Pricing difference between Bluenile and Whiteflash

[Khanh11]

Hi Team, i've been searching for diamonds for a few months and i've come across two that are ideal. One is from Bluenile and the other from Whiteflash. I wanted to understand the price differences on these two diamonds. The only difference i can see are the GIA and AGS certificates. But they are close to $3,000 different in prices

https://www.bluenile.com/au/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4045326.htm

 

[whitewave]

They are very comparable from stats. Whiteflash’s is in house and has been evaluated. Blue Nile’s is in a vault.

If you want to upgrade, with whiteflash you just have to spend a dollar more. With Blue Nile you have to spend double. I got caught in this BN upgrade policy with my asscher, where I wanted to spend another 6-8k, not 10-11 k more. So there’s that.

It’s up to you.

 

[Matilda]

there seem to be some very minor differences such as pointed cutlet vs none, fluorescence none vs negligible, etc..but the biggest difference is colour, however the lower colour being more expensive! The certificate may be the main cause I guess..
though actually blue nile is priced in AU$ and whitefish USD....

 

[Matilda]

sorry posted too soon, if convert blue nile diamond price to USD (assuming whitefish is in USD) then the difference is about 2000 USD

 

[lovedogs]

Up to you, but IMHO the WF upgrade policy is unbeatable and amazing. Plus, the WF stone is their proprietary cut, in house, and guaranteed to be an outstanding performer. I would get the WF between those 2.

 

[MissGotRocks]

I too would choose the WF diamond for all the reasons lovedogs above posted!

 

[Khanh11]

Aww thanks everyone, gives me confident to choose the WF one! makes sense to have more control on the upgrade policy.

 

[Snowdrop13]

Must be a slight difference due to the WF one being an E rather than F too.

 

[kmarla]

Both stone prices come up in Canadian dollars for me. The Blue Nile F colour is $2400 more than the Whiteflash E colour. The other diamond parameters are similar so I’m confused about such a significant price difference. I would expect the Whiteflash to be more expensive. I have an ACA and love it and Whiteflash’s upgrade policy is much better. My vote is Whiteflash!

 

[OoohShiny]

there seem to be some very minor differences such as pointed cutlet vs none, fluorescence none vs negligible, etc..but the biggest difference is colour, however the lower colour being more expensive! The certificate may be the main cause I guess..
though actually blue nile is priced in AU$ and whitefish USD....

Unless I'm completely mistaken (always possible! ) a pointed culet and 'no culet' are the same thing - a culet is a facet cut at the bottom of a diamond, so if it is not cut, the bottom of a diamond is likely to come to a point or a 'keel', depending on stone shape

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I'd definitely choose the WF stone! Beautiful!

 

[flyingpig]

I don't know what JA and BN are doing recently. Their True Hearts and Astor stones are often priced higher than WF ACA and BG Signature stones. they must be really confident with their size and online market share

 

[AprilBaby]

An ACA can’t be beat in beauty!

 

[Dancing Fire]

I don't know what JA and BN are doing recently. Their True Hearts and Astor stones are often priced higher than WF ACA and BG Signature stones. they must be really confident with their size and online market share

Yup, strange.

 

[OoohShiny]

I don't know what JA and BN are doing recently. Their True Hearts and Astor stones are often priced higher than WF ACA and BG Signature stones. they must be really confident with their size and online market share

I guess they must be observing the higher prices (than 'standard' average cuts) achieved by WF, BG, etc. and thinking they want a slice of that pie, and that not everyone will be aware of PS and the various options available, so they can try their luck!

 

[Johnbt]

I suspect it's the corporate investors looking for a better return on their investment. Big business. But what do I know? I'm just some old retired guy with too much time on his hands after a another week on the beautiful Outer Banks of North Carolina.

John

P.S. - I didn't lose her engagement ring on the beach this time.
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[sledge]

Im late to the party, but this one is a no brainer. WF all the way!

While the BN stone has promising proportions and angles, the Astor Ideal label is more gimmick marketing than anything. They provide you a GEMEX report which is one of the less meaningful tools to evalaute true cut performance. Not to mention GIA uses 2D techniques to gain their measurements and then they round and average in a manner that is less reliant and precise. Where this gives me pause is the pavilion being 40.6 which is the floor we like to see. It's very likely actual individual pavilion measurements will result in angles less than 40.6. The question becomes at what magnitude and does it have a meaningful effect. Because you don't have an ASET or idealscope image to evaluate, we can't really say for sure.

Also while symmetry may be very good with the BN stone, the WF stone is a true hearts and arrow stone which is the best symmetry available.

Other strengths of the WF stone include an AGS cert which is better IMO and most here. The reason being is AGS uses an advanced 3D scan process to precisely measure each diamond it certifies. While they too average the multiple readings taken, they forego the funky rounding that GIA does. This results in values that are more precise and meaningful on the cert. Additionally the platinum reports (which WF provides) include a computer generated ASET on the cert. Of course WF provides an actual ASET as well. As a result of how AGS does their processes they are able to accurately provide an objective opinion about cut quality. In this case, the WF stone is an ideal 0 grade, which is the best available.

This isn't to say the BN stone may not come back as just a stellar stone if it were graded under AGS and had all the light return and symmetry images to back it up; however, that is a big IF and the fact you don't have this reassurance with the BN stone, get better color and save $2,000 in the process is why I believe WF is the only logical choice.

Not to mention their superb customer service and upgrade policies. And access to the Sarin report which will show all the individual measurements and is a dream for the technical minded like myself. Literally you get to have your cake and eat it too.