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  1. RosieR
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  2. foxinsox
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    by foxinsox » Mar 4, 2019
    Oh goodness. Please tell me you bought it and then post some pictures??
     
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  3. kipari
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    by kipari » Mar 4, 2019
    @Lessics, I'm German and I totally get how frustrating that whole process is. The worst part is that you just don't have a place where you can view a large number of GIA graded old cut stones side by side to determine your colour tolerance. The absence of grading for 90% of the stones makes the purchasing process so much harder. I think a trip to old world diamonds would be wonderful. Even if you don't find your holy grail stone, you'll be so much more educated and confident for future purchases
    And I hear you about shipping, duties, and fees.
     
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    by 737lizakg » Mar 10, 2019
    @Dizzie and @foxinsox no:cry2: I am not a pser with any sense of delayed gratification and don't have those kinds of funds on hand. I magpie away my bling funds on instant gratification a couple hundred bucks at a time.

    I will go back and see if he still had it next week and try to take photos so @Lessics can compare offerings. Unless you already bought your omc/oec?
     
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  5. Lessics
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    by Lessics » Mar 10, 2019
    @737lizakg No the auctions are in the week of the 18. March. I just stumbled upon another auction cataloge from Paris with a J VS1 2.68 OEC. I love the picture of the stone alot but they dont provide a certificate. But I will contact them tomorrow if they have a certificate.
    I'm toying with the idea of flying to Paris for a weekend trip to get a look at the stone. But I'm not sure if that's very rational :D
    So end of story I'm still completely open for anything! Maybe you can give me the shops name and I'll just fly there?

    @RosieR thank you for posting that link it gives you some guidelines =)2
     
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    by 737lizakg » Mar 10, 2019
    Any excuse for a weekend in Paris; rational or not, I'd find a way to justify it! I recently unset what I thought was a perfect omc to discover a small chip expertly hidden under the prong, so keep that in mind. Maybe a trip to look at a lot of old cuts in one place, like Kipari said, might be a more productive trip. The Brighton lanes are easy to get to via Gatwick on sleazyjet.
     
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  7. Lessics
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    by Lessics » Mar 15, 2019 at 9:32 AM
    Hi :) ai went to look at the auction diamond and I really liked it. The lady showing me the ring was pretty out off my the color she tried not be obvious but I noticed it ;-)

    Unfortunatley I wasn't able to get any good pictures :( so nobody can really give me an opinion. But because I was so pleasantly surprised by how beautiful the stones were in real life - I'm even thinking of bidding for a ring in a paris auction next week which is a J color (in comparison to the n/p color I'm eyeing).

    But here is the picture of the N/O diamond 20190315_133445.jpg

    And here a picture of the cushion cut (M color) one everybody advised against. Not really interested but it is estimated to be significantly cheaper than the round cut ring :) 20190315_134000.jpg

    In my opinion the N Color really isn't ugly. I looked at a E color Brilliant cut and had the feeling it was almost blue (no fluoresence) after looking at the N Color. But the sales lady said twice how she would prefer a smaller higher colored stone... I know it's my decision and I need to pick what I like. Just a little scared because I would have to sell the stone by myself if I decide it's too warm and besides it would be my engagement ring. So that's why I'm thinking of biding for the J colored OEC (that I havent seen) in Paris (I asked for a condition report and they described it nicely).

    Maybe I just have to wait it out till the next trip to the US :) I just can't shake the feeling that the it's much more expensive in the US.
     
  8. LightBright
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    by LightBright » Mar 15, 2019 at 9:55 AM
    Honestly, I think all three stones you posted look good to me. The M colored cushion is a typical wonky old mine cushion. They are rare. This one has some obvious inclusions. But the overall look is pretty to me. “Ring Concierce” has a similarly cut and color engagement ring that is pretty. https://www.instagram.com/p/BukP99-hBJH/ Put it in the right setting and it will be gorgeous. The lower colored OEC is also very pretty. The J in the gold ring I think has potential. From the profile it looks like a solidly cut OEC, not a dud. Your personal color preference is worth considering prior to buying, but if you are concerned about “cut”, I think any of the stones you posted are reasonable.

    Good luck!
     
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    by kipari » Mar 15, 2019 at 10:23 AM
    Remember that the estimates are only approximations. The last few jewelry items and loose stones I bid on went for multiple times the estimated price. I don't know which auctioneer you're looking at, but they are usually very good at grading the diamonds and honest about flaws if you ask the right questions.

    I've seen some pics of designer pieces that looked OK and when I (thankfully) went to view them before auction, they were quite badly scratched and had engravings that weren't in the description... Just keep this mind...
    Also, don't forget to factor in the fees... Many parisian houses take up to 25% + an additional 4.6% for online bidding
     
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  10. Lessics
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    by Lessics » Mar 15, 2019 at 3:57 PM
    @LightBright it's interesting that you say it has inclusions because they grad it as a VVS2 - I looked at it with a loupe and it looked more like dirt - but that too would be weird I mean they should have the jewellery all clean for the showing :D
    I do like Ring Concierges ER but especially the size :D
    I actually didn't post a picture of the J Ring - so I would be really interested which you are referring too? =)2

    @kipari yes I also have the feeling everybody is honest about flaws and I do ask all the questions I can ask so I gather as much information as possible like on a GIA report ;-)
    Where those scratches on diamonds?
    But you are right it is too risky to bid such a high sum on an item without even looking at it.
    I have calculated the 30% auction fee into my budget. But I also have noticed that often things will go for the estimated price minus the auction fee. But of course this time it could be different I'll know more next tuesday =)2
     
  11. Lessics
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    by Lessics » Mar 15, 2019 at 4:24 PM
    @737lizakg would you share the location of the shop you saw the OMC at? I would be very interested!
     
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    by 737lizakg » Mar 15, 2019 at 5:01 PM
    In Geneva Switzerland, and it sold already to a cutter who recuts them into MRBs :cry2:. I went in yesterday and he had nothing good this time. the shop was https://www.or24.ch but he doesn't have anything online yet. He plans to in the coming weeks though. Have you tried the pawnshops in your town yet? Any luck there?

    I absolutely love the oec you posted. And I agree that the cushion could be fantastic in the right setting. The modern shank and the many prongs are not helping it shine.
     
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  13. Lessics
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    by Lessics » Mar 15, 2019 at 5:19 PM
    @737lizakg thank you for your fast response and sharing the shop and your opinion.

    If the round N Stone doesn't materialize I will contact him and tell him he should please show me any nice antique cut before he sells it too a cutter :( That's so sad. Who want's a M colored mrb anyway? ;)2

    No unfortunatley not any well priced old cuts. I found a few very overpriced ones
     
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    by leukolenos » Mar 15, 2019 at 6:55 PM
    I think these both look like good options! The oec looks particularly pretty to me. I’ll be interested to see how things go and what you think about the one in Paris!
     
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    by 737lizakg » Mar 16, 2019 at 9:17 AM
    @Lessics I went to the shops today asking for +/- 2carats just to see what prices were for you (ok fine, for me to just have an excuse!). No luck on affordable sized stones buuut...

    Just for kicks if you up your budget to €50k, an antique store guy showed me this 7+ carat k truly eye clean I1 stone .I took a video for fun and thought I'd share.
     
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  16. Lessics
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    by Lessics » Mar 16, 2019 at 10:17 AM
    @737lizakg thank you for the video. I love it! The stone looks quite tinted for a K =)2

    Why doesn't Munich have such nice old cut stones to visit and dream about :D
     
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    by Lessics » Mar 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM
    @kipari I set my maximum bid for a price that I could most likely sell the diamond without a loss :)

    I went back to the auction house and took two videos. In one I love the stones color in the other I'm not a huge fan ;)2
    Does any body have an opinion on the performance of the diamond? From what you can see in the video?


     
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    by dreamer_dachsie » Mar 18, 2019 at 2:01 PM
    I think it is very well cut. Nice "flower petal pattern" in the center. Shows some obstruction in the center, but it is most likely due to camera reflection. Did it look nice an active in the center in person? Not overly dark?
     

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