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She's finally here! My yellow pear, a hurricane, and a question

pierrotlunette

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Hi Folks,

Checking in from the Florida Panhandle, which as many of you know was hit hard by Hurricane Michael last week. We are still without power, but are so incredibly fortunate given the scale of destruction in other communities. The cleanup and rebuilding effort is going to be long and costly, so please keep Florida folks in your thoughts.

In the midst of all the chaos, this little beauty made her way (by way of a very stressed out, bedraggled FedEx employee!) to our front door. Several of you have been so helpful over the last few months as my fiance and I designed my engagement ring. We wound up doing the complete project with Leibish jewelers, particularly since I had my heart set on a yellow center diamond. I think the final product turned out nicely, although I do have a couple of questions (which I'll post after pelting you with pictures and video!).

Specs:
1.09 carat Fancy Light Yellow, VVS1 (there's a small chip at the tip indicated on the cert, but it's not visible. Ignore the black speck that seems to show up on some of the photos - it's just a reflection of some sort).
Pear sides are .46 tcw, halo adds another .14 tcw; all are F+; ring is 1.69 TCW

I hope this link will work - our lights were out, so the flash makes the ring look particularly blingy:


A few shots both inside and outside. These aren't great - I need to figure out how to do decent macro shots. You can get a good sense of the color and are also able to see the ginkgo leaf details in the gallery. Forgive the grubby hands, but we were clearing away pine limbs all morning! :)

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Now to my questions: The ring is beautiful and "mostly" perfect. The ginkgo leaves in the gallery don't conform to what I'd agreed on with the jeweler, but they are such a small detail (visible only to me, really) that it's not a dealbreaker. My bigger concern is with the pear side stones, both of which have visible bowties that make the upper half of both pears rather dark. I haven't been able to capture this well in photographs, but it is definitely visible in person. The halo melee is beautiful, but the side pears wind up looking really dull in comparison.

I have never had a custom ring made, so I'm not certain if I have any recourse in addressing this with Leibish. They have been great to work with and very responsive to questions and requests. I didn't SPECIFY that the side pears shouldn't have bow ties, but I suppose I assumed that all small accent stones would be vetted for good quality.

Should I let it go or bring it up with them? I do think the ring is very beautiful (and a giant thank you to RockySalamander for making so many helpful suggestions) and will wear it with pleasure. But those side pears are bugging me and I have no doubt I will want to replace them down the road. What's the protocol here, lovely PSers?
 
I don't know enough to address any of your questions but I would imagine Leibish wants you to be happy and it can't hurt to ask about swapping out those sidestones. Beautiful ring!
 
It's gorgeous and looks huge. DO make sure you communicate your concerns to your vendor!
 
Gorgeous ring and it looks beautiful on your hand!! I love the gallery but I'm sorry it's not exactly what you wanted. If the side stones are bothering you now then most likely they will bother you forever. The pear side stones on my sapphire ring always bothered me. It also has a halo and the halo stones made the pears look really bad. I eventually had them replaced and it made a world of difference. I think you should talk to Leibish about finding some side stones that don't have bowties. You will be much happier if you do that.
 
Your ring is just beautiful!!!

I have pear side stones in my ring as well, and I thought I might offer an additional suggestion for you if you decided to ask Leibish to switch them out. I had never thought to check for this when I purchased my setting.

One of my pears has fluorescence and the other has none (center stone has none as well). Normal lighting you can’t tell, but I can see the florescence in some settings. I kind of wish they both had it at the same level or both didn’t. I made a “note to self” to specify if I ever have my dream setting made.

Anyway, just something else to watch for.
 
OMG your ring is TDF beautiful!!! I would call them and discuss your concern about the pear sidetones however...I LOVE Leibish and they are wonderful and I bet they will make it right for you. You shouldn't have to settle.

I am so sorry about the devastation all around you and sending you and all those affected good thoughts and gentle hugs. Praying this hurricane season doesn't hurt anyone else. Good luck with the cleanup.

And your ring is absolutely gorgeous. A big bright ray of sunshine and fingers crossed for you that the pear situation gets resolved to your satisfaction.
 
Gorgeous ring!!!!!! Definitely tell the Leibish about the pears. You need to be completely happy!:wavey:
 
Beautiful ring, beautiful color! If the bow ties bother you, perhaps you could change the sidestones to another cut. I do not think that a bowtie in certain conditions is terrible, but if it bothers you now it's worth changing,
 
Your ring is lovely and has great finger coverage! Surprised they were able to deliver it with the current situation of things in the panhandle.
Hope you get your elect on SOON! I live on the east coast of FL so I know how miserable it can be. Stay safe.

On to the ring...

Are the bow-ties dark (black)? Most pears will have an area in the shape of a tie. If it stays mostly white/colorless (reflecting light) then it is usually
considered fine/good. However, if it has a wide area of black going through it, that would not be considered ok. If you send it back to Leibish you might
ask that you get to "approve" the next set of pears before they are set.

You might go look at colorless pears to see the typical faceting patterns. I can go into more detail (if need be) on nice pears.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/page-2/
 
That is one stunning ring! The fire it gives off is absolutely incredible.

I agree with the others. If the side stones bothers you now, that gnawing feeling will only intensify with time. Better to be honest and open about it now.

Good luck!
 
Gorgeous ring and it looks beautiful on your hand!! I love the gallery but I'm sorry it's not exactly what you wanted. If the side stones are bothering you now then most likely they will bother you forever. The pear side stones on my sapphire ring always bothered me. It also has a halo and the halo stones made the pears look really bad. I eventually had them replaced and it made a world of difference. I think you should talk to Leibish about finding some side stones that don't have bowties. You will be much happier if you do that.

I'm not really disappointed in the gallery - it just isn't exactly what we designed. It's not a big concern, and I do think they ultimately did a really great job with the leaf details. That was something my fiance wanted to include, so he's feeling quite satisfied with himself over the design. :) I do like that there's not another like it anywhere.

Thanks to you all for your comments about the ring. I'm going to try to get some better photos of the ring to see if I can show the bowties a bit better. TyTy333's comments made me think I might be judging them more harshly than I should, but I don't know. The frustration is that the pointed end of the pears is quite lively, then the tops are pretty dull/dim because of the bowties. Because the rest of the ring is so fiery, they look like deadspots right next to the halo. I'll see if I can get some better shots tonight.

Also - our power came back on this afternoon. Hallelujah! :)
 
So glad you got your power back. God bless Florida and all of those who continue to suffer and wade through the nightmare of the hurricane.

Your ring is beautiful but if you have any reservations about the side stones, I would definitely give them a call. As others have said, if you have reservations now they won't go away and the time to deal with it with the vendor is now. I am sure they want you to be completely happy!
 
Okay - this is the best shot I've gotten of the bowtie (right side stone). Still isn't that clear. I have seen well-cut pears where the bowtie is eliminated (and even though I know colored diamonds are a different animal, the center pear definitely doesn't have one). Both sides have them.20181015_213851.jpg
 
Just go back and tell them you are not satisfied with the side stones and you want them replaced, make sure you get to approve the next pair. It took me like a month to find a pair of trapezoids I like so take your time and if you have any hesitation about the next pair have them keep looking.
 
I just wanted to comment to say that your ring is BEAUTIFUL! I fully appreciate that the side stone bow ties may be an issue and it is worth addressing, but the overall look is stunning! The proportions are spot on and look amazing on your hand.

I was looking at ovals recently but this may have swayed me towards pears again...
 
I just wanted to comment to say that your ring is BEAUTIFUL! I fully appreciate that the side stone bow ties may be an issue and it is worth addressing, but the overall look is stunning! The proportions are spot on and look amazing on your hand.

I was looking at ovals recently but this may have swayed me towards pears again...
Thanks so much! I had my heart set on an oval for YEARS and spent the better part of four months looking for the right one. Wasn't even considering a pear until this one popped up (but was definitely not wowed by the photos). I ordered this, an oval, and a cushion from them to view as well as three other ovals from other vendors. I kept coming back to this one, however, and am so happy I did...it is like looking down into a deep golden pool. Their bench did a great job of enhancing stone's color, too.

Are you looking for a colorless or a colored stone?
 
Probably a colourless stone... though I do love yellows. I have a little yellow FIY cushion which I love, but the lines of your ring just draw me in. I’m not sure about an oval halo 3 stone, but it just WORKS for your pear. It’s perfection!

I was looking at the opulence ovals from AV inc, but the reduced face up size relative to similar carat weights give me pause (and I’m not QUITE in the market yet for an upgrade for other reasons), but they’re gorgeous. I love how they eliminate the bow tie and give maximal sparkle. I just wanted more coverage for size!
 
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Probably a colourless stone... though I do love yellows. I have a little yellow FIY cushion which I love, but the lines of your ring just draw me in. I’m not sure about an oval halo 3 stone, but it just WORKS for your pear. It’s perfection!

I was looking at the opulence ovals from AV inc, but the reduced face up size relative to similar carat weights give me pause (and I’m not QUITE in the market yet for an upgrade for other reasons), but they’re gorgeous. I love how they eliminate the bow tie and give maximal sparkle. I just wanted more coverage for size!

Hi Crystal_Dreams!
I don't know if this is useful, but here's where this ring design began:
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I knew I wanted three stone with a halo around the center stone only (I'm not personally a fan of halos around center and sidestones - it usually looks "noisy" to my eye, although I have seen one or two well-done examples!) and fell in love with the above ring. Tried a few different side stone ideas - my favorites wound up being half moons or pears. When I switched the center to a pear, that ruled out the half moons (half moons sides and a pear center sometimes look like a bird's head to me; not the right proportions), so we went with pear side stones. THEN the much-more-seasoned folks on here helped tweak the design (encouraging me to ask for a slightly tilted halo, shanks that were a bit built up on the sides for comfort, and a few other aesthetic improvements).

If you wound up going with the oval, here's another option I liked:
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At any rate, greetings from a fellow oval lover who was seduced by a pretty pear! :)
 
It might be quite some job to find a pair of pears to fit the bill... How about doing away with the sides entirely? The beautiful Fancy & its halo have allot of presence on their own, of course.
 
Since you like the way the pointed ends look "quite lively" you may want pears with a 4 main faceting pattern that tend to give more of the
crushed iced look instead of the round brilliant look (at the rounded end). I'll see if I can find some. The problem is trying to find nice matching pairs of pears. Also, a lot of these are just not that well cut. Here are a few examples. See if you like them better.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/0.55-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-4578901
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/0.70-carat-j-color-si2-clarity-sku-5451752 ignore the inclusion
 
Realistically, that looks like a tiny bowtie to me and it may be very difficult to obtain a matched pair with no bowties at all. Those are not common as most pears will have at least a little. But you certainly can ask Leibish. Did they not show you the pears for your approval before completing the ring? That is usually done by most custom ringmakers and was a mistake if they did not. Certainly you can ask them what they think about accessing other pears. But I am guessing the setting was made for that exact pair, so they may not have much leeway to replace them.

For what its worth, I think the ring is gorgeous!!!! I wouldn't have thought one negative thought seeing your pictures!:love:
 
Thanks, AV, TyTy333, and Diamondseeker, for weighing in. At present, I'm leaning toward not bringing the issue up with Leibish, precisely because it seems so tough to find small matched pear pairs (=)2). They didn't send me photos of the side stones before the ring was completed/shipped to me...in fact, it went into final production before I expected it to and I never saw a final mock-up of the ring. If I had, then things like the gallery could've been fixed, although I'm not certain it would've changed much wear the sides are concerned. I am likely being too picky...and I also don't want to part with the ring now that I've finally gotten it on my finger. :)
 
I think in this world here of highly magnified photos, we have a tendency to lean toward a level of perfection that isn't always attainable. Great cut fancy shape diamonds are rare. That's why stones like August Vintage have been popular for those who desire the highest level of cut quality. I personally would not accept big fat bowties in ovals or pears. But in pears particularly, a little one is not uncommon in nicer stones, and they are less of a problem in smaller diamonds, too! So just enjoy your ring for a few more days before you make a final decision!
 
I have no helpful suggestions for the side stones, but I wanted to chime in and say, my gosh, that is one absolutely glorious ring. The center stone! I love it! Looks like Leibish definitely brought the color to maximum intensity. Wear it in good health.
 
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