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Please confirm this is a non-branded "criss cut" diamond

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D&T

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I happen to like different shapes and cut and whatever colored diamonds, and have been collecting them here and there, I've seen a crisscut over 7 years ago and have always thought of it in the back of my mind... I just so happen to find maybe one upon JA site.... GIA described it as a "Cut Cornered Rectangular Modified Brilliant" The crisscut diamonds I have seen has been notated in the additional information "CrissCut". However, I've been hesitant to buy for the premium upcharge... anyone want to confirm my finding that it "appears" as a non-branded crisscut please? or is this a "scissor" like cut? I'm not sure? Its on its way to me so excited!

1.79 K color VVS1 size is 8.13 x 5.98 x 4.17

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The table on this is larger than the depth, but its a bit of a rare and unusual facet pattern.
 
Beautiful diamond! :love: I guess there aren’t any notations for inscriptions? It kinda looks like one to me but I am no expert.
 
the_mother_thing said:
Beautiful diamond! :love: I guess there aren’t any notations for inscriptions? It kinda looks like one to me but I am no expert.
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it was lumped into their "radiant" section, but you know how we go around calling a squared step cut an "asscher" even though its a "branded" term... but I need something short to be able to tell those who ask what kind of a cut and not a long explanation of why its not a "crisscut" but it IS KWIM?
 
yes
Possibly traded back into the trade and the inscription removed.
There is also a chance its a clone.
 
Looks like you found one! I had found a Victorian cut a few years back I didn't end up getting. Sometimes you get lucky on JA site. LOL
 
D&T said:
it was lumped into their "radiant" section, but you know how we go around calling a squared step cut an "asscher" even though its a "branded" term... but I need something short to be able to tell those who ask what kind of a cut and not a long explanation of why its not a "crisscut" but it IS KWIM?
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asscher has been used so much and not defended as a trademark that is is open to anyone to use.
"Royal Asscher" on the other hand is an active trademark.
 
ccuheartnurse said:
Looks like you found one! I had found a Victorian cut a few years back I didn't end up getting. Sometimes you get lucky on JA site. LOL
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oooh is this a victorian cut? image courtesy of google: its gorgeous! Yes, there was one time I found an OEC but at the time, I wasn't looking for one. The crisscut was one that I've always wanted one, and even had a few on my ebay watch list that I keep thinking I'll "commit" but always backed out
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oooh, I love this! I've been oogling over the "unmentionable" criss-cuts. They are so pretty!
 
This also has a small culet, probably cant see the image... but :love:
 
D&T said:
I'm ok with Clone :D since that means the premium markup is not there.
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The more I think about it,its a very low volume stone so it is not a huge target for cloning.
But there is just no way to tell for sure other than someone checking the chrisscut database for those dimensions and color/clarity.
 
Karl_K said:
The more I think about it,its a very low volume stone so it is not a huge target for cloning.
But there is just no way to tell for sure other than someone checking the chrisscut database for those dimensions and color/clarity.
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The GIA is fairly recent mid 2018. Could a cutting house reject it due to possible cutting parameters not meeting their "strict" specifications?
 
D&T said:
The GIA is fairly recent mid 2018. Could a cutting house reject it due to possible cutting parameters not meeting their "strict" specifications?
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That does happen but its not common.
Most problems can be fixed.
What also happens is these stones belonged to a jeweler\wholesaler that goes under and the liquidator does not have permission to use the trademark so they just remove the inscription from the diamond and get a new report and pass it on.
 
I like it! Can't wait to see it!
 
D&T said:
Thanks DD! I'm excited to finally own one and on my finger! How's your project coming along?
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Have you ever seen this cut in person before? I think its super interesting, but I have never seen a scissor cut. I love them in pictures.

I have my diamonds, just gathering inspiration images now :cool2:
 
D&T said:
wait...what there is this cut as well? off to google:mrgreen2:
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Just posted videos in the fashion jewelry section (a vendor sent them). So pretty!!!!
 
Oooooo. I’ve seen cut corner scissors in gemstones, but not in a diamond. Browsing JA for unusual cuts (in fancy colors) is one of my favorite pastimes :lol: you never know how they are going to categorize them, so sometimes it’s a surprise seeing them.

Came across these two stones last year that way. It’s always a surprise to find open culet stones on there.
https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l.../cushion-cut/0.71-carat-if-clarity-sku-273216

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...ushion-cut/1.01-carat-vs1-clarity-sku-3288564
 
hobbitfancier55 said:
Oooooo. I’ve seen cut corner scissors in gemstones, but not in a diamond. Browsing JA for unusual cuts (in fancy colors) is one of my favorite pastimes :lol: you never know how they are going to categorize them, so sometimes it’s a surprise seeing them.

Came across these two stones last year that way. It’s always a surprise to find open culet stones on there.
https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l.../cushion-cut/0.71-carat-if-clarity-sku-273216

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...ushion-cut/1.01-carat-vs1-clarity-sku-3288564
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Hahaha are you me?? I have the same hobby, except with all low color/brown stones.
 
So excited for you! My ashoka was under 0.50ct asschers. The Gia papers list ashoka in the comments section. Maybe a trademarked name is on your diamond’s cert. too?
 
hobbitfancier55 said:
Oooooo. I’ve seen cut corner scissors in gemstones, but not in a diamond. Browsing JA for unusual cuts (in fancy colors) is one of my favorite pastimes :lol: you never know how they are going to categorize them, so sometimes it’s a surprise seeing them.

Came across these two stones last year that way. It’s always a surprise to find open culet stones on there.
https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l.../cushion-cut/0.71-carat-if-clarity-sku-273216

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...ushion-cut/1.01-carat-vs1-clarity-sku-3288564
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Both of those make me wonder if @diagem sells a few stones via JA!
 
D&T said:
it was lumped into their "radiant" section, but you know how we go around calling a squared step cut an "asscher" even though its a "branded" term... but I need something short to be able to tell those who ask what kind of a cut and not a long explanation of why its not a "crisscut" but it IS KWIM?
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JA were offering 3 or 4 of these last year. They were just around the carat mark from recollection but not very eye clean in the videos. Enchanted were also offering a couple (possibly the same stones) and when I enquired about them they were clear that these were similar to crisscuts but not actual crisscuts.

Hope this helps =)2
 
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D&T said:
oooh is this a victorian cut? image courtesy of google: its gorgeous! Yes, there was one time I found an OEC but at the time, I wasn't looking for one. The crisscut was one that I've always wanted one, and even had a few on my ebay watch list that I keep thinking I'll "commit" but always backed out
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That’s it exactly. The Criscuts or scissor cuts as people are calling them, have more going on under the table than the Victorian cut.
 
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I've seen crusscuts at a local store a few times and they look a tad different to me (busier, more verical lines)... I think anyone could purchase this without feeling weird about it. I could be wrong or it could be the angle of the photo but this looks not quite the same to me.

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Well whatever it is.. a mix? victorian/scissor with less facet seems very interesting to me. it is less busy facet pattern, its not anywhere this tinted as my phone makes it to be. but I like it, different! its off to DK to be set.

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D&T said:
Well whatever it is.. a mix? victorian/scissor with less facet seems very interesting to me. it is less busy facet pattern, its not anywhere this tinted as my phone makes it to be. but I like it, different! its off to DK to be set.

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yay, I love it!
 
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