PLEASE Help - GIA report Has Argyle inscription # but no inscription on diamond!

[pink diamond lover]

Ok, I got my diamond back, took some pictures, then finally had it put in a safety deposit box.

 

[pink diamond lover]

Around 95 percent of all pink diamonds were mined in Argyle.

Rarely pink and red are mined in Brazil - they are so extremely rare that they should get a premium and not Argyle.

Larger Pink stones are IIa (without nitrogen) and have a lighter color - Argyle pink are never larger than 5 ct.

Russian purple pinks are different and mostly easily to separate from the warmer colored australian diamond - sharp glide planes versus wavy graining.

So it is quite easy for a lab to tell with origin.

The problem imo is that the companies specialized in second market for Argyle diamonds in high color quality want the Argyle report and inscription course they need they higher prices to make profit. The mined diamonds are almost all still exist. And many will be available in the second market In the future.

Again, they are so easy to identify that there is no need for an Argyle report. A GIA report with medium to strong blue fluorescence - in the comment graining is perfect.

Many Argyle diamond offered from australian companies have a low color quality and are really overpriced.

Just my opinion…

Yeah, I don't understand why having the Argyle Certificate makes it more valuable when the diamond has the laser inscription right on the diamond and on the GIA Certificate and the mapping all match? There is NO question that it is an Argyle diamond.

 

[pink diamond lover]

A FWIW post ...

Pink Diamond Lover, I noticed the comment, "Internal Graining not show" on your GIA report.
My pink's GIA report has the same comment so I googled internal graining and couldn't find much info, let alone a pic.
So I inspected mine carefully and spotted it, and took the below pic.

I was surprised how pronounced it was when looking into either of the short sides because looking into the top it's 100% invisible.
It looks like thin layers of dark pink running through a transparent pink lollypop.

I suspect the cutter planned the orientation of the stone putting the strong pink graining lines in the diagonal with respect to the top.
That results in the strongest color saturation when viewed from the top - which is the way the way GIA grades color in FCDs.
(In D-Z diamonds it grades color looking into the pavilion.)

I wonder whether you can see the graining in yours.

I am not sure Kenny. I don't have anything that can enlarge it like you do.

 

[kenny]

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I wonder whether you can see the graining in yours.

I am not sure Kenny. I don't have anything that can enlarge it like you do.

Understandable.

I think you stated that after they removed your pink from its setting they showed you the Argyle inscription under a microscope.
If you took it back the graining should be visible under that microscope.
Look into the short sides, actually I'd look into all four sides.

Be sure the tweezers are not hand-held.
It would be too shaky at high magnification to see the graining well.
Their microscope probably has a clip to hold the stone to keep the it steady.

Don't bother doing this for me.
Do it for yourself, if you like.

If the jeweler could take pics of the graining with their microscope I'd love to see them posted here.
But at this point I'd understand if you'd prefer to leave it in your safe deposit box and just relax.

 

[Ibrakeforpossums]

Leibish sold me an pink with Argyle's laser inscription on the girdle.
GIA graded it 0.27 ct., VVS1 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink, but Argyle graded it pure pink (P3).
Pricescope chose my pic to include in their Education section on FCDs, in their pink article.

Pink Diamonds

High-quality pink diamonds command extremely high prices, second only to red diamonds – the rarest of all fancy colors.

www.pricescope.com

Being a macrophotographer geek, I managed to get a pic of the girdle inscription.



Perhaps I may be able measure the width of the inscription, and I do mean perhaps.
These things are tiny and I don't have a stereo microscope with a dial caliper stage for precisemeasurement of such things.
If I could tell you the width of the inscription (assuming your Argyle number also has 6 digits and the A icon like mine) you may find that your prongs (if you can manage to measure them with a calipers) are wider.
If so, your Argyle inscription may be hidden by a prong.

I'll give this measurement a go, and post later.

You may already have this but here's the link to Argyle's website's Authentication page, where you enter the Argyle number and it tells you Argyle's grading of the stone.

Argyle Pink Diamonds Gem Identification and Authenticity

Track your Argyle Pink Diamond. Each is inscribed with unique number to assure you of its verified chain of custody from the mine to your point of purchase. Check for your Argyle Pink Diamonds Gem Identification document.

argylepinkdiamonds.com.au

As always with competent labs, grades may not match perfectly (but of course should be very close).
For instance GIA graded my emerald cut VVS1 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink.
Argyle graded it pure pink (P3) and VVS2.
All other parameters matched.
I point this out because it addresses the assumption some folks make that all specs must match exactly.+

I can't believe how saturated that color is. Spectacular.

 

[kenny]

Thanks.

 

[Nosean]

This is an interesting link and maybe helpful.

https://www.gemresearch.ch/assets/documents/publication-articles/pink-diamonds-for-ica-32-41-pink-gemologypdf-2-1.pdf

 

[AnnaEsme]

PDL, I am so glad it worked out for you.

A truly beautiful diamond.

 

[caolsen]

" I would definitely mount it with the crown pointing up then."

Of course!
Anyone mounting it would set it the usual way with the table up not culet up.
I bought it long ago, maybe 12 years, and it's still loose and I doubt I'll ever set it.
Again, graining is invisible in the top view.

"Does the color-zoning go all the way through the stone? Is the pattern the same from the other short end?"

Color zoning is something else.
This is graining.

If I have the time when I get home I can look at the other end of the stone, but IIRC the answer is yes.

"Are there really only two facets on each long side?"

Huh?
You wrote, "Two facets on each long side." ???
I don't know what you mean.
The cut is just regular old emerald.

The graining is not an inclusion or clarity issue.
GIA graded it VVS1 for this circled natural on the girdle.
If I ever sell it I might get this polished off to get an IF or F clarity grade.



Here's a better pic of natural on girdle ...

Fabulous photos!

 

[Mreader]

I got sucked into this saga and just wondered how you are @pink diamond lover. Did you hold onto the stone or sell it?

 

[pink diamond lover]

I got sucked into this saga and just wondered how you are @pink diamond lover. Did you hold onto the stone or sell it?

It is going in a public tender in Australia very soon. I will be sure to update on here when it sells. I really miss it. Is such a beautiful stone!

 

[Mrs_Strizzle]

It is going in a public tender in Australia very soon. I will be sure to update on here when it sells. I really miss it. Is such a beautiful stone!

I'm curious to know why you sent it to Australia vs somewhere in North America? Isn't the Australian money at a poor exchange now vs the USD? I'm not trying to be negative, just curious and interested if you can teach me something about selling pink fcds. I have a similar colored diamond as yours but it is a little bit smaller (.36ct I wanna say? Gotta get my scale back out). I bought it in 2004 and have no paperwork on it, as it was bought from a private seller. I had a bracelet made a few years ago with some of my fcds with my .51ct pink in the center. It has a GIA but no Argyle.

 

[pink diamond lover]

I'm curious to know why you sent it to Australia vs somewhere in North America? Isn't the Australian money at a poor exchange now vs the USD? I'm not trying to be negative, just curious and interested if you can teach me something about selling pink fcds. I have a similar colored diamond as yours but it is a little bit smaller (.36ct I wanna say? Gotta get my scale back out). I bought it in 2004 and have no paperwork on it, as it was bought from a private seller. I had a bracelet made a few years ago with some of my fcds with my .51ct pink in the center. It has a GIA but no Argyle.

I didn't really find an good interest from the US otherwise i would have. The nice thing about a tender is the price you can be variable depending on interest. I also found someone i built trust with in Australia. If you want to know more about the tender check out yourdiamond.com. I am dealing with Karen Lindley. I can give you more information if you are interested.

 

[kenny]

I'm not a gambler.
I'm just a born skeptic.
So I can't help but wonder, if it sells how do you verify the final sale price wasn't actually higher than they tell you it was?
Is there some entity, like a truly independent accounting firm, verifying everything?

If not, their business model has at least the appearance of a conflict of interest.
There's a lot of money at stake for there to be no oversight.

 

[pink diamond lover]

I'm not a gambler.
I'm just a born skeptic.
So I can't help but wonder, if it sells how do you verify the final sale price wasn't actually higher than they tell you it was?
Is there some entity, like a truly independent accounting firm, verifying everything?

If not, their business model has at least the appearance of a conflict of interest.
There's a lot of money at stake for there to be no oversight.

The only thing i guess is they make a commission for how much it sells for and my trust in the person who is selling it for me. Their is a minimum set, which i have agreed to. If i get that i will be ok with it.

 

[kenny]

The only thing i guess is they make a commission for how much it sells for and my trust in the person who is selling it for me. Their is a minimum set, which i have agreed to. If i get that i will be ok with it.

Thanks.
So all they have to pay you is that agreed-to minimum regardless of how much they sell it for?
Or, if it sells at a high price do you still get that minimum or a larger amount?
If so, what percentage split do you and the company get 50/50, 80/20 etc.?

... and if the highest bid is not high enough to give you your minimum (and whatever profit they are willing to settle for) they send your stone back to you ... all at zero cost to you?

I'm curious about the fine print.

 

[pink diamond lover]

Thanks.
So all they have to pay you is that agreed-to minimum regardless of how much they sell it for?
Or, if it sells at a high price do you still get that minimum or a larger amount?
If so, what percentage split do you and the company get 50/50, 80/20 etc.?

... and if the highest bid is not high enough to give you your minimum (and whatever profit they are willing to settle for) they send your stone back to you ... all at zero cost to you?

I'm curious about the fine print.

If it sells for higher than the min i get whatever it sells for - commission. You should check out the website https://yourdiamonds.com/

From what i can see they are much better than many others i checked out. 10% is the commission which i find very reasonable. They are willing to keep it insured and secured for me for as long as it takes to sell with NO added cost which is a big deal to me because i couldn't afford to insure it so i no longer felt safe wearing it. As long as i don't request it back there are no additional charges. Plus i really trust Karen Lindley. She is well known and a truly wonderful person!
Karen Lindley AM, is a qualified Gemmologist (1982) and registered NCJV valuer.

For more than 40 years Karen conducted a boutique business in the Sydney CBD operating as a bespoke jeweller and wholesale gemstone merchant prior to the recent sale of her business to a local third generation family jeweller.

Karen has been active in industry associations and has served, on the Board of the Jewellers Association of Australia, the Gemmological Association Committee and was a former Chair of the Australian Gem Industry Association. She has held several external private and Government Board positions. She received the Distinguished Service Award from the Jewellery Industry in 2020 and the Member Of The Order of Australia (AM) in the Queens Birthday Honours of 2021 for services to the jewellery Industry and social welfare initiatives.

 

[pink diamond lover]

Thanks.
So all they have to pay you is that agreed-to minimum regardless of how much they sell it for?
Or, if it sells at a high price do you still get that minimum or a larger amount?
If so, what percentage split do you and the company get 50/50, 80/20 etc.?

... and if the highest bid is not high enough to give you your minimum (and whatever profit they are willing to settle for) they send your stone back to you ... all at zero cost to you?

I'm curious about the fine print.

 

[pink diamond lover]

YourDiamonds Terms and Conditions - YourDiamonds

Your Diamonds Terms & Conditions Buyer Terms The Tender Terms and Tender Bid Form for a Buyer in the Pink Diamonds Tender. View Tender Terms View Tender Bid Form Seller Terms The Seller Terms for the Pink Diamonds Tender. View Seller Terms Terms of Subscription Terms of Subscription to the Apps...

yourdiamonds.com

Here are all the terms and conditions for both buyer and seller. Should answer most of your questions. I am sure if it wasn't for my trust in Karen, i wouldn't have been brave enough to send my diamond to Australia.

The tender closes mid August so if anyone else is interested in putting their pink diamond in the tender i would do it asap! Tell Karen or Tim Shelley recommended them . If you have anymore questions please don't hesitate to ask. I will update the forum when it sells and may even let you know what it sold for

 

[arkieb1]

Hi, I am an Aussie - Lindley's is a VERY well known high end jewellery store in Australia that specialises in pink diamonds. If they are the people purchasing the stone you are in good hands.

I hope you don't mind if I thread jack a little bit and tell a pink diamond story. I have four small light pinky champagne diamonds given to me by my father in law who for many years owned a rock crystal and gemstone store in Australia. He recently passed away aged 90. He told me he purchased the diamonds from an old Aboriginal (Indigenous Australian) guy who cut gems and used to prospect all different types of Australian gemstones, and said he found them many years beforehand from the place where the Argyle mines are. Argyle bought the area in 1979 at the time I remember the stones were mostly non white colours, no-one wanted brown diamonds, and not thought to be of any significant value and as such it was not until 1983 when they started full commercial mining, production and heavy marketing of the wonderful pinks, blues, reds, and later champagnes and cognacs that come from there that the Argyle diamond as we know it was born.

I will probably set the small light pinky champagne diamonds in a band one day and I have no reason to doubt their origin is true. So it is possible I own 4 tiny light pink/champagne Argyle diamonds from a time before certificates, before numbers, and before the world even considered them valuable at all.

 

[Mrsz1ppy]

Hi, I am an Aussie - Lindley's is a VERY well known high end jewellery store in Australia that specialises in pink diamonds. If they are the people purchasing the stone you are in good hands.

I hope you don't mind if I thread jack a little bit and tell a pink diamond story. I have four small light pink diamonds given to me by my father in law who for many years owned a rock crystal and gemstone store in Australia. He recently passed away aged 90. He told me he purchased the diamonds from an old Aboriginal (Indigenous Australian) guy who cut gems and used to prospect all different types of Australian gemstones, and said he found them many years beforehand from the place where the Argyle mines are. Argyle bought the area in 1979 at the time I remember the stones were mostly non white colours, no-one wanted brown diamonds, and not thought to be of any significant value and as such it was not until 1983 when they started full commercial mining, production and heavy marketing of the wonderful pinks, blues, reds, and later champagnes and cognacs that come from there that the Argyle diamond as we know it was born.

I will probably set the small light pink diamonds in a band one day and I have no reason to doubt their origin is true. So it is possible I own 4 tiny light pink Argyle diamonds from a time before certificates, before numbers, and before the world even considered them valuable at all.

Great story! Thanks for sharing

 

[Mrsz1ppy]

YourDiamonds Terms and Conditions - YourDiamonds

Your Diamonds Terms & Conditions Buyer Terms The Tender Terms and Tender Bid Form for a Buyer in the Pink Diamonds Tender. View Tender Terms View Tender Bid Form Seller Terms The Seller Terms for the Pink Diamonds Tender. View Seller Terms Terms of Subscription Terms of Subscription to the Apps...

yourdiamonds.com

Here are all the terms and conditions for both buyer and seller. Should answer most of your questions. I am sure if it wasn't for my trust in Karen, i wouldn't have been brave enough to send my diamond to Australia.

The tender closes mid August so if anyone else is interested in putting their pink diamond in the tender i would do it asap! Tell Karen or Tim Shelley recommended them . If you have anymore questions please don't hesitate to ask. I will update the forum when it sells and may even let you know what it sold for

Best of luck for an awesome sale. I have followed your story and cheered you on!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Hi, I am an Aussie - Lindley's is a VERY well known high end jewellery store in Australia that specialises in pink diamonds. If they are the people purchasing the stone you are in good hands.

I hope you don't mind if I thread jack a little bit and tell a pink diamond story. I have four small light pinky champagne diamonds given to me by my father in law who for many years owned a rock crystal and gemstone store in Australia. He recently passed away aged 90. He told me he purchased the diamonds from an old Aboriginal (Indigenous Australian) guy who cut gems and used to prospect all different types of Australian gemstones, and said he found them many years beforehand from the place where the Argyle mines are. Argyle bought the area in 1979 at the time I remember the stones were mostly non white colours, no-one wanted brown diamonds, and not thought to be of any significant value and as such it was not until 1983 when they started full commercial mining, production and heavy marketing of the wonderful pinks, blues, reds, and later champagnes and cognacs that come from there that the Argyle diamond as we know it was born.

I will probably set the small light pinky champagne diamonds in a band one day and I have no reason to doubt their origin is true. So it is possible I own 4 tiny light pink/champagne Argyle diamonds from a time before certificates, before numbers, and before the world even considered them valuable at all.

Great story. If anyone is interested my friend Ewen Tyler features almost as an biography in the book about the discovery of Argyle.
Ewen started the search in 1969 and is today 94 and as sharp as a tack.

Server Busy

The book launch was in my store along with all the key players including Australia's most famous historian.

 

[pink diamond lover]

Hi, I am an Aussie - Lindley's is a VERY well known high end jewellery store in Australia that specialises in pink diamonds. If they are the people purchasing the stone you are in good hands.

I hope you don't mind if I thread jack a little bit and tell a pink diamond story. I have four small light pinky champagne diamonds given to me by my father in law who for many years owned a rock crystal and gemstone store in Australia. He recently passed away aged 90. He told me he purchased the diamonds from an old Aboriginal (Indigenous Australian) guy who cut gems and used to prospect all different types of Australian gemstones, and said he found them many years beforehand from the place where the Argyle mines are. Argyle bought the area in 1979 at the time I remember the stones were mostly non white colours, no-one wanted brown diamonds, and not thought to be of any significant value and as such it was not until 1983 when they started full commercial mining, production and heavy marketing of the wonderful pinks, blues, reds, and later champagnes and cognacs that come from there that the Argyle diamond as we know it was born.

I will probably set the small light pinky champagne diamonds in a band one day and I have no reason to doubt their origin is true. So it is possible I own 4 tiny light pink/champagne Argyle diamonds from a time before certificates, before numbers, and before the world even considered them valuable at all.

I appreciate the story!! I would love to see what you get those diamonds set in one day!!

 

[pink diamond lover]

Best of luck for an awesome sale. I have followed your story and cheered you on!

Thank you so much! I appreciate your interest!

 

[yssie]

Great story. If anyone is interested my friend Ewen Tyler features almost as an biography in the book about the discovery of Argyle.
Ewen started the search in 1969 and is today 94 and as sharp as a tack.

Server Busy

The book launch was in my store along with all the key players including Australia's most famous historian.

Bought and am looking forward to reading, thanks for the rec!

 

[pink diamond lover]

I'm so glad that this had a happy ending, and also glad that the OP didn't suddenly disappear at the end, never to update us to what happened - I hate it when that happens

I hate that 2 lol. If you are going to get people's interest with a story, it needs to have an ending lol.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

I hate that 2 lol. If you are going to get people's interest with a story, it needs to have an ending lol.

Not sure anyone told you why the laser inscription is not there?
Most of the earlier Argyle diamonds were polished under the supervision of salaried cutters bought to Perth who had no idea how to polish fancy colored diamonds.
As a result a large percentage of stones Argyle sold were repolished and sometimes any Argyle laser inscriptions were polished off.
It is possible your stone was graded as it was and then resubmitted after the cut and grade was improved with the original report number and the laser number left on the report.

 

[pink diamond lover]

Not sure anyone told you why the laser inscription is not there?
Most of the earlier Argyle diamonds were polished under the supervision of salaried cutters bought to Perth who had no idea how to polish fancy colored diamonds.
As a result a large percentage of stones Argyle sold were repolished and sometimes any Argyle laser inscriptions were polished off.
It is possible your stone was graded as it was and then resubmitted after the cut and grade was improved with the original report number and the laser number left on the report.

The inscription WAS there lol. It was under a claw.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

The inscription WAS there lol. It was under a claw.

Hilarious