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Date: 10/24/2009 2:34:59 PM
Author: jstarfireb
This is why I''m infinitely grateful that my husband knew me well enough to let me design my own ring. He put aside his own preferences for RB in a Tiffany setting and picked out a beautiful AGS ideal princess cut with me in a custom setting that I chose. Round diamonds are gorgeous - I have an AGS ideal H&A round in a pendant that I love. But that wasn''t what I had my heart set on for my engagement ring.


Your FI clearly put his preferences above yours - he knew exactly what you wanted, made some rude comments about it, and picked out something completely different. That in itself would have hurt me tremendously, no matter how beautiful the ring he picked out was.


If the ring is still in the return period, I would send it back to BN ASAP and pick out another one together. Forget the aunt''s ring (aside from cut quality being unknown, it''s still RB and still not what you wanted) and get the radiant that you really wanted. If he bought from BN already, that means he''s open to buying online, so I would talk to GOG or WF to find your perfect radiant. The single radiant that''s listed at GOG right now doesn''t ''do it'' for me, but I''m sure they could source a great one for you.


Pick out the new stone together as a symbol of the compromise and teamwork that your marriage will be built on.

Pick out the new stone together as a symbol of the compromise and teamwork that your marriage will be built on.


DITTO. Don''t buy the aunt''s ring. There are many people that are knocking your boyfriend down for having an opinion of his own; I can''t understand why. He is entitled to his opinion, and you are entitled to yours. Yes, you are the one that will be wearing this ring for a long time. However, he is the one purchasing this ring. If he doesn''t like radiants, he shouldn''t be forced to buy one. BUT its also not fair that he went ahead and bought a round that you didn''t originally want. I think you both need to relax some and compromise. Also, I don''t think that this situation insinuates that your guy has some sort of great deep problem.
 
Date: 10/24/2009 10:42:24 AM
Author: Circe
Your future fiance is being generous, as are all people who buy expensive symbols of engagement, but ... at the end of the day, it''s going to be *your* money, collectively. Why on earth spend all of that on something you don''t love? He unilaterally decided the shape you loved was tacky and spent 3 whole days researching the issue to find an alternative: while he may be awesome in general, on this one, he sort of needs to meet you halfway.

I agree.
 
I agree with all of the above. Sounds like you are both playing games with each other now. Come together and get what you want and skip the Aunt''s ring.
 
I''ll say it one more time. Don''t buy your aunt''s diamond. And don''t ask your fiance to spend $2k more than he already did. An engagement ring is a gift and a promise.
 
I agree with others who say that it is a gift. You can get the ring you described as your dream ring as rhr, save up and buy it many years later yourself.
 
I''ve read all of the posts here, and I have to say that I was in a very similar situation when my BF proposed over a year ago.
Up to that point I had never ever even looked at rings so I had no real preference as to setting or shape per se, but due to my job and financial situation I suppose I had "expectations". In retrospect those expectations may have been unrealistic due to his financial situation, but essentially my arguments were similar to those mentioned here.
This is the most expensive piece of jewelry I will ever own, and I will be wearing it for the rest of my life. Why wouldn''t he want me to have something that I absolutely LOVED, instead of something I was okay about. I tried to be happy with it, I tried to grateful, and finally I tried to grin and bear it because I knew that he had researched and saved and done the very best he could. Some months later he "upgraded" my stone. I changed nothing else on the ring. I loved that he had chosen the settings and the side rubies himself because he knew my preference for my birthstone.

However, his hurt over my not absolutely loving "his" ring, "his" diamond was such that every time he saw the ring on my finger it was like a reminder of his "supposed" failure. That hurt was turning to resentment and doubt; and those doubts were spilling over onto our daily life and especially planning the wedding.

Long story short. I broke off the engagement a few months ago. Our relationship has been damaged and we are still working to repair it.

Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined that this ring, this diamond could have become the catalyst to such an outcome, but to him (and these are his own words) that stone and that ring was an both a gift and an offer of himself. To him it represented his love, our life together, and was to him absolutely perfect. If he was so wrong about his choice, when he had felt so sure, how could he be sure of anything concerning our relationship?

I am in no way trying to tell you what to do, but I just felt that my experience may be helpful to you. It certainly taught me quite a bit. The fact of the matter is that in this modern time and age, many men look to their future wives for guidance on a ring and have no problems with shopping, designing and sometimes even paying for a e-ring together, but to other guys this is an EXTREMELY personal and heartfelt gift that if rejected can have longlasting ramifications on their ego and thus, a relationship.

I wish you joy and a happy resolution.
 
Date: 10/24/2009 1:22:28 AM
Author: blueberrydot

Actually yes, he does know the the worth of what my aunt''s diamond could actually retail for, which is what baffles me the most. I feel like most men would be like your husband and jump at the chance of scoring such a great deal

its not always about scoring a deal
its about other intangibles like effort time love etc.
 
I bet the 1.5 carat is a much nicer stone even with the black inclusion.

honestly - I wouldn''t trade for your aunt''s ring, but I might send the ring back to blue nile and continue looking for what you really want. Don''t settle - and if you do ''settle'' on a round - get the best CUT round you can and I have a strong feeling your aunt''s, while bigger, will not be more beautiful.
 
Have you considered: if you love your Aunt''s ring buying it yourself and making it into a RHR.
 
Mystra, LOVE your advice. I wish more people realized your wisdom!
 
Definitely return the ring he got, its not at all what you wanted. Then go ring shopping with or without him and enjoy trying on different rings and seeing what you love. Honestly I would get the 2 ct appraised and probably go with that, but I know that I wanted a round cut diamond - a decision by the way that involved me trying on lots of rings. I don''t know what to say about how your fiance is acting, its probably an ego thing? I don''t know. My DH was too scared to pick out a ring by himself, so I picked my ring!
 
At the end of the day I would prefer not to give someone else''s ring but for me the money situation always wins out.
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If regards to the SI1 being visable from the side... that is why I would never buy an SI1 eye clean from the top only since the one owning the ring is not just going to view from the top. Some people are willing to sacrifice so that they can get a bigger ring and having a visable inclusion would not be worth it to me but I think most people on here would disagree with me. Nothing lower than VS2 in my book. I buy based on what the high end stores like Cartier only carries VS2 and above and H color and above.
 
It is truely sad when an e-ring, a symbol of your un-ending love, becomes ugly. I think you should take yourself out of the moment and not rationalize this situation. This is not a money decision. This is not a "which diamond is better" decision. Look past the specs and realize that..........

This situation is about control. You want the control over your e-ring. As a fellow opinionated woman, I can absolutely relate!!! But you are marrying someone who is slightly impulsive, and I can tell this bugs you that he didn''t research it more. But nonetheless he has chosen this ring for his woman!

You know men...they crave respect (read The Five Love Languages, it is essential!) Take the e-ring he has chosen especially for you and love and cherish it just as you will your new hubby. You have to do self-less things like this throughout your entire marriage and I promise you that you will be rewarded in your hubby''s happiness.

Let the ring of your aunt''s go and all other thoughts of your radiant.

Give up your control of your e-ring. Let him have this decision and let him give you the ring he wants.

Later when your marriage and finances are thriving, you can pick out your bling. For now accept your gift.


BTW, a BN ideal cut is nothing less than fabulous! Be happy---I''m sure it is beautiful!
 
Date: 10/25/2009 10:36:59 PM
Author: Renae
It is truely sad when an e-ring, a symbol of your un-ending love, becomes ugly. I think you should take yourself out of the moment and not rationalize this situation. This is not a money decision. This is not a ''which diamond is better'' decision. Look past the specs and realize that..........


This situation is about control. You want the control over your e-ring. As a fellow opinionated woman, I can absolutely relate!!! But you are marrying someone who is slightly impulsive, and I can tell this bugs you that he didn''t research it more. But nonetheless he has chosen this ring for his woman!


You know men...they crave respect (read The Five Love Languages, it is essential!) Take the e-ring he has chosen especially for you and love and cherish it just as you will your new hubby. You have to do self-less things like this throughout your entire marriage and I promise you that you will be rewarded in your hubby''s happiness.


Let the ring of your aunt''s go and all other thoughts of your radiant.


Give up your control of your e-ring. Let him have this decision and let him give you the ring he wants.


Later when your marriage and finances are thriving, you can pick out your bling. For now accept your gift.



BTW, a BN ideal cut is nothing less than fabulous! Be happy---I''m sure it is beautiful!

This is thought-provoking to me, because it cuts both ways: he can choose the gift he gives you ... but you choose whether or not to accept it. Renae, if my husband kept choosing the feeling of being respected at the expense of my happiness, I wouldn''t want to be married to him!

Blueberrydot, you''ve gotten a lot of good suggestions from both sides of the discussion - what''re you thinking now?
 
I think people are overanalyzing this. It might just be about a guy who spent a lot of money to get you what in his mind was a great and beautiful gift. And you rejecting it and telling him to spend more money to get you something else.
 
Wow...this is indeed a sensitive subject. First of all...do yourself a favor as many have suggested and actually go look and see what a radiant with trapezoids actually looks like in real life. You are being wistful for something that you may not even want or like. Second, IMHO, forget the aunt's ring. Clearly...your fiance does not want you to have a ring that someone else found or belonged to another. Also...you say that you are not even in love with RB's...it sounds like it is the size that you are in love with.

Finally...I think Mystra gave you great advice. The ring is only a SYMBOL of your love and commitment. It is the marriage that is important. While I feel for any woman whom is not in love with their ring, it is important to remember...well...what is important. You say you really like the ring....the man gave you a nice sized diamond that many others would be thrilled with.

On the other hand, personally, the obvious inlcusion would bother me. If your man were more considerate or mature (sorry....I'm just truthfully saying what I believe from what you have told us) then you could simply tell him this and you could return the ring and let him pick out another. Since he is not...you have one hell of a problem. That...is a shame. A lot of money has been spent and for the money, you should both be happy.
 
Date: 10/25/2009 10:36:59 PM
Author: Renae
It is truely sad when an e-ring, a symbol of your un-ending love, becomes ugly. I think you should take yourself out of the moment and not rationalize this situation. This is not a money decision. This is not a ''which diamond is better'' decision. Look past the specs and realize that..........

This situation is about control. You want the control over your e-ring. As a fellow opinionated woman, I can absolutely relate!!! But you are marrying someone who is slightly impulsive, and I can tell this bugs you that he didn''t research it more. But nonetheless he has chosen this ring for his woman!

You know men...they crave respect (read The Five Love Languages, it is essential!) Take the e-ring he has chosen especially for you and love and cherish it just as you will your new hubby. You have to do self-less things like this throughout your entire marriage and I promise you that you will be rewarded in your hubby''s happiness.

Let the ring of your aunt''s go and all other thoughts of your radiant.

Give up your control of your e-ring. Let him have this decision and let him give you the ring he wants.

Later when your marriage and finances are thriving, you can pick out your bling. For now accept your gift.


BTW, a BN ideal cut is nothing less than fabulous! Be happy---I''m sure it is beautiful!
100% ditto!

Don''t tarnish this beautiful time in your life fighting over a ring.
 
Coming from the standpoint of a guy, who''s on a hunt for the right ring to propose to my GF, I would definitely agree with those who say "KEEP THE RING".

While 3 days really is a short time to make such a decision, hence raising questions bout the effort that he has put in, it is nonetheless a significant plunge for a guy to get a ring to propose. The fact that you did like it despite all the flaws the ring possessed shows that it''s a rather good looking one too. To turn down the ring after you have accepted it and gone for something better is as good as giving him a slap in his face. Worse still, if it''s a ring that someone else is discarding!

Think of a situation parallel to what you''re experiencing now. You''ve gotten married to your SO, despite the significant flaws that he may have, and despite him being not so well to do, you still decide that he''s special and the one for you. A year after the marriage, another marriage between a close friend and her husband ends. Comparing between husbands, this other guy has an awesome character, is drop dead good looking, and has riches in the billions. Are you now gonna trade up too?

Look beyond the financial aspect, and even the visual aspects of getting your aunt''s ring. The whole purpose of the E-ring is a symbolism of your relationship, of your love for one another. Give the ring up and trade up, and chances are it will leave a huge emotional strain on the relationship in future. All that for a "better investment"? I''d pass if I were you.
 
Date: 10/27/2009 7:54:40 AM
Author: Circe

Give up your control of your e-ring. Let him have this decision and let him give you the ring he wants.

Later when your marriage and finances are thriving, you can pick out your bling. For now accept your gift.

BTW, a BN ideal cut is nothing less than fabulous! Be happy---I''m sure it is beautiful!

What a very interesting thread. For me, a gift signifies two intentions (a) an act of generousity (b) the thoughtfulness to give me something I truly will cherish and love.

My own fiance has long ago realized he does not have the same taste I do, and has allowed me to pick my own jewelry, including my engagement ring. This does not make any gift less special. It has also never given me cause for complaint.

It seems a little odd to me for a man, or anyone, to say, "But it was a gift, so what if you don''t like it!" The ring being a "gift" doesn''t negate whether or not the OP''s fiance is thoughtful and considerate enough to want her to truly enjoy it.

Who wants to give a gift that one doesn''t like? If ever I gave a gift, especially a large purchase like a diamond, I would want to be 110% sure the receiver loved it.
 
I''d also like to add, are any of the ladies here who are encouraging the OP to accept the ring themselves in possession of engagement rings they don''t like? Did you also suck it up and take the "gift" without a murmur? Hope that doesn''t come off as snarky, because I''m sincerely curious.

Putting myself in her shoes, I would find the situation intolerable. While I agree that the aunt''s ring is not the solution, I do think the OP should have the engagement ring she wants.
 
Date: 10/27/2009 10:35:28 AM
Author: Gleam
I'd also like to add, are any of the ladies here who are encouraging the OP to accept the ring themselves in possession of engagement rings they don't like? Did you also suck it up and take the 'gift' without a murmur? Hope that doesn't come off as snarky, because I'm sincerely curious.


Putting myself in her shoes, I would find the situation intolerable. While I agree that the aunt's ring is not the solution, I do think the OP should have the engagement ring she wants.

Well, I've never been in the situation of wearing an engagement ring I don't like, because I would never choose to marry a guy who would insist on having total control over the ring and when to give it to me.

I instead married a man who has absolutely no interest in jewelry, and is happy that I pick out my own jewelry. If it's to be a gift from him, he simply sets the budget, and I spend it on what I choose. I do try to take into consideration his (rare) opinions on jewelry -- for example, he's not a fan of "pointy solitaires." Do I sometimes wish he was a little more interested than that -- yes, of course. But if I had to choose between my situation (not the most romantic!) and the situation the OP finds herself in, I'll happily take my lot in life!

The anxiety involved in these situations -- and this is not the first one of these types of posts, nor will it be the last -- is palpable. These threads are hard for me to read.

I have no advice to give to the OP, except to agree with previous posters who pointed out that this is more about control and power issues in the relationship, and no matter what ring you end up with, it's best to deal with those control issues before you walk down the aisle.
 
So just to clarify, you originally wanted a radiant, your fiance bought a round which you didn't really want, but your aunt's ring is also a round but bigger than the one your fiance bought, and you really want this diamond even though it is a round stone?

Just to mention here also if it is size you like the idea of, even with the aunt's diamond if the cut isn't good it might not look a whole lot bigger than your 1.5 carater, a well cut 1.5 round measures around 7.4- 7.5mm and a well cut 2 carat 8mm give or take a bit. So there is a size difference but it isn't enormous.

Just my feelings here - and please know I am not criticising you in any way, but maybe your fiance is feeling that his round diamond isn't good enough yet you really want another, larger round now it is offered and you want it because it is bigger? I don't know what to tell you as I can see the POV from both sides, but maybe you could return the original ring, cross the aunt's ring off the list and look together for a new ring that you both like?
 
I'll make this short, but all this debating won't sit will between both of you, either one in the end will feel a bit un easy either way. Just start over with the ring, if within return period, return and start the search together and begin your life together in a compromise with a fresh start.
 
I''m mostly just curious but I''m not quite sure I can see why people are calling the man "immature" when he seems more hurt by the notion that the OP would prefer another person''s diamond than the one he chose. Granted this is also coming from the male perspective but it seems more like a parent buying a pony for their daughter and having the daughter say "I want a nicer/bigger pony".

It does seem there may be somewhat of a control situation happening but it''s not like he said "If you don''t accept the ring then you don''t accept my proposal."

Perhaps I''m just looking at this in the wrong light and I''d love for another person''s point of view to show me what I''m not seeing but it sounds similar to this scenario. What if you (the woman) cooked your SO a special meal after spending 20 minutes on it (which isn''t that long to spend on a meal similar to his time spent on the diamond) and he ate a bit of it and said "Honey, I really do appreciate the effort but I don''t like how this tastes and I''d rather go order some pizza," would you not be hurt too? Would it be immature for you to be upset and say "We can have pizza if you REALLY want to but I was hoping we''d enjoy the dinner that I spent the time to cook." Is it not expected for the guy to just eat the food to spare his SO''s feelings?

I don''t really have advice for the OP about the ring but IMO the biggest thing that happened to you is that the man you love has asked if you would be willing to spend the rest of your life with him...shouldn''t that be the main focus?

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Date: 10/24/2009 8:28:59 PM
Author: swingirl
I''ll say it one more time. Don''t buy your aunt''s diamond. And don''t ask your fiance to spend $2k more than he already did. An engagement ring is a gift and a promise.
+1
 
I would say return the ring also and start a new search. I have been searching for the right diamond for months now. If I was in his situation I would probably start to feel like the ring mattered more than the love I had and the fact of wanting to spend life together.
 
Date: 10/27/2009 10:30:17 AM
Author: Gleam

Date: 10/27/2009 7:54:40 AM
Author: Circe

Give up your control of your e-ring. Let him have this decision and let him give you the ring he wants.

Later when your marriage and finances are thriving, you can pick out your bling. For now accept your gift.

BTW, a BN ideal cut is nothing less than fabulous! Be happy---I''m sure it is beautiful!

What a very interesting thread. For me, a gift signifies two intentions (a) an act of generousity (b) the thoughtfulness to give me something I truly will cherish and love.

My own fiance has long ago realized he does not have the same taste I do, and has allowed me to pick my own jewelry, including my engagement ring. This does not make any gift less special. It has also never given me cause for complaint.

It seems a little odd to me for a man, or anyone, to say, ''But it was a gift, so what if you don''t like it!'' The ring being a ''gift'' doesn''t negate whether or not the OP''s fiance is thoughtful and considerate enough to want her to truly enjoy it.

Who wants to give a gift that one doesn''t like? If ever I gave a gift, especially a large purchase like a diamond, I would want to be 110% sure the receiver loved it.

This is how I feel as well. For such an expensive “gift” I need to make sure the recipient loves what I give.


OP, I think you should return the BN ring and not buy your aunt’s ring like the others have suggested. Since you haven’t seen how a radiant looks like in real life go see one!!!!


I guess I totally lucked out with a very understanding guy as my FI proposed with a RB he bought and picked out. He’s into RB’s since it has the best fire/sparkle while I prefer squares. You could say when he proposed with the ring I was slightly disappointed it wasn’t what I wanted but then my amazing FI told me he is fully prepared to return the ring if I didn’t love it. When he says something he means it too. I mean I liked the ring but I didn’t love it. I told my FI that and he said to just return the ring and get what I truly want, even if it’s a princess cut. Before I discovered pricescope I was set on a princess cut as I didn’t want what everybody had (actually didn’t know of other shapes that were squares beside a princess cut). After I found PS I discovered the wonderful world of other shapes and looks. So after looking at pictures of diamonds, and how some of PS member’s rings looks we went with a cushion since I found a new shape I feel in love with. I didn’t get a cushion blind though as I went to a local jeweller and saw in real life how beautiful a cushion was. I got my square and my FI got something without the pointy edges a princess cut has. So in the end we both love my diamond and it was a joint decision. Oh, I also returned the ring he proposed with against many people’s wishes (mainly friends & family) and bought what I love instead. Now I can’t stop looking/admiring my ring (looking now a I type this) even though it wasn’t the original shape I was aiming for. In fact I love my cushion more then any princess cut now! To me it has to be something you will love but yet something he will like too. You both need to make compromises. If he doesn’t want a radiant and thinks it’s ugly then that’s ok too. I mean my FI thought a princess cut was ugly too. Have you consider another shape beside a radiant? A shape both of you will like and love? If the two of you can’t work out something as simple as a ring then I am wondering how you’re going to handle the bigger problems life is going to throw at you!


Oh, that inclusion would bug me way way too much but then I can’t go lower then a VS2. So without any other issues you have regarding your relationship etc. I’ll return the ring cause of that!


As to the ladies that said you should just “suck it up” and accept the ring. My mentality is, if my man can’t understand or respect my wishes/tastes then we got bigger issues. Also, if we’re so picky on finding the right guy isn’t that guy suppose to be sensitive to our wishes?! I guess I am of the mentality that I don’t settle for anything in life as I strive for the best of what I can get! The “suck it up” mentality reminds me of some folks here at work that work here but hate their jobs with a passion but yet have been here like 20 bloody years. Why take the crap if you hate it that much as you can just leave! Your happiness is worth way more then the paycheque and in OP’s case her happiness on the ring is a symbol of how much respect her FI has regarding her wants/needs.
 
The traditional method (and one used by most men) is to find a ring and propose by surprise. Modern men may at least try to find out what their significant other would like secretly(a general idea) and then go out and make the purchase by themself that is the way I''ve seen most proposals. Most women are thrilled with the proposal and a beautiful ring and appreciate the effort that went into it and ignore it if its not exactly what they wanted. Once you have become so rigid in your opinion of what you must have for a ring I think you have lost a lot of the charm and romanticism of the proposal. I''ve seen one bride who didn''t particularly like her ring as she is a trendy girl and he bought a classical round solitaire as he though it was best. I told her that her ring was beautiful and she should be happy she has it. I was quite embarassed and so was he when she commented negatively on her ring and compared it to my Fiance''s which she really liked. I''d be really careful you don''t comment to anyonelse about any of this ring disucssion it is in really poor taste I''d keep that pretty quiet and only discuss with your Fiance.

For my own situation I am a very non traditional guy I wanted to educate my fiance and myself on the finest details of diamonds rings. I showed my Fiance so many different rings, explained so much about the fine details and pretty much made sure she really got the diamond and ring she wanted after seeing virtually limitless options. I drove her crazy in my quest for information and knowledge she called me the "DiamondMunster" for a few days as well when she was sick of looking at different rings.

My Fiance liked 5 different styles when we began and she liked in particular some pretty crazy and ugly rings along the way(an invisible cut princess centre comprised of 8 smaller priness diamonds) and if I let her she might have chosen something absolutely hideous (and not to mention really cheap). However in the end I helped her narrow down her choices and she made the final decision and she is thrilled with the final product. My family thought it was strange that she was so involved with the ring buying process as did hers but I was happy to have her involved at every step of the way.

Since you have already discussed rings and are already at the point where you might as well be open and have a modern attitude towards this process so should your Fiance. Go shopping together pick something you both really like style wise and then agree on a budget and get the best value for your purchase which will likely be online. Since you are picky enough to be posting here and it clearly is important to you that you get exactly what you want and if you do this together with your Fiance you will both be happy. This should be a fun, educating experience that the two of you should enjoy each others company and the process. I think neither of you should be so rigid that you can''t agree on some new ring that you both really love. I think all the past choices should be discarded as they seem to include tradeoffs one or both of you may not be happy making.

The one major thing your Fiance should realize is that you pay for Faceup size. A round is more expensive than a Fancy for the same Carat weight 20 - 35% more. It is also 20 - 35% larger faceup. All things being considered as a rough approximation for the same faceup size a round and many fancies cost the same for the same surface area. (Some exceptions though). Ignore carat weight and look at Length Width and Diameter, that is what you will see when you look down at the diamond.

What you should realize is that it is quite difficult to find excellent Radiant cuts and may be impossible to do locally, you might buy an ASET scope and start looking at Radiants(or any Fancy) locally but I would save yourself the effort and have a vendor online find you stones and use this community to find the best cut possible by posting pictures and viewing ASET images. Most radiants are cut for weight not light performance so you will have to work hard to find good ones.

Good-luck,

CCL
 
I find it really interesting that PSers, generally as a group who obsess over stones, setting and resetting them, considering this nuance over that, wouldn't think EVERY girl out there should have an e-ring she loves.

In other words, I think every woman here is entitled to the same joy and happiness my e-ring brought me... both emotionally as a promise of marriage, and aesthetically as piece of beautiful jewelry. Why shouldn't every woman have that?

I can't imagine wearing any piece of jewelry, no matter how big or small, everyday and thinking it's "meh."
 
Date: 10/27/2009 1:07:28 PM
Author: Gleam
I find it really interesting that PSers, generally as a group who obsess over stones, setting and resetting them, considering this nuance over that, wouldn''t think EVERY girl out there should have an e-ring she loves.

In other words, I think every woman here is entitled to the same joy and happiness my e-ring brought me... both emotionally as a promise of marriage, and aesthetically as piece of beautiful jewelry. Why shouldn''t every woman have that?

I can''t imagine wearing any piece of jewelry, no matter how big or small, everyday and thinking it''s ''meh.''
Because there are more traditional people then you think. Tradition makes them "settle" and it''s not just their rings they settle for either. Although it might appear PS folks are more "modern" but honestly from reading some of the posts some aren''t so modern or forward thinking at all! It might have something to do with the age group/gap too along with where you''re from. I frequent a deal''s board and most folks there are younger (mostly 20''s) and their beliefs are more "modern" so to speak.
 
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