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Rain5

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Greetings,

I am a amateur to world of diamonds but I am slowly learning. I recently watched the movie Counselor by Ridley Scott. There is a scene where protagonist buys a diamond and the diamond dealer goes over 4C of that specific diamond. A term "cautionary diamond" is used. A bit of Google lead me to this page ( https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/89376/what-is-a-cautionary-diamond/97706 ) when searching for that term. Now I am mildly confused in clarity and color and I am begging for help. I have 2 questions.

1. The diamond has a small inclusion, a feather per script. I thought that feather was this in image below: Screenshot (265).png

The person who wrote that answer on site I linked above said the feather is this:
Screenshot (266).png
RNvNM.jpg

So which image shows the feather inclusion?

2. What cut of diamond is this, emerald or something else? I have hard time gauging it purely by pavilion.

Screenshot (267).png

My thanks in advance!
 

Rain5

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To add one more, photo which shows various inclusions.

The feather, according to image below, fits more to what I assumed in the very first photo in this thread.

I kindly ask for knowledge.

Screenshot (268).png
 

Rain5

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@musicloveranthony @oldminer

Thank you for replies!

Could you please confirm if I am correct, this is a small feather on the diamond and not the one on the girdle (thought I truly doubt what flaw they saw on girdle). So this, is the small feather in this photo, correct? Screenshot (265).png
 

Rain5

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@kenny @musicloveranthony

My deepest thanks. I have one final question.

This is probably a bit more complicated. The person who wrote the comment here ( https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/89376/what-is-a-cautionary-diamond/97706 ) said this "[Note: As you can see from the chart in the link a yellow color noticed by a novice probably isn't an "H", more likely a "K", at least]".

The script of movie says H color, he says that it is K or lower. I will put some photos of the diamond, what color do you think it is?

Screenshot (260).png Screenshot (262).png
 

Rain5

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The feather or feathers are barely visible, but therefore not of much importance. They are not dangerous looking and appear minor and relatively small. I doubt you need to be concerned about them.

Sir, could I trouble you to confirm two things for me please. So the small feather inclusion is on this photo, not on the girdle of the diamond as one individual suggests.

1. There is no flaw in girdle in images I posted above, am I correct or wrong?

2. So this photo below is correct in that it shows small feather inclusion?

Screenshot (265).png
 

distracts

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@kenny @musicloveranthony

My deepest thanks. I have one final question.

This is probably a bit more complicated. The person who wrote the comment here ( https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/89376/what-is-a-cautionary-diamond/97706 ) said this "[Note: As you can see from the chart in the link a yellow color noticed by a novice probably isn't an "H", more likely a "K", at least]".

The script of movie says H color, he says that it is K or lower. I will put some photos of the diamond, what color do you think it is?

Screenshot (260).png Screenshot (262).png

It's a movie, so I think it's probably a CZ, so I think it's most likely to be completely colorless. Any tint is likely a result of set lighting or post-processing color grading. You can tell that the images are highly color graded just by looking at them.

I also think since it's a fictional movie the magnified images don't really mean much of anything.
 

Rain5

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@distracts

My deep thanks!

Could you give me your opinion, is the feather inclusion on girdle or on pavilion or both?


Here is where I think the small feather inclusion is:
Screenshot (265).png
One other guy see the feather inclusion on the girdle:
RNvNM.jpg

Which one is correct?
 

distracts

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@distracts

My deep thanks!

Could you give me your opinion, is the feather inclusion on girdle or on pavilion or both?

Here is where I think the small feather inclusion is:
Screenshot (265).png
One other guy see the feather inclusion on the girdle:
RNvNM.jpg

Which one is correct?

My opinion is that there's no feather inclusion present. I don't see anything. This is magnified like a million times. If there was anything that counted as an inclusion, it would be VERY visible. This is just a movie picture someone is zooming in on, not a real diamond. That bottom thing is just a facet reflection on the corner. I would not try to learn about diamonds from a fictional movie.
 

Rain5

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@distracts

You think the diamonds are in fact, cubic zirconia? Possible, though given the budget of movie and some other info, I think they used actual diamonds.

Also, I agree that bottom thing is a faced reflection of the corner of girdle but I do believe this is a genuine feather inclusion: Screenshot (265).png
 

musicloveranthony

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There is a feather or a dust particle that resembles a feather. His arrow is pointing to it.

But yeah - I wouldn't take anything the movie said about that stone as any sort of accurate description of anything.
 

distracts

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@distracts

You think the diamonds are in fact, cubic zirconia? Possible, though given the budget of movie and some other info, I think they used actual diamonds.

Also, I agree that bottom thing is a faced reflection of the corner of girdle but I do believe this is a genuine feather inclusion: Screenshot (265).png

Yes, I think they are likely cubic zirconia. Many movies use CZ, paste, etc in the place of real diamonds.

For another thing, the magnified images and the unmagnified images appear to show different stones. You can see the facet edges on the magnified images are much, much neater than they are on the unmagnified ones, and while I'm not sure I think they are also different shapes of diamonds.
 
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