Opinions on my diamond proportions please...

[Gnoble]

I would love some opinions on my 1.10 carat vvs2 color I diamond. I am obsessing over all these diamond facts and am a bit overwhelmed and would like to make sure I did ok. I paid $4900 and change for this diamond. Sparkle is what I love, I just want to make sure this diamond will perform the way it should based on measurements. Thank you for your thoughts.

 

[flyingpig]

Objectively speaking, HCA score of the diamond is 4.6. Most like a score less than 2.0
https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca

The proportions potentially qualify for AGS 2 (very good). Most like AGS 0 (ideal)
https://agslab.com/docs/pbcg/AGSLProportionCharts.pdf

What is the cut grade?? If it is at least very good, and you paid less than 5k, then.. that's more than reasonable.
I would not buy that stone for myself, but the price is great for GIA 1.1 I VVS2 regardless of the cut grade.

Did you pay a fair price? Yes
Will the light performance ideal?? Most likely, NO

 

[Gnoble]

The cut grade was GIA excellent. Is it going to be a noticeable difference or will it be a small difference as far as brilliance? I like that it's a little larger than o was guessing I could afford and wouldn't want to go below a carat now that I have this size. I guess I'm wondering if I should return the diamond and look for something better or if over all I should be pleased with it.

 

[Dancing Fire]

a little bit too deep at 62.6%.

 

[JDDN]

It's a bit of a steep deep diamond so it will face up smaller than a better cut diamond of the same carat weight. Not knowing the actual dimensions I can't tell you if it will face up like a 0.9 carat or a 0.95 carat for example. A 1.11 carat I, VVS2 on Bluenile is $5128 so I think you did about average on price.

If you love it and it sparkles the way you like, then keep it. If you want to compare it to a really well cut diamond then you may see a difference in performance and that may bother you, but only you can be the judge of that.

 

[flyingpig]

You may want to see it for yourself.

"GIX X with AGS 1" vs "GIA X with AGS 0"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7C0A1Ck0IE

Your stone is potentially "GIA X with AGS 2". And it barely makes to GIA X.
http://www.diamondcut.gia.edu/pdfs/booklet_cut_estimation_tables_lowres.pdf

Here are another videos on cut.
GIA Excellent vs GIA Very Good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJh5SH5fg3I

The GOG channel has some good videos. Check them out.

5k should get you an ideal cut 1.0 carat I VS2/SI1, which is not an easy find now, because 5k is popular, 1 carat is popular, I is popular and VS2 is popular.... and Valentine day is coming.....

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Here's some help...parameters to stay in to be in the better part of the GIA range...

table: 54-58

depth: 60-62.3 (too deep results in smaller diameter)

crown angle: 34-35.0

pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9

The depth, crown,and pavilion angles are problematic on that diamond. Is it too late to return it and start over? It is so much better when people come here before buying rather than after.

 

[Gnoble]

If I return it now it's not to late. Unfortunately I didn't know you all until I obsessively started trying to learn about diamonds. I don't have to have a diamond right this second so I can wait until the right one comes along. It's actually a replacement diamond engagement ring from mine being stolen. It's been a very emotional process which has lead to me obsessing over having the perfect stone. I stated researching and thought I was doing ok only to now have found you guys and getting nervous. Let me see what I can do. Thank you all for the help.

 

[Gnoble]

The size measurements on my diamond are as follows: 6.55x6.58 x4.11mm

 

[JDDN]

I will say that if you are becoming obsessive about having a perfect stone, then return it and let us help you find another one. If you compare it to a really well cut diamond you may not be happy. But again, only you can decide. Honestly, take your time to find the right stone. It'll be so worth it!

 

[Gnoble]

Ok so the origional stone was purchased from Blue Nile and I have reached out to them to do an exchange or refund. It might be easier for me to just do an exchange even though I know Blue Nile isn't the preferred vender on these sites . The customer service rep I have been dealing with has sent me a couple other choices within my budget, if you all could give me opinions on them that would be great. Or if anyone wants to help me out with an independent search that would be most appreciated. My budget is up to around $5000 can be a little higher. I would like no less than a carat but as big for the money with no less than I color, eye clean, and no more than medium flour (I obsessed over having high flour on this one). I will put the links on the 3 diamonds he sent to me please let me know your thoughts.

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD06560095

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD06553332

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05685266

I hope I posted those correctly it's my first time posting a link on here. I really really really appreciate everyone's help tremendously. This has been a really crazy process for me. But I have really enjoyed learning about diamonds!

 

[Gnoble]

I plugged all three into the holloway cut adviser and both the 1.13carat and 1.11 carat scored excellent. I.13 was a 1.7 and the 1.11 was a 1.5. I'm leaning towards the 1.11 carat because it also had a vvs2 clarity and I don't think visually the 1.13 is going to be a big enough impact to spend a little more money and was only a vs2 clarity. The only other difference was that the 1.11 has a medium blue flour and the 1.13 has none. Interested to get others opinions. Unless everyone surprises me and I'm missing something I don't think the 1.14 is much better than what I have so I think I'm counting it out. Again, thank you all for your advice.

 

[Andelain]

Steep/deep.

 

[flyingpig]

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?stockno=LD05915321
I would consider this.

The 1.13 VS2 and 1.1 VVS2 are worth considering as well.

 

[Gnoble]

Those links don't take you to the diamonds for soMe reason, let me try the links to the certificates:

1.13 http://www.bluenile.com/certs/2207363150.pdf?params=Y291bnRyeT1VU0EmcHJvZHVjdD1CTiZwaG9uZT0xKzg4OC01NjUtNzY0MSZsaW5rPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cuYmx1ZW5pbGUuY29tJTJGX0xEMDY1NTMzMzImY3VycmVuY3k9VVNEJmxhYj1naWEmc2t1PUxEMDY1NTMzMzIm

1.11 http://www.bluenile.com/certs/2196602253.pdf?params=Y291bnRyeT1VU0EmcHJvZHVjdD1CTiZwaG9uZT0xKzg4OC01NjUtNzY0MSZsaW5rPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cuYmx1ZW5pbGUuY29tJTJGX0xEMDU2ODUyNjYmY3VycmVuY3k9VVNEJmxhYj1naWEmc2t1PUxEMDU2ODUyNjYm

 

[Gnoble]

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?stockno=LD05915321
I would consider this.

The 1.13 VS2 and 1.1 VVS2 are worth considering as well.

Thank you! That diamond did very well on the Holloway cut adviser and was the largest and least expensive option of the three. It scored a 1.1 with all excellents except a very good in spread. I appreciate you finding that for me!

 

[flyingpig]

I recommed you hold those diamonds you like. 1.1carat VS2 is a hard find at 5k. We have many lurkers

 

[gr8leo87]

As from trade I can't comment on a vendors stone - appreciate or criticise it.

For academic and good intentions for a forum's poster I can raise points that enables customer to better understand diamonds. In this case you seem to ignore the factor of fluorescence that may be discounting one diamond over the another. Fluorescence is not a good or a bad thing. And different people have different choices. But fluorescence stones medium and above are discounted by trade compared to non fluorescence stones and this should be taken into account when comparing prices of two similar diamonds along with other 4Cs.

 

[flyingpig]

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamondfluorescence.jsp

Great article and videos on fluorescense.

 

[JDDN]

The second round of links don't work either and the proportions are too small to see on your photos. Can you post the link to the GIA report? Here are some parameters that will help you. Also ask for photos. For value, VS1 or VS2 will be nice, no need to go VVS unless that is something you care a lot about.

Table: 55-58%
Depth: 59-62.3%
Crown Angle: 34-35.5 degrees
Pavilion Angle: 40.6 to 41 degrees

 

[Gnoble]

What is the difference between a table that is 55% and 58%...besides 3% for those quick whiffed ones . Does that have a visual impact?

 

[JDDN]

It certainly does have a visual impact. A very nice explanation here. But in a nutshell, a smaller table is going to favor colored light return or fire. A larger table will favor bright light, but less fire (also called dispersion). It's a flavor you should decide where your preference leans.



https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-table-size

 

[flyingpig]

https://youtu.be/t4SaPUDEhjY
Again, seeing is Believing.

Obvisouly 58% table is larger than 55%.
A certain combo of crown angle and pav angle may be ideal for 55% crown angle, but it may not be for table 58%.

See here. There are different proportion guide chart for each table %

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://agslab.com/docs/pbcg/AGSLProportionCharts.pdf&q=ags%20proportion%20guide&ved=0ahUKEwig9ofMwZvKAhVU42MKHVkECYUQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNHg3slSJgPdTb3ji93SAeK85R3PrA&sig2=I-A9BVPzA2updRTTnDNh1w


It is why HCA score requires all these information

 

[Gnoble]

The second round of links don't work either and the proportions are too small to see on your photos. Can you post the link to the GIA report? Here are some parameters that will help you. Also ask for photos. For value, VS1 or VS2 will be nice, no need to go VVS unless that is something you care a lot about.

Table: 55-58%
Depth: 59-62.3%
Crown Angle: 34-35.5 degrees
Pavilion Angle: 40.6 to 41 degrees

The 1.3 diamond is: vS2 color I triple excellent. $5335
58% table
61.5 depth
35 crown Angle
40.8 pavilion angle
6.67x6.70x4.11mm
No Fluorescence

1.1 diamond is: VVS2, color I, triple excellent, $5273
58% table
61.8 depth
35.5% crown angle
40.6% pavilion angle
6.60x6.63x4.09mm
Medium fluorescence.


Then above someone had posted a 1.15 VS2, color I, triple excellent, $5091
55 table
62.2 depth
34% crown angle
40.8 pavilion angle
6.67x6.72x4.16mm
Medium fluorescence
This one does have a feather inclusion which makes me a little nervous, it is somewhat near the edge, is that cause for concern?

 

[JDDN]

#3 is the winner for me. Look at how #3 at 1.15 carats is the same size as the 1.3 carat. #3 has very complimentary angles which is a good thing. I would not worry about a feather in a VS2. You can certainly ask BN about it posing any durability risks. It would be rare to be able to see it without a loupe.

 

[Gnoble]

The second round of links don't work either and the proportions are too small to see on your photos. Can you post the link to the GIA report? Here are some parameters that will help you. Also ask for photos. For value, VS1 or VS2 will be nice, no need to go VVS unless that is something you care a lot about.

Table: 55-58%
Depth: 59-62.3%
Crown Angle: 34-35.5 degrees
Pavilion Angle: 40.6 to 41 degrees

The 1.13 diamond is: vS2 color I triple excellent. $5335
58% table
61.5 depth
35 crown Angle
40.8 pavilion angle
6.67x6.70x4.11mm
No Fluorescence

1.1 diamond is: VVS2, color I, triple excellent, $5273
58% table
61.8 depth
35.5% crown angle
40.6% pavilion angle
6.60x6.63x4.09mm
Medium fluorescence.


Then above someone had posted a 1.15 VS2, color I, triple excellent, $5091
55 table
62.2 depth
34% crown angle
40.8 pavilion angle
6.67x6.72x4.16mm
Medium fluorescence
This one does have a feather inclusion which makes me a little nervous, it is somewhat near the edge, is that cause for concern?

I'm sorry, I mistyped, it's 1.13 not 1.3. My bad. I apologize. Do you still like #3?

 

[flyingpig]

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=2186256950&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&pagename=GIA%2FDispatcher&c=Page&cid=1355954554547

Here is the full report on Stone #3 for those who would like to help. When I searched, I was purely looking at proportions.
The stone has some inclusions that I don't have too much familiarity with. I will definitely ask bluenile any question regarding inclusions, and wait for senior PS members' inputs.

A thread about indented natural...
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/indented-natural-and-girdle-with-does-it-affect-it.5717/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/indented-natural-and-girdle-with-does-it-affect-it.5717/[/URL]

 

[JDDN]

I still like #3 due to the proportions. If you are concerned with the indented natural, by all means keep looking as I am sure BN has some other nice stone in your parameters. I think you can/should be picky about the diamond you buy!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I wouldn't choose the VVS stone because of the crown angle. I don't like the angles on the 1.14. The only way to evaluate the inclusions in the one that flyingpig posted is to see it. That is one of the things I do not like about BN not having magnified pictures of the stones. I tried to find you a VS1, but those are all $5700+ at 1.10 cts or higher. Still looking...

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I couldn't find anything else at BN. I looked at a couple of other places and this is about the best I can find. Fortunately it has a video and we can see that the stone is pretty clean, and surely would be eyeclean in person.

https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/Round/GIA-Certified-1-04-Carat-I-Color-VS2-Clarity-Diamond-S3UFN8