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Jennifee

Jennifee

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I've been working with IDJ for awhile now.... Have thrown out a couple options already this just presented me with this one. I don't know if I can get past the bowtie also what do you make of the ASET and Ideal Scope? I think so far they are the best out of what I've seen but could be better.... It has been recommended to me to check out the August Vintage ovals and I have but there doesn't seem to be anything there that meets my budget/ desired size... Maybe I should just wait though.
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I'd wait if I were you. I can't get past the bow tie.
 
I am far from an expert but IMHO the bowtie in ovals is caused by the elongated facets in the belly of the oval due to the shape of the cut. You can find ovals with minimal bowties but unless the cut is changed like Opulence Ovals the underlying cause for bowties remain. I had a marquise but found the bowtie to generally be brighter than the rest of the diamond.
 
That one isn’t my favorite either. What are your size and budget requirements?
 
I am not an oval expert either but that bowtie would bother me. You can always ask Jonathan at August Vintage if they will be getting anything in certain ranges. I think they will custom cut too.
 
I would definitely reach out to August Vintage and see if they can custom cut one or will have a larger stone coming in. Nothing lost by asking. Really lovely ring idea too.
 
elizat said:
I would definitely reach out to August Vintage and see if they can custom cut one or will have a larger stone coming in. Nothing lost by asking. Really lovely ring idea too.
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I will! Thank you! I never really liked a halos until I saw this!
 
Jennifee said:
I or higher
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I’ll look a bit. If you hate the bow tie (I don’t blame you, I do too), it would be worth talking to Jon about cutting one. However you may have to compromise on size a little bit since his stones face up smaller than average ovals to help with their light performance.

ETA: Come to think of it, he could help anyway since he’s still doing concierge services! Even if you don’t end up with an opulence oval, I’m sure he could help you find a super nice one.
 
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Hi Jeniffee, I know you’re probably frustrated but I would pass on this one too. I preferred the larger of the last two you looked at to this one.

All traditional ovals will have some trace of a bow tie, you have to decide your tolerance.

I hate to say it but if you can’t compromise on cut you might have to consider plan B, such as a smaller stone but more expensive per carat such as an Opulance where you might be able to go to a K. Or maybe a smaller stone with a halo?
 
You have a very good budget for what you are looking for! You will no doubt find a beautiful stone. Please hold out. So, Jon’s will face up smaller as his tend to have higher depths. I LOVE big/size but that’s personal:lol: I have a suggestion... Sam at Ice Rock has an amazing eye and can get you stones for very competitive prices. He is really into fancy cuts, check him out!

Also... SI1 or even 2 is very doable in ovals and could still be eye clean. I would definitely try for that clarity to save some money.
 
princessandthepear said:
I am far from an expert but IMHO the bowtie in ovals is caused by the elongated facets in the belly of the oval due to the shape of the cut. You can find ovals with minimal bowties but unless the cut is changed like Opulence Ovals the underlying cause for bowties remain. I had a marquise but found the bowtie to generally be brighter than the rest of the diamond.
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If minimizing bow tie is the priority search for this type of pavilion faceting:
https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/1.50-carat-k-color-si1-clarity-sku-6262181
5AD696B0-D310-4F7E-83C8-85B9974FC8ED.jpeg

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/3.01-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-sku-6310563
7681EB93-1FD3-4E77-A077-5C00F7FC5054.jpeg

Rather than this type (horizontal mains):
https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/1.52-carat-e-color-i1-clarity-sku-6006414
E0F6E861-27FA-4DE8-95D4-17F57E56EDE3.jpeg

Note - not recommending either stone, simply for patterning example. Different types of cut - both available non-branded though.


The bow tie is caused by obstruction - same root cause as those black arrows that are generally beloved in RBs. They are virtual facets (primary retractions) that are both very large and positioned for shortest path length (amount of stone material a given light path must travel through before coming back out the top) - they will be some of the whitest and brightest and most lively facets on the stone throughout all lighting types.
 
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That James Allen stone cited above looks really nice.
 
princessandthepear said:
I am far from an expert but IMHO the bowtie in ovals is caused by the elongated facets in the belly of the oval due to the shape of the cut. You can find ovals with minimal bowties but unless the cut is changed like Opulence Ovals the underlying cause for bowties remain. I had a marquise but found the bowtie generally be brighter than the rest of the diamond.
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Ding, ding, ding...Its sort of a double edge sword. The "bow-tie" area is an area with good light return that quickly flows into an area of not so
good light return (bigger facets into smaller facets). You want to maximize the area of good light return. If the bow-tie is wide it will look more like angle wings. I have seen good and bad ovals in all different faceting patterns of ovals (4 mains to 10 mains).

@Lovesparklesparle and @yssie have pointed out stones that have nice faceting pattern. I'll look around some to see if I can find anything. That 3.02
is pretty nice IMO.
 
@Jennifee that IDJ stone has the bowtie-avoiding facet pattern I highlighted above:
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I think it is quite a nice stone actually.

You are going to have an extremely difficult time avoiding that sort of directional gradient of brightness + obstruction that bisects the stone (even Opulence Ovals display this effect - it’s simply what happens when there is a clear axis of symmetry bisecting the mains, whether that’s lengthwise or widthwise) without going in the opposite direction - often called “crushed ice” on here. “Crushed ice” stones aren’t well-regarded on here - the reputation is unfair and undeserved: some are beautiful, glittery, twinkly stones, others are dull doozies. Just like with any other faceting type.

My suggestions: reach out to both AVC and David at DiamondsByLauren and see what they can pull up for you. You have a healthy budget and those two vendors are experts at finding/designing specific types of stones to suit specific needs ::)
 
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leukolenos said:
I’ll look a bit. If you hate the bow tie (I don’t blame you, I do too), it would be worth talking to Jon about cutting one. However you may have to compromise on size a little bit since his stones face up smaller than average ovals to help with their light performance.

ETA: Come to think of it, he could help anyway since he’s still doing concierge services! Even if you don’t end up with an opulence oval, I’m sure he could help you find a super nice one.
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Awesome! I will definitely contact him!
 
Are you working with Yuketiel or someone else at IDJ?
 
yssie said:
If minimizing bow tie is the priority search for this type of pavilion faceting:
https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/1.50-carat-k-color-si1-clarity-sku-6262181
5AD696B0-D310-4F7E-83C8-85B9974FC8ED.jpeg

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/3.01-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-sku-6310563
7681EB93-1FD3-4E77-A077-5C00F7FC5054.jpeg

Rather than this type (horizontal mains):
https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/1.52-carat-e-color-i1-clarity-sku-6006414
E0F6E861-27FA-4DE8-95D4-17F57E56EDE3.jpeg

Note - not recommending either stone, simply for patterning example. Different types of cut - both available non-branded though.


The bow tie is caused by obstruction - same root cause as those black arrows that are generally beloved in RBs. They are virtual facets (primary retractions) that are both very large and positioned for shortest path length (amount of stone material a given light path must travel through before coming back out the top) - they will be some of the whitest and brightest and most lively facets on the stone throughout all lighting types.
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Thank you! This is super helpful!
 
tyty333 said:
Are you working with Yuketiel or someone else at IDJ?
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I am working with Lisa. Previously I had worked with Joey for my 4ct RB XXX, who was amazing but I believe she is on maternity leave.
 
Here is another video:
 
Can you let us know what the specs are if this stone? GIA report, that will help:)

I like it in the last video... lively. The bow tie will be evident sometimes. I would unfortunately have to see it in person to know if it was truly glaring.
 
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