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Pricing a P-colored diamond, 1.068ct, VVS1...help!

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Three years ago my then-boyfriend (now husband) and I went looking for engagement rings. We decided to buy used because here in the UK there is a nearly 30% tax on new items. The jeweler told us that they only stock J-colored diamonds and higher, that ‘we wouldn’t want’ anything less. I also looked to vary the cut to save money- but most of the options out there were round-cut. The things that ‘we wouldn’t want’ inflated the price of the ring, of course. The final ring was far too large for my finger (they said that my finger would expand in summertime) and it sadly slipped off on a winter day never to be seen again. (Yes, it was insured but they won’t pay out unless you can prove you didn’t lose it at home.)

In the meantime I’ve developed a passion for gemmology and am considering doing a qualification in it.

It has taken three years to save up money for a new ring. I have a friend that teaches in a jewelry school in Italy, and sought his advice in picking out something new. He showed me several loose diamonds in sunlight, and I chose the one that was over a carat and looked to me to have a better cut than the others. I paid to get it certified, and it comes back as follows:

clarity: VVS1
carat weight: 1.068
cut quality: very good
shape-cut: round/brilliant
fluorescence: very strong.

Looks good, right? But wait…. Color: P….P. …P. P!

My eyeballs must suck because I NEVER would have guessed.

So many questions…

1) I know that color has NOTHING to do with quality- it has to do with rarity (which drives price). But certainly it seems to me that jewelers would do well to stock a range of colors as many women would prefer a larger carat size to a small colorless stone. Why is this not the case?

2) I’ve returned to the old shop to inquire as to how their gemologist values diamonds (especially once they’re already set), and they told me they don’t’ have any gemologist on duty! They are both diamond setters. Because most diamonds are not certified, does this mean they just charge what they think people are willing to spend?

3) Most importantly, how do I value my own lovely blonde stone? The diamond colour scale goes from A-Z, but I’ve found it incredibly difficult to find any prices past M…. It seems like N-Z diamonds should have a value too.

4) Someone has clearly spent some energy cutting this beautiful stone. That’s more than adequate in every other way. The N-Z range seems to be a bit of a dead place in the market. Is it only after cutting that color is discovered? Where do all the N-Z colored stones go? Presumably if the scale went past Z, colored diamonds would start to raise in price again. Is there a separate scale for colored diamonds?
 
You need to take it to an independent jewelry appraiser to get a $ amount on it.
 
How does it look in other lighting? Sunlight is for me the least lighting environment in which I look at my rings.
 
This just shows how jewellers in the U.K. always emphasise colour and clarity over anything else.

Have you looked at some of the sites that stock old cuts like OECs, such as Jewels by Grace, Love Affair Diamonds and Old World Diamonds? They often have much lower coloured stones which might give you more of a ball park figure to compare?

Who graded your stone, by the way? It would be nice to see some more parameters, angles etc in order to assess it properly.

Edited to add: just had a quick look, here’s an old round, Q VS1, http://oldworlddiamonds.com/diamond...WEIGHT&shape=EU&item=diamond&referer=diamonds for interest sake!
 
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Sounds like the fluorescence may benefit your stone's color by making the P look much whiter.
It also sounds like you have affection for the stone. Do you plan to make it yours?
Kind regards.
 
I'm so confused. Why are you trying to price it, to make an offer on it or do you already own it? Did you buy it, and then have it certified?
 
This thread needs pictures ;-)


Who did the grading report for the stone? GIA? AGS? Another company?
 
This just shows how jewellers in the U.K. always emphasise colour and clarity over anything else.

Have you looked at some of the sites that stock old cuts like OECs, such as Jewels by Grace, Love Affair Diamonds and Old World Diamonds? They often have much lower coloured stones which might give you more of a ball park figure to compare?

Who graded your stone, by the way? It would be nice to see some more parameters, angles etc in order to assess it properly.

Edited to add: just had a quick look, here’s an old round, Q VS1, http://oldworlddiamonds.com/diamond...WEIGHT&shape=EU&item=diamond&referer=diamonds for interest sake!

Awwwe, THANKS!!! I love these kind of sites!! This is perfect.
 
This thread needs pictures ;-)


Who did the grading report for the stone? GIA? AGS? Another company?

OoohShiny, I just did a mega post on the Rings forum... I'll post some pictures here but the grading was done by an Italian, in Italy, in the manner they do it. More on that below. I took your advice seriously and took a LOT of pictures today...
 
Dear all, I was so amazed by how quickly you responded that I just did a mega post in the Rings forum (mostly aimed at advising future brides, not focused on loose stones). I was afraid prospective buyers wouldn't come to a forum like this and it was super helpful when we were looking. ...There are a TON of pictures on the new post. highlighting what the lighting is and how the cert was done... If you'd like to take a look the post is called:

Lost engagement ring. Replacement. ...M-Z color, miner-cut, vintage, "savings", advice re loss.

I'll post some of the pictures that I took of the loose stones that then became a ring. I had the ring certified because I put a down-payment on the stone, and made the rest of the payment contingent on the stone coming back 'clean'. The seller didn't misrepresent the stone- it is indeed a lovely stone, nearly perfectly cut and perfectly sparkly... but of course he didn't mention the color was so far down the GIA chart and the flourescence. In the end I decided I could love the color. Here is a range of photos, but for complete explanation go to new post. I'll need a valuation to put it on the insurance. Ugh.

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THANKS for contributing. This community seems really warm. Not "D" warm, but more like a "Z". LOL.IMG_2059.jpg IMG_E2132.jpg IMG_1836.JPG IMG_2006.JPG
 
The color of this stone changes quite a bit depending on the light it's under... (see other post for complete details)...
 
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