Need some thoughts on this diamond

[FourC]

Hi Everyone,

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...olor-vvs1-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-5245085

AGS Report: https://agslab-content.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/pdf/104044677001-PLDQR.PDF

I just recently purchased a diamond yesterday, and some things came to mind. I noticed that the diamond has a AGS cert date from 2010 and has an inscription of "crafted by infinity". I'm thinking about canceling my order but am not sure if these are valid concerns. I would appreciate any advice about this diamond. Thanks.

 

[KKJohnson]

You got a CBI Diamond! Why do you want to cancel?! You got a terrific find and you didn’t even have to pay the premium for that diamond, here is a comparable and the premium you would be paying if you bought directly.

What are your concerns with this diamond?

https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD10013

 

[FourC]

You got a CBI Diamond! Why do you want to cancel?! You got a terrific find and you didn’t even have to pay the premium for that diamond, here is a comparable and the premium you would be paying if you bought directly.

What are your concerns with this diamond?

https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD10013

I don’t know much about diamonds or makers but because it has CBI inscribed and is being sold on JamesAllen through me off, but I was told it can happen as diamonds move through the market? And the certification date was another concern. When compared to other diamond certifications on the site and others sites they have recent dates 2017-2018. So it concerned me that this diamond was dated 2010 of the AGS report.

 

[farrahlyn]

WHATTTTT? NO, don't cancel, you have a superideal there, what a GREAT find! I wonder how it got in JA inventory?

As far as the cert, you can take it to an appraiser to have it examined, just to ensure that there are no chips, etc that would effect the clarity. it is likely a trade in but not something i'd be overly concerned about.

 

[KKJohnson]

You are correct, the report is old. You can request that JA resubmit the diamond for grading but I wouldn’t worry about the CBI part. Hopefully they can resubmit the diamond to AGS (those reports are $250) but I think they mainly submit to GIA.

 

[FourC]

You are correct, the report is old. You can request that JA resubmit the diamond for grading but I wouldn’t worry about the CBI part. Hopefully they can resubmit the diamond to AGS (those reports are $250) but I think they mainly submit to GIA.

Thanks for the advice. I did ask if they can resubmit the diamond for grading but was told “the 4Cs do not change on a diamond we do not degrade” and was told that I can have it done independently after purchase. Do you happen to know how long the process is to have a diamond regraded?

 

[KKJohnson]

Thanks for the advice. I did ask if they can resubmit the diamond for grading but was told “the 4Cs do not change on a diamond we do not degrade” and was told that I can have it done independently after purchase. Do you happen to know how long the process is to have a diamond regraded?

Well I do know that 1 of Cs can change which is clarity, if a Diamond gets damaged that can cause internal issues but the diamond does appear very clean. I’ve had my diamond graded by GIA and it didn’t take very long (about a week) but if you want it redone by AGS I can’t say, both grading labs have their pluses and minuses.

I would recommend having the diamond appraised after purchase to check for internal issues and then send off for grading if that is what you wish.

 

[gm89uk]

I wouldn't cancel your order as having CBI show up at JA prices is a wonderful thing to happen, so that is definitely a positive.

 

[ringo865]

So jealous! Pics when you get it! How are you setting it? Is JA doing the setting or are they shipping it loose?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Send the stone to GIA for a new report. Just to be sure that there are no chips on the stone.

 

[david b]

I agree with all, this is a superb diamond.

If you resubmit the diamond to refresh the certificate date you will get the same 4C's results if nothing has happened to the diamond during the years.

It is a good advice to take it to an independent appraiser just to check for chips and against the certificate characters.

 

[FourC]

WHATTTTT? NO, don't cancel, you have a superideal there, what a GREAT find! I wonder how it got in JA inventory?

As far as the cert, you can take it to an appraiser to have it examined, just to ensure that there are no chips, etc that would effect the clarity. it is likely a trade in but not something i'd be overly concerned about.

Well I do know that 1 of Cs can change which is clarity, if a Diamond gets damaged that can cause internal issues but the diamond does appear very clean. I’ve had my diamond graded by GIA and it didn’t take very long (about a week) but if you want it redone by AGS I can’t say, both grading labs have their pluses and minuses.

I would recommend having the diamond appraised after purchase to check for internal issues and then send off for grading if that is what you wish.

I wouldn't cancel your order as having CBI show up at JA prices is a wonderful thing to happen, so that is definitely a positive.

So jealous! Pics when you get it! How are you setting it? Is JA doing the setting or are they shipping it loose?

I agree with all, this is a superb diamond.

If you resubmit the diamond to refresh the certificate date you will get the same 4C's results if nothing has happened to the diamond during the years.

It is a good advice to take it to an independent appraiser just to check for chips and against the certificate characters.

Just want to thank you all for the great advice! I received the stone last week and recently got it inspected by an independent appraiser. There was no discrepancies found on the report. Everything matched! The appraiser’s first impression of when she saw the diamond was “wow!, that’s a beautiful fireball!” I’m glad that I went through with the purchase and did not cancel. My next step is to search for a pave setting that my future fiancé would love. Thank you all again!

 

[ringo865]

OMG so psyched!!! (And what?!? No pics!?!)

 

[rockysalamander]

Just want to thank you all for the great advice! I received the stone last week and recently got it inspected by an independent appraiser. There was no discrepancies found on the report. Everything matched! The appraiser’s first impression of when she saw the diamond was “wow!, that’s a beautiful fireball!” I’m glad that I went through with the purchase and did not cancel. My next step is to search for a pave setting that my future fiancé would love. Thank you all again!

Since you have a CBI diamond, look at HighPerformanceDiamonds. Wink's bench is great and he's pretty familiar with those little fire-balls. You so scored!

 

[doberman]

What??? I want to see photos - you really got lucky!

 

[TreeScientist]

WHATTTTT? NO, don't cancel, you have a superideal there, what a GREAT find! I wonder how it got in JA inventory?

As far as the cert, you can take it to an appraiser to have it examined, just to ensure that there are no chips, etc that would effect the clarity. it is likely a trade in but not something i'd be overly concerned about.

Well, I don't think it would actually qualify as a CBI, as it has Strong Blue Fluorescence. Similar to WF ACAs, Infinity does not permit SBF in their CBI line. From the HPD website:

"Infinity inspects all starting crystals for fluorescence and will craft diamonds with medium or lower, if the fluorescent effects do not interfere with optics or transparency."

I'm guessing that this is one of those cases where the diamond was already inscribed when they sent it to the lab, and when it came back from AGS with strong blue fluorescence they rejected it and put it out on the open market (which is how it got in the JA inventory). There's been a few cases of diamonds with ACA-branded certificates popping up on the open market. I remember one time in particular when @Texas Leaguer confirmed that an ACA-branded diamond that popped up on JA was indeed rejected from the ACA line because it didn't meet their parameters, and had therefore gone out on the open market.

The bonus points in this situation is that the diamond most likely doesn't exhibit any negative effects from the fluor and is probably one of those borderline between MBF and SBF cases, as Infinity would not have taken the time to craft it if they didn't think the rough was worthy of the CBI line.

So you're basically getting a CBI at a discount simply because AGS graded the stone SBF (and after the recent thread detailing the mess that is fluorescence grading, I'm think we can agree this isn't really a bad thing. ).

ETA: And there's always the potential that CBI used to permit CBI in their line back in 2010 (could you confirm @Wink?) If that was the case, maybe someone traded it back in to CBI recently, and now since CBI doesn't permit SBF in their line at present, they decided to put it back out on the open market.

 

[david b]

,Congratulations on your new diamond!
I am sure it has lots and lots of light rays.
Remember that if you want to keep it a bright
ball of fire keep cleaning it regularly.
Diamond rings and especially engagement rings that are on her finger 24/7 accumulate
a lot of dirt. From hand creams to soaps residues mixed with dust.
Oerwise the diamond will loose all its brilliance with the time.

David

 

[rockysalamander]

@sledge I seem to remember in an old thread that CBI used to allow SBF (or maybe it was another brand)? @Wink ????

 

[FourC]

Well, I don't think it would actually qualify as a CBI, as it has Strong Blue Fluorescence. Similar to WF ACAs, Infinity does not permit SBF in their CBI line. From the HPD website:

"Infinity inspects all starting crystals for fluorescence and will craft diamonds with medium or lower, if the fluorescent effects do not interfere with optics or transparency."

I'm guessing that this is one of those cases where the diamond was already inscribed when they sent it to the lab, and when it came back from AGS with strong blue fluorescence they rejected it and put it out on the open market (which is how it got in the JA inventory). There's been a few cases of diamonds with ACA-branded certificates popping up on the open market. I remember one time in particular when @Texas Leaguer confirmed that an ACA-branded diamond that popped up on JA was indeed rejected from the ACA line because it didn't meet their parameters, and had therefore gone out on the open market.

The bonus points in this situation is that the diamond most likely doesn't exhibit any negative effects from the fluor and is probably one of those borderline between MBF and SBF cases, as Infinity would not have taken the time to craft it if they didn't think the rough was worthy of the CBI line.

So you're basically getting a CBI at a discount simply because AGS graded the stone SBF (and after the recent thread detailing the mess that is fluorescence grading, I'm think we can agree this isn't really a bad thing. ).

ETA: And there's always the potential that CBI used to permit CBI in their line back in 2010 (could you confirm @Wink?) If that was the case, maybe someone traded it back in to CBI recently, and now since CBI doesn't permit SBF in their line at present, they decided to put it back out on the open market.

Thanks for the info. Interesting that you mentioned it could be borderline between MBF and SBF. The appraiser had mentioned the diamond being MBF in her opinion but when she compared her findings to the AGS and saw they labeled it as SBF she said it could have gone either way. From her perspective it was MBF, near SBF.

 

[lovedogs]

@sledge I seem to remember in an old thread that CBI used to allow SBF (or maybe it was another brand)? @Wink ????

You are right about that. When I spoke with Melissa about getting a custom cut stone, she mentioned that they used to allow SBF, but since now some people associate SBF with 'hazy' they don't do it anymore. She also mentioned that the idea of SBF = hazy is largely overblown, since it's not that common for stones with flour to be hazy. But since that's the general trend right now, CBI wanted to avoid the issue entirely.

 

[LLJsmom]

Congratulations. You just lucked out big time.

 

[WinkHPD]

I'm guessing that this is one of those cases where the diamond was already inscribed when they sent it to the lab, and when it came back from AGS with strong blue fluorescence they rejected it and put it out on the open market (which is how it got in the JA inventory).

Back when this diamond was Crafted, it was acceptable for a Crafted by infinity to have Strong Blue Fluorescence. I love them, and I sold several of them, although not this one, which is probably why it was sold outside the CBI channel. Had it been bought back by CBI or one of the CBI retailers, it would have received a current report to protect the buyer from any possible damage to the diamond.

Just as an FYI, all of the Crafted by Infinity Diamonds are inscribed at the AGS Laboratory, after they have been graded by AGS. Currently, as has been discussed here in at least one thread, the CBI logo is no longer inscribed on the girdle of the diamond, but the proprietary diamond report number is, and that report has the Crafted by Infinity Logo printed right on the report.

Wink

 

[FourC]

OMG so psyched!!! (And what?!? No pics!?!)

Had the ring completed at a jeweler in NYC. Here’s a video she had sent me of the finished ring.

 

[farrahlyn]

Had the ring completed at a jeweler in NYC. Here’s a video she had sent me of the finished ring.

STUNNING!!!!!

 

[Lykame]

Had the ring completed at a jeweler in NYC. Here’s a video she had sent me of the finished ring.

Forgive me whilst I die in CBI awe over here! And found on the open market, too... Jeez...

Honestly though you missed out having the pleasure of working with @Wink and his team! That is a shame. But you are exceptionally lucky to have found that stone, well done! Congratulations! Thank god you didn't cancel it.

When there are hand shots, please post those too if you're able!