamond, if you don't mind :)
 

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I noticed the ERD cads with the grey backgrounds look more realistic than the ones done on white background. One of my old cads is below...looks rather chunky compared to Valmain's erd cad, right? I feel like Valmain's looks like how it will look after finishing, whereas my cad looks pre-finishing - blocky and square.

I'll post mine when I get my ring in the next few days. Love this thread!

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Well, here we go... I hope this is helpful to some, at least!

The CAD itself is just a design created using some software that allows 3D modelling. There are several products available - I've used Solidworks, I think Rhinoceros3D is popular for jewellery... the CAD, no matter what its purpose, will never exactly represent the final piece. In a completely CAD/CAM process (computer-aided design and manufacturing) it's used to create the wax, and the wax is used to cast the metal mould, and the mould is polished, engraved, etc. That polishing of the cast removes metal, so the wax (and therefore the CAD if the wax is machine-made) needs to be larger - thicker, heftier - to safely accommodate the metal loss. Exactly how much metal is removed will depend on the shape, structure, and function of the design element itself, and on the person at the wheel that day...

Wink's article with lots of pics:
http://www.pricescope.com/journal/custom-jewelry-design-process-cad

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Gypsy's thread on creating the Aurora is IMO a MUST READ for anyone looking to start a CAD/CAM project:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/got-cads-of-band-want-opinions.153285/page-2']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/got-cads-of-band-want-opinions.153285/page-2[/URL]

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That last is from her SMTB thread [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-bgd-aurora-1-2-eternity-is-ready-and-on-the-way.154113/#post-2803288']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-bgd-aurora-1-2-eternity-is-ready-and-on-the-way.154113/#post-2803288[/URL]

Things I notice right away:

The CAD is (as expected) "heavier" - it's much bulkier than the finished cast.
-The shank is noticeably thicker in the CAD
-The doughnuts are wider and less rounded
-The baskets are wider and less rounded, the "wraps" are taller (N/S)
Small differences that can add up.

The final ring is beautiful, and IMO has lost much of the "top-heaviness" I see in the CAD. Had the CAD looked exactly like the finished Aurora, I'll wager the finished Aurora wouldn't have been structurally sound.

Gypsy/BGD chose to cast it in two parts. I don't know why this was done - perhaps if she sees this thread she can elaborate? I do, however, note one happy side-effect - BGD's bench was able to polish the interiors and undersides of the baskets and doughnuts to a shine that's clear even in photos. This sort of attention to detail requires both ability and foresight; my hand-forged setting by Victor Canera wasn't finished with this sort of care.

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Here's mogster's CAD from ERD from 2011:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/your-opinions-on-cad-images-pls-hw-style-halo-by-erd.167266/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/your-opinions-on-cad-images-pls-hw-style-halo-by-erd.167266/[/URL]

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"Excess metal" in the halo? Check.
Questionable "melee proportions" relative to the centerstone and halo size? Check.
"Chunky, blocky, squarish" feel? Check.
A CAD that, if posted in RT today, would receive a large amount of commentary and a laundry list of things to talk to the vendor about fixing? Check.

And here's the final product.
Delicate, curvy, nicely rounded, and beautifully proportioned, with no excess metal to complain of whatsoever :love:

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Here's another thread with a couple of closeups of the pave - it is very, very nicely done! Bypassing the tale of misfortune with the outlet, that is :sick:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/in-my-infinite-wisdom.177195/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/in-my-infinite-wisdom.177195/[/URL]

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My first and second Butteflies CADs are interesting, I think. Both were excellent learning experiences! The same CAD may well result in pieces with slightly different "feels" in the hands of different benches, different vendors... Both of mine are from WF:

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The ability to graduate the thickness of "wire" across a given element is in my opinion one of the biggest advantages of casting this sort of "wire-centric" design. It carries through clearly in the final product - the wires in the gallery supporting the centerstone are visibly thicker than the wires supporting the sidestones in both versions of the design.

The concavity of the shoulders, however, tends to suffer from design to production. This is pronounced in the unplated WG version (bottom) - the exaggerated curve of the cathedral shoulders in the CAD has been significantly leveled in the finished piece. This is one example wherein I personally do prefer the aesthetic presented in the CAD. I can't claim to know whether this sort of artifact is representative of a widespread trend or a quirk specific to WF's bench, but I suspect the former...

From experience I can say with some certainty that curves that arc more severely and that don't extend as far in terms of simple distance tend to fare better, defining "better" as "more likely to maintain the amount of curvature pictured in the CAD after the final polish". Setting sidestones lower and angling them more severely are two ways to shorten the shoulders and create a more pronounced "tulip" curve, given the same size and arrangement of stones, the same inflection point, and the same finger size...



I see the same in Enerchi's ring, though to a less extent.

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I think in general "long" surfaces that are plain and simple and easily accessible are more likely to succumb to the effects of a heavier hand during polishing. It makes sense - anyone who's ever sanded a piece of furniture or polished flatware knows that the unmarked edges and knife blades are easier to rub at than the detailed carvings and engravings, and one must reign in the vigour! Less material is polished away from the difficult-to-access nooks and crannies, and depending on the design being cast sometimes there are nooks and crannies that aren't accessible at all, like the interior of a trellis head...


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The point I'm trying to make is that a CAD is just one part of a long and involved procedure, and it is not reasonable to try to pre-determine the outcome - the final result of all these various processes - based on just that one part. CAD certainly is used to create incredibly precise and exacting parts in other industries, but not in this one! For us it's a detailed visualization of a concept. CharmyPoo has mentioned Leif Benner as someone who uses CAD to help understand and visualise what a client is looking for, but doesn't necessarily use it to actually manufacture the piece (ie. CAM a wax directly from the CAD):

CharmyPoo|1323727192|3080029 said:
I will use Leif Benner (http://www.leifbenner.com/) as a case study. I have not worked with him at all because my style is much more delicate than what he does. However, my friend did use him and I felt his working methods to be exceptional. He first made hand drawn sketches for my friend during a brain storming session. He then made a CAD drawing which I reviewed with my friend. We made 4 rounds of revisions to the CAD in which each revision was turned around within a day. Once the CAD was approved, he proceeded to hand make the setting (he may have also used a hand carved wax). The setting looked exactly like the CAD. I found the process extremly helpful and without the CAD drawings ... the design wouldn't be as perfect as it is. I was only able to continously provide recommendations and tweaks after I saw the changes in CAD.

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A CAD isn't necessary for creating a wax to cast with - the wax for Pothos' graduation ring was hand-carved:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-graduation-ring-is-done-lots-of-pics.182879/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-graduation-ring-is-done-lots-of-pics.182879/[/URL]

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Other designers like Mike Robinson of RDG forgo the entirety of the CAD/CAM process, preferring instead to paint and hand-forge. This is PinkJewel's masterpiece:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/pink-diamonds-rdg-mike-robinson-artisan-masterpiece.189171/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/pink-diamonds-rdg-mike-robinson-artisan-masterpiece.189171/[/URL]

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And this is Haven's fully hand-forged stunner from Burdeen's, a vendor that does both hand-forging and casting (I am unsure if they work with any CAD programmes). Those vendors are rarities - and, honestly, those vendors' opinions are the only ones I fully trust re. the cast vs. hand-forged debate, because those vendors are the only ones who

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I think the only truly valid CAD/CAM comparisons are between CADs and casts from the same vendor. I hesitate to further restrict that statement to 'the same bench' because I think it's a vendor's responsibility to ensure integrity of aesthetic between bench changes. More importantly, though, it's crucial to choose a vendor who makes pieces that one generally likes, who one trusts to understand and prioritise the look and feel one wants, and who one trusts to deliver on that look and feel without micromanagement.
And I say that as a serial micromanager!!! That is, a serial micromanager who has found a couple of vendors she trusts implicitly, and from whom she doesn't hesitate to okay a CAD that looks like this knowing that it will be finished into something like this ::)



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I'll probably be lambasted for this but I'm going to say it anyway. Niel, you have over 8000 posts - the majority of them in RT, I believe. You should certainly have enough knowledge and experience to address some of the thoughts I just brought up, given that you routinely assist new customers in ways that require it and that imply confidence in that capacity! The fact that you apparently prefer instead to delegate that investment of time and effort into a complete and thorough explanation to others is... disappointing. This write-up took me an hour. You started this thread. You are a PS regular - you are clearly willing to contribute your own time and effort. But, after expressing interest in the topic, instead of taking some initiative and getting the discussion started with any thoughts or opinions or input of your own, either in this thread or in another in RT, you're content to let me do all the work (and I did it because I have zero tolerance for dissemination of incorrect or incomplete information, and I take pride in what we RT regulars do). I'm reasonably confident this is the only part of my post that you will reply to in any fashion, in fact. It is... frustrating.

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Yssie|1398452879|3659992 said:
And this is Haven's fully hand-forged stunner from Burdeen's, a vendor that does both hand-forging and casting (I am unsure if they work with any CAD programmes). Those vendors are rarities - and, honestly, those vendors' opinions are the only ones I fully trust re. the cast vs. hand-forged debate, because those vendors are the only ones who

Oops.

And this is Haven's fully hand-forged stunner from Burdeen's, a vendor that does both hand-forging and casting (I am unsure if they work with any CAD programmes). The sketches are Haven's. Those vendors are rarities - and, honestly, those vendors' opinions are the only ones I fully trust re. the cast vs. hand-forged debate, because those vendors are the only ones who appreciate the virtues and failings of both methods of manufacture. I trust their determinations about what's best for any particular project more than those of vendors who specialise in one or the other because I know there are no worries about "I have a hammer so everything's a nail" syndrome!
 

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Can I just say, I am in love with this thread!
:love: :love: :cheeky: :cheeky: :naughty: :naughty:
 

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ckrickett|1398461428|3660073 said:
Can I just say, I am in love with this thread!
:love: :love: :cheeky: :cheeky: :naughty: :naughty:

Ditto this. I didn't take it as a particularly educational thread, given that it's in SMTB. I assumed it was more a photographic thread for people to post their stuff, look at each other's and go - "Wow - that one's really similar!" - or - "Gee - that's heaps different!" Of course there's a bunch of things that affect the relationship between CAD and finished project - not least of which is the vendor - but I don't think this thread was ever intended for that. As I read it, this was simply a pictorial representation of individual's experiences. No more and no less.

And as such....love it, Niel!

And agreed - I'm sure a much more in-depth discussion could be had in RT, or past threads could be looked up. But as I see it, this was never meant to be that.
 

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mrs-blop|1398461806|3660077 said:
ckrickett|1398461428|3660073 said:
Can I just say, I am in love with this thread!
:love: :love: :cheeky: :cheeky: :naughty: :naughty:

Ditto this. I didn't take it as a particularly educational thread, given that it's in SMTB. I assumed it was more a photographic thread for people to post their stuff, look at each other's and go - "Wow - that one's really similar!" - or - "Gee - that's heaps different!" Of course there's a bunch of things that affect the relationship between CAD and finished project - not least of which is the vendor - but I don't think this thread was ever intended for that. As I read it, this was simply a pictorial representation of individual's experiences. No more and no less.

And as such....love it, Niel!

And agreed - I'm sure a much more in-depth discussion could be had in RT, or past threads could be looked up. But as I see it, this was never meant to be that.

For some reason I rarely get to see the finished rings from CADS and I am always so interested. so I just love this grouping of all these lovelies in one spot!

I would love a more in-depth discussion somewhere!!!
 

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ckrickett|1398462461|3660085 said:
mrs-blop|1398461806|3660077 said:
ckrickett|1398461428|3660073 said:
Can I just say, I am in love with this thread!
:love: :love: :cheeky: :cheeky: :naughty: :naughty:

Ditto this. I didn't take it as a particularly educational thread, given that it's in SMTB. I assumed it was more a photographic thread for people to post their stuff, look at each other's and go - "Wow - that one's really similar!" - or - "Gee - that's heaps different!" Of course there's a bunch of things that affect the relationship between CAD and finished project - not least of which is the vendor - but I don't think this thread was ever intended for that. As I read it, this was simply a pictorial representation of individual's experiences. No more and no less.

And as such....love it, Niel!

And agreed - I'm sure a much more in-depth discussion could be had in RT, or past threads could be looked up. But as I see it, this was never meant to be that.

For some reason I rarely get to see the finished rings from CADS and I am always so interested. so I just love this grouping of all these lovelies in one spot!

I would love a more in-depth discussion somewhere!!!

ckrickett - for me, this thread has great 'ogle value'! And I'm all about ogling when it comes to jewelry! :naughty: :love:
 

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mrs-blop|1398461806|3660077 said:
ckrickett|1398461428|3660073 said:
Can I just say, I am in love with this thread!
:love: :love: :cheeky: :cheeky: :naughty: :naughty:

Ditto this. I didn't take it as a particularly educational thread, given that it's in SMTB. I assumed it was more a photographic thread for people to post their stuff, look at each other's and go - "Wow - that one's really similar!" - or - "Gee - that's heaps different!" Of course there's a bunch of things that affect the relationship between CAD and finished project - not least of which is the vendor - but I don't think this thread was ever intended for that. As I read it, this was simply a pictorial representation of individual's experiences. No more and no less.

And as such....love it, Niel!

And agreed - I'm sure a much more in-depth discussion could be had in RT, or past threads could be looked up. But as I see it, this was never meant to be that.

Haha I love the way you worded it. Yeah that's exactly what I was going for.
 
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I'll probably be lambasted for this but I'm going to say it anyway. Niel, you have over 8000 posts - the majority of them in RT, I believe. You should certainly have enough knowledge and experience to address some of the thoughts I just brought up, given that you routinely assist new customers in ways that require it and that imply confidence in that capacity! The fact that you apparently prefer instead to delegate that investment of time and effort into a complete and thorough explanation to others is... disappointing. This write-up took me an hour. You started this thread. You are a PS regular - you are clearly willing to contribute your own time and effort. But, after expressing interest in the topic, instead of taking some initiative and getting the discussion started with any thoughts or opinions or input of your own, either in this thread or in another in RT, you're content to let me do all the work (and I did it because I have zero tolerance for dissemination of incorrect or incomplete information, and I take pride in what we RT regulars do). I'm reasonably confident this is the only part of my post that you will reply to in any fashion, in fact. It is... frustrating.

Yssie, I thank you for taking time out of your day for your whole write up. I feel like all the information you posted was important. And if anyone is going to learn anything from this SMTB thread, details need to be added even if it isn't RT.

You know what you're talking about so let's just leave it at that. You're gonna give yourself a brain aneurysm trying to get through to people on this thread. PS isn't what is used to be, which is why I so seldom visit. Because this is what always happens. People acting like they know what they're talking about when they don't and disrespecting veteran members that do.

Anyway, your info was quite helpful because I don't want to just see a CAD and a finished product. That is useless to me. Information and details are what make it important since this is a forum for learning.
 

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I am a self admitted CAD failure. I have yet to see myself through a single CAD project.

Most of the CAD work I see here are not very good compared to what CAD can really do. CAD can make photo realistic images but it is a shame that most jewelry CAD people aren't there. I would say some of the best CAD work I have seen here is done by Michael E.

In general, I think I much prefer sketches although it is very odd given I am an engineer (and had to use CAD in my previous life).
 

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YT|1398472504|3660231 said:
Yssie|1398452879|3659992 said:
I'll probably be lambasted for this but I'm going to say it anyway. Niel, you have over 8000 posts - the majority of them in RT, I believe. You should certainly have enough knowledge and experience to address some of the thoughts I just brought up, given that you routinely assist new customers in ways that require it and that imply confidence in that capacity! The fact that you apparently prefer instead to delegate that investment of time and effort into a complete and thorough explanation to others is... disappointing. This write-up took me an hour. You started this thread. You are a PS regular - you are clearly willing to contribute your own time and effort. But, after expressing interest in the topic, instead of taking some initiative and getting the discussion started with any thoughts or opinions or input of your own, either in this thread or in another in RT, you're content to let me do all the work (and I did it because I have zero tolerance for dissemination of incorrect or incomplete information, and I take pride in what we RT regulars do). I'm reasonably confident this is the only part of my post that you will reply to in any fashion, in fact. It is... frustrating.

Yssie, I thank you for taking time out of your day for your whole write up. I feel like all the information you posted was important. And if anyone is going to learn anything from this SMTB thread, details need to be added even if it isn't RT.

You know what you're talking about so let's just leave it at that. You're gonna give yourself a brain aneurysm trying to get through to people on this thread. PS isn't what is used to be, which is why I so seldom visit. Because this is what always happens. People acting like they know what they're talking about when they don't and disrespecting veteran members that do.

Anyway, your info was quite helpful because I don't want to just see a CAD and a finished product. That is useless to me. Information and details are what make it important since this is a forum for learning.

Pricescopes own blurb on this particular forum (my intention is not to be disrespectful, I wish to simply highlight the purpose of this particular forum):
» Diamond Ring Showcase Forum

Show your diamond engagement ring and brag shamelessly about your new jewels. From engagement rings to anniversary gifts, celebrate your occasions and share pictures in this very active forum.


Before and after pics to share, ogle and drool over belong exactly here.

Let's keep the piccies coming - I l :love: e seeing how different or lifelike the CADs are to the final product!!!!

I can see why, if this were posted in RT, this topic/content of some of this topic may not be appropriate - but......it wasn't.
 

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YT|1398472504|3660231 said:
Yssie|1398452879|3659992 said:
I'll probably be lambasted for this but I'm going to say it anyway. Niel, you have over 8000 posts - the majority of them in RT, I believe. You should certainly have enough knowledge and experience to address some of the thoughts I just brought up, given that you routinely assist new customers in ways that require it and that imply confidence in that capacity! The fact that you apparently prefer instead to delegate that investment of time and effort into a complete and thorough explanation to others is... disappointing. This write-up took me an hour. You started this thread. You are a PS regular - you are clearly willing to contribute your own time and effort. But, after expressing interest in the topic, instead of taking some initiative and getting the discussion started with any thoughts or opinions or input of your own, either in this thread or in another in RT, you're content to let me do all the work (and I did it because I have zero tolerance for dissemination of incorrect or incomplete information, and I take pride in what we RT regulars do). I'm reasonably confident this is the only part of my post that you will reply to in any fashion, in fact. It is... frustrating.

Yssie, I thank you for taking time out of your day for your whole write up. I feel like all the information you posted was important. And if anyone is going to learn anything from this SMTB thread, details need to be added even if it isn't RT.

You know what you're talking about so let's just leave it at that. You're gonna give yourself a brain aneurysm trying to get through to people on this thread. PS isn't what is used to be, which is why I so seldom visit. Because this is what always happens. People acting like they know what they're talking about when they don't and disrespecting veteran members that do.

Anyway, your info was quite helpful because I don't want to just see a CAD and a finished product. That is useless to me. Information and details are what make it important since this is a forum for learning.

Yessie. This thread was not meant to be a lengthy informative thread. Thats why I put it in SMTB, i wanted a fun "scroll though" thread where people could see where a company started a rendering and where the finish product ended. But you came and posted trying to turn it into something else.

I happen to mention that maybe it would be best to start your own thread, a thread that you could gear whichever way you wanted the discussion to go, but of course YT found that somehow rude, as she does so many of the things i say. If you want to take your time to threadjack my post and turn it into something it wasn't meant to be that fine. But you're right, I'm not going to spend and hour delving into the different types of renderings because as it so happens i didnt invasion a thread like that.

I am not you. What i try to get out of this board isn't what you try to get out of it. Everyone contributes to the board differently.
 

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I for one love to see the CAD and the finished product pics! I was under the impression it wasn't meant to be an educational discussion; it was more to show off beautiful bling in its various stages of fabrication. I would add my own but I don't have any CADs that ended up being completed pieces. I sure love seeing everyone else's though, very interesting.
 

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There are far too many words in this thread and not enough pictures. Please post some more! :love: As a CAD designer for a state transportation department I can appreciate the work that goes into developing 3D models. They are not a 20 minute whip it out exercise. They have value to persons who want a custom design but cannot draw a stick figure to save their lives. It helps them to make changes when they see their idea will not actually turn out well. The workmanship is the other side of the same coin to actually bring the CAD to life.

More pics please!
 

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Ha you're right redwood.

Here are some rendererings i got from JA. They aren't known for their custom work which is why I belive the renderings are a bit more crude. The most noteworthy difference is the cathedral gaps in the shank, missing in the cads but apparent in the final product. I truly can't remember if I asked them to do it but didn't need another image, or if they did it on their own, but I believe the latter

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Nice Niel! I make sure the CAD is exactly what I wanted albeit bulkier looking. This is the benefit of doing the CAD process and a customer needs to make sure their final product will be what they envisioned. For myself I am too much of a micromanager to allow the jeweler full reign over a project.

This is a CAD of a David Klass customer choice pendant and is not specific for my stone. So I did not need a new one when I had my diamond reset. But it turned out lovely.

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This is the CAD for my 3 stone OEC ring. This one took several iterations to get it right. The green one is how it ended up.

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HOLY MOLY !!!!!!!

I have errands to run right now, but I will def be back to read this, FASCINATING !!!!!!

HUGE THANK YOU to those who have participated in this thread !!!! :appl: :appl: :appl:

I am pretty sure my brain is the tiniest around here, I am pretty un-imaginative, I have a nice stone (well, really a few nice stones)
that I am sitting on like eggs because:

1. I can't even envision how a setting would look like with my stone in it if I can't see it on my hand first (made that mistake a few times already)

and

2. I can't envision how it would happen if I did know what I wanted.....

so this is a really nice learning experience. I am truly afraid of CADS because of how they look....
 

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Thanks for posting this thread and links to previous info on the topic. It's been very interesting to look at everyone's CAD to real product. I'm not sure I could ever do it so kudos to all of you who have! I like being able to see a quick "down and dirty" without getting too bogged down in details and fabrication particulars of each piece. This thread would become a behemoth (and not in a good way) if that were to happen. Short, simple, lots of pics! Save the heavy details for individual threads on the pieces.
 

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It boggles my mind how some CADs can look so unlike the finished product, but some like mine could be mistaked for the real thing. I even once posted a CAD as the real, until I paid closer atention and fixed it.
 

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Andelain|1398536651|3660663 said:
It boggles my mind how some CADs can look so unlike the finished product, but some like mine could be mistaked for the real thing. I even once posted a CAD as the real, until I paid closer atention and fixed it.

In a bad or a good way? I think this is due to the particular software used as some are strictly a straightforward CAD rendering that do not show mirror style reflection of metal, etc. For myself I do not need that level of perfection in a CAD but others might. I think your CADs are gorgeous! The cost to produce that level will be likely much higher and would need to be passed on to the buyer. I do like that once the CAD is approved I also get pics of all views of the wax next before it is cast. Much cheaper to fix a wax than a cast piece.
 

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Redwood -

I think you have my dream jewelry collection!

Is there any chance I could persuade you to start a thread showing off all your pieces? you have 3 rings I utterly adore - and now this gorgeous pendant! Anything else you're squirreling away in private? And even if not - I'd still love to see all your pieces collated on the one thread.

Any chance?
 

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mrs-blop you are too sweet and thank you so much. I really don't have all that big of a collection and you have seen most of it here. There are thousands of gorgeous designs here on PS and I am just glad that some people like my measly few pieces.
 
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