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Opinions on JA Oval

SimoneDi said:
I agree with DS - the second one is the one I prefer. I still prefer the look and performance of the Opulence. I also think that your small ring size doesn’t demand a super large oval expecially considering that you will be placing it in a halo.
I added 1.5mm for halo and did a comparison between the Opulence and the new G stone:
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Thank you so much @SimoneDi - is this with a halo around both just so i understand? that is so kind of you to render that up for me <3
 
SimoneDi said:
I agree with DS - the second one is the one I prefer. I still prefer the look and performance of the Opulence. I also think that your small ring size doesn’t demand a super large oval expecially considering that you will be placing it in a halo.
I added 1.5mm for halo and did a comparison between the Opulence and the new G stone:
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@SimoneDi what is this site you're using? You've probably mentioned it somewhere and I missed it. Thanks!
 
jaimem123 said:
Thank you so much @SimoneDi - is this with a halo around both just so i understand? that is so kind of you to render that up for me <3
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Yes, I added appx 1.5mm for a halo, it could be more of less. I would advice against much more.
 
Starfacet said:
@jaimem123, I'm still partial to the Opulence product, so I guess I'm out of the loop at this point. No pun intended. :D
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Same. But I was never a fan of ovals before I saw the opulence cut, so I guess I can't be the best judge. Every normal oval I've ever seen doesn't have anywhere near the brilliance of an ideal cut MRB.

And now after seeing the opulence (which performs like an MRB) every normal oval I see just looks like a big chunk of carved glass. :mrgreen:
 
SimoneDi said:
We are not allowed to mention it but just type something like 2ct vs 2.5ct round in Google and it will show up in the first few results. ;-)

Edit: or what @jaimem123 said
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Lol i deleted. Rookie mistake to post a link! my apologies!
 
SimoneDi said:
it’s ok, everyone does them! Concentrate on the more important task at hand lol
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LOL!!!! Am i driving you guys nuts yet? I have to believe other people on here are just as crazy about their diamond as me!!!

Here is another from James Allen. I assume a much better ASET. But I still can't tell from ASET if there is a bowtie because the red is supposed to be the most brilliant yes?
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https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/2.12-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-4525790
 
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That one seems to have more of a bowtie. I don't love black inclusions right under the table, either. So far, I still like the G VVS (if you have eliminated Opulence Ovals).
 
jaimem123 said:
LOL!!!! Am i driving you guys nuts yet? I have to believe other people on here are just as crazy about their diamond as me!!!

Here is another from James Allen. I assume a much better ASET. But I still can't tell from ASET if there is a bowtie because the red is supposed to be the most brilliant yes?
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https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/2.12-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-4525790
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Much better ASET some mush under the table, but that is expected for all generic ovals. Do you like the look of this oval better than the Opulence? I also agree that I like the chubby G oval better.
 
Yes, I was just about to add the mushy sections above the bowtie. The G is really nice and doesn't appear mushy in the center.

I pretty much would say that you can stop looking. The 2.3 G VVS looks about as good as you'll find for a generic oval. The Opulence will outperform any generic oval, but they will face up slightly smaller.
 
SimoneDi said:
We are not allowed to mention it but just type something like 2ct vs 2.5ct round in Google and it will show up in the first few results. ;-)

Edit: or what @jaimem123 said
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Got it! But I wonder why it can't be mentioned.
 
SimoneDi said:
Much better ASET some mush under the table, but that is expected for all generic ovals. Do you like the look of this oval better than the Opulence? I also agree that I like the chubby G oval better.
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Thank you both @diamondseeker2006 and @SimoneDi ! it's so funny - the JA consultant told me that the JA diamond has less of a bowtie - i mean i'm sure they are subconsciously (or consciously) biased towards their stones LOL.

However - I don't and will not be able to get an ASET for the 2.30 G - my friend will be sending it from India for me to consider.

The opulence is still VERY much in. My plan is to find the best traditional oval that I can and compare it with the 2.41 H opulence. I have not placed a hold on it yet - it's in the universe's hands. I am waiting on some videos that I have requested.

The jeweler in my hometown is holding this one for me - but something about it isn't sitting right.

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another video of it here (the one on the right:

video here:
GIA report here: https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6272638691
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
In the rules:

"Do not post links or references to any other jewelry information or affiliate websites, forums, videos, blogs, or podcasts."
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Got it! It's the diamond information thing. I was kind of equating it to a tool.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Yes, I was just about to add the mushy sections above the bowtie. The G is really nice and doesn't appear mushy in the center.

I pretty much would say that you can stop looking. The 2.3 G VVS looks about as good as you'll find for a generic oval. The Opulence will outperform any generic oval, but they will face up slightly smaller.
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Thank you and sorry to have missed this! That is great advice re: you think is the best I'm gonna get with a traditional oval. If that's the case - I'm going to sleep on it - likely have it shipped from India and then compare to the opulence if it's still available ! yes i will have to make the decision - do I care more about opulence/performance or spread?

There is a 17% discrepancy in size with the 2.3 facing up larger than the opulent... but as @SimoneDi mentioned - i do have a size 4 3/4 finger - my hand is more on the petite side. Oh what decisions to make ;-)

If only we had the budget for jonathan's 6 carat... then I wouldn't really have to decide ;-) !
 
jaimem123 said:
Thank you and sorry to have missed this! That is great advice re: you think is the best I'm gonna get with a traditional oval. If that's the case - I'm going to sleep on it - likely have it shipped from India and then compare to the opulence if it's still available ! yes i will have to make the decision - do I care more about opulence/performance or spread?

There is a 17% discrepancy in size with the 2.3 facing up larger than the opulent... but as @SimoneDi mentioned - i do have a size 4 3/4 finger - my hand is more on the petite side. Oh what decisions to make ;-)

If only we had the budget for jonathan's 6 carat... then I wouldn't really have to decide ;-) !
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OP you still have an amazing budget!

I think it is good to take your time with this decision. If you could order both stones and etc the one you like the best, that would be ideal.

I might have missed this, but who is the vendor for the 2.3 G VVS?

Something else to consider is the upgrade options. I know that you might now be thinking that this is a one and done diamond, but in some years you might want a different style, a different shape, a different size and it is great to have the option to trade in and upgrade. I am actually not sure what AVs upgrade policies are, but I am pretty sure @Rhino would have one.
 
I am also curious as to how you'd access the stone from India. Sometimes that kind of order would not be refundable, or else you'd have to pay for that shipping both ways. So be sure what your terms are. The 2.3 G with a halo will definitely be very large on your finger, which is good if size is your first priority.
 
@diamondseeker2006 @SimoneDi actually - if you look at my profile picture - i am at a wedding in India with my boyfriend - funny enough- the groom is the diamond seller (not pictured- lol obviously)! he is a dear friend from business school - he works in his family business by day (which is some manufacturing i cant remember - not diamonds though) but he moonlights in his gem stone business. the prices are incredible - and it's a flat rate - no shipping charge - no taxes- and he is checking to see if we can have the stone shipped to consider it with the option to return - i am sure he will make it happen for me!

at first i was skeptical about buying from India - i trust HIM implicitly but i wasn't sure about the supply chain, we have been to india before (my bf is indian ) and you do have to be careful with legitimacy in certain circumstances (not sure if it's the same with diamonds)...but when my friend explained his supply chain - i felt totally comfortable - plus it's really hard to "fake" a diamond I presume - considering the GIA inscription along with it's unique characteristics outlined in the GIA report.

And yes totally agree about the upgrade @SimoneDi ! who knows how i will feel in 5-10 years? truth is i am already thinking about wedding bands and push presents HA!!! so funny because i could care less about clothes/shoes etc - but diamonds baby give me all of 'em ! :)
 
Jaimem123, have you reached out to rhino regarding your concerns re the spread on the August? If there is something in the works, depending on the timeframe it might be worth holding out for that?
 
Cutting the Opulence ovals deeper is what allows for the ideal light return. The cost is in the face up diameter measurements. Jon isn't going to sacrifice light return. While there may be room for slight improvement, they are still going to face up smaller. I honestly think if she has been looking for months since her bf wanted to propose, I'd choose from the stones available now.

@jaimem123 Many of the diamonds listed on James Allen are in India. That's not unusual. We were just wondering who you were accessing the stones from. How wonderful to have a friend who can get you better prices! It will be interesting to see if he can get a return option, but it sounds like a good source for you!
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Cutting the Opulence ovals deeper is what allows for the ideal light return. The cost is in the face up diameter measurements. Jon isn't going to sacrifice light return. While there may be room for slight improvement, they are still going to face up smaller. I honestly think if she has been looking for months since her bf wanted to propose, I'd choose from the stones available now.

@jaimem123 Many of the diamonds listed on James Allen are in India. That's not unusual. We were just wondering who you were accessing the stones from. How wonderful to have a friend who can get you better prices! It will be interesting to see if he can get a return option, but it sounds like a good source for you!
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@fige yes i have :) he would need to cut a new stone from a new rough and i'm sure it would be way over my budget - also not sure if this is feasible or doable within a time frame - although i did not ask specifics because i would imagine if i want a face up 2.3-2.5 we are looking at a true 3+ !!

@diamondseeker2006 & friends - I am going to pick between the two - if the Pricescoper's on here really thing the 2.3 G VVS is the best traditional oval that we can do (lope view here) ... I will choose between it and the opulence. And we agree no prominent bowtie?

I just spoke to my friend and he is sending the stone to a colleague in NY for me to view next week - no deposit required :) !!!
 
jaimem123 said:
LOL!!!! Am i driving you guys nuts yet? I have to believe other people on here are just as crazy about their diamond as me!!!

Here is another from James Allen. I assume a much better ASET. But I still can't tell from ASET if there is a bowtie because the red is supposed to be the most brilliant yes?
4525790aset.jpg

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/2.12-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-4525790
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This one has a decent aset...no dark bow-tie unfortunately it does have a dark inclusion under the table. :(

Bow-ties - there is no consistent definition for bow-ties. I pretty much go with the definition of a dark area through the center of the stone.
Some people go with the definition of a bigger faceting pattern through the center of the stone (dark or not). You can goggle around and you'll find
some people define it one way and some people define it the other way. The 2.12 does not have a dark area going through the center of the stone.

What is the mm (LxW) size on the 2.3?

Are you going to be able to see both the 2.3 and an OO?
 
tyty333 said:
This one has a decent aset...no dark bow-tie unfortunately it does have a dark inclusion under the table. :(

Bow-ties - there is no consistent definition for bow-ties. I pretty much go with the definition of a dark area through the center of the stone.
Some people go with the definition of a bigger faceting pattern through the center of the stone (dark or not). You can goggle around and you'll find
some people define it one way and some people define it the other way. The 2.12 does not have a dark area going through the center of the stone.

What is the mm (LxW) size on the 2.3?

Are you going to be able to see both the 2.3 and an OO?
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hi @tyty333 the 2.3 is 10.13×7.42×4.69 mm

here is a side by side between it and the OO (2.3 is on the left!).

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Its tough to give up the added size. I wish you could see the 2.3 and the OO at the same time!
 
Okay i have been following this thread and I just want to say.... one look at the AV insta right now.. and bablam! Hit by lightening,. that thing is amazing! I leave the technical comments to everyone else.. but that opulence fire sure is pretty. :love::love::love::love::love::love::love::love::love:
 
Holy Moly :love: wow, OP please purchase the Opulence and take it to any local store to compare against other ovals. Even the “best” of the generic ovals can not compare with this diamond. Like wow, I am speechless.
 
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