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Kirand

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Hey all experts!

I am in search for a 2 carat oval center stone with double halo setting that mimicks
The bachelorette star Andi dorfman's engagement ring. My budget is under 10-12k
I want a clean diamond to look at from naked eye since my budget isnt that high,
I understand it will be hard finding a perfect cut and ideal clarity but something that
Looks beautiful to the sight under my price range. I found 2 carat loose diamond
From blue niles 2.02 carat, j , SI2, very good cut for $9085?

Please sugest more options?

Thank you very much
 

ADN

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Kirand|1461026397|4020942 said:
Hey all experts!

I am in search for a 2 carat oval center stone with double halo setting that mimicks
The bachelorette star Andi dorfman's engagement ring. My budget is under 10-12k
I want a clean diamond to look at from naked eye since my budget isnt that high,
I understand it will be hard finding a perfect cut and ideal clarity but something that
Looks beautiful to the sight under my price range. I found 2 carat loose diamond
From blue niles 2.02 carat, j , SI2, very good cut for $9085?

Please sugest more options?

Thank you very much
Hi
FYI - there is not a set acceptable standard for what makes a beautiful oval, therefore proper diamond grading labs don't give ovals 'cut' grades - so any 'cut grade' that you receive are opinions from the organisation selling the stone, and should be taken with a grain of salt - - while there are certain cut issues you can look out for (excessive bow-tie/too deep causing extra unecessary weight/too shallow causing light leakage/symmetry/etc.) it's really all about what you find aesthetically pleasing.
Good luck
 

PintoBean

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When I saw "double halo", it made me think of Diamonds By Lauren. take a look at the halo rings offerings on that site for ideas.
 

Gypsy

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Yeah. No. I wouldn't do a J oval in a double halo. I'd stick to H or better in a white halo.

And you can't buy an oval from the numbers. You need pictures, preferably an ASET and a video.

The setting alone will cost you 4k and that's in a CAD setting of the quality it needs to be for an engagement ring. I would recommend Brilliantly Engaged for the setting.

So you aren't getting a two carat stone of any decent quality for 6k. So I'd advise you do be more realistic in terms of your expectations.

Here are some links that will help you:
Why pave is fragile: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/which-online-retailer-for-a-custom-setting.203660/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/which-online-retailer-for-a-custom-setting.203660/[/URL]
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/couple-of-oval-questions.222275/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/couple-of-oval-questions.222275/[/URL]
 

leukolenos

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Agree with Gypsy. Something's gotta give. I think at that price point it's not very realistic.

Is the double halo a must? I would seriously rethink that. What about a sort of compromise and get better quality diamond with a single halo?
 

PintoBean

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SirDiamondGod said:
You are paying way too much, its definitely over priced. A 2 carat J SI2 oval diamond costs about $6,000 on the wholesale market (you know, the companies that supply the jewelers and retailers and websites).

And a SI2 will usually be able to be seen from the eye.

The J color I feel might be a little to low, sometimes in certain lighting you can tell the stone has a slight tint yellow.

My suggestion: Go for a 2 carat oval I color, SI1 quality. This will be the most value for money. Let me know if you need more help :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
OK - how can you help? Where should OP go to get a similar diamond at a better price point? I thought wholesalers don't sell to folks outside of the trade - private, individual consumers like the majority of us PSers. I'm intrigued.
 

Kirand

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Thank you very much for the suggestions,

I guess i have to increase my budget in order to get what i am looking for? perhaps you can enlighten me of the other choices that you may have picked for yourself if you had a budget of 10-12 k for the stone only?
 

Kirand

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SirDiamondGod|1461081914|4021160 said:
You are paying way too much, its definitely over priced. A 2 carat J SI2 oval diamond costs about $6,000 on the wholesale market (you know, the companies that supply the jewelers and retailers and websites).

And a SI2 will usually be able to be seen from the eye.

The J color I feel might be a little to low, sometimes in certain lighting you can tell the stone has a slight tint yellow.

My suggestion: Go for a 2 carat oval I color, SI1 quality. This will be the most value for money. Let me know if you need more help :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:



yes please, tell me who would i be able to purchase the wholesale prices from? I am debating to increase my budget but i really want the andi dorfman look alike double halo! ive been in love ever since i saw that ring :boohoo:


Thank You
 

leukolenos

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Yes, it would be eye clean, but you don't need to pay for VVS level of clarity to get that. VS would be fine, even some SI1s.

The K color doesn't really have anything to do with whether it will sparkle or not.

In a halo you will notice the color distinction between the pave stones and your diamond- is that going to bother you? It may not, but it may.

Here's a K oval in a halo: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/steven-kirsch-reset-for-my-1-5kvs2-oval.221905/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/steven-kirsch-reset-for-my-1-5kvs2-oval.221905/[/URL]
 

Gypsy

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The warmest I'd go is I.

You aren't getting the 2 carats for your budget.

But I will look for you later and see what can be found. But you need to curb the expectations of the wearer if they are the one demanding 2 carats.

Most people have no idea what diamond cost. So they throw out weights like "I have to have one carat" or "two carats" in their ignorance.

Ignore Mr. Wholesale. He's just shilling.

And likely isn't reputable if he is doing so.
 

VRBeauty

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Kirand: One option is to get the center stone of your dreams now, with a much simpler setting, and promise an upgrade at some future time, say a five-year anniversary/


SirDiamondGod|1461136578|4021539 said:
Sorry, I did not know all the rules of Price Scope, my intention is NOT to sell. My intention is to EDUCATE
Perhaps you should take a few moments to educate yourself on those rules, particularly as they pertain to members of the trade. Here you go: https://www.pricescope.com/content/forum-policies
 

Gypsy

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Right. You aren't a troll. You are here to educate. That's why you call yourself "SirDiamondGod" cause that's not a troll's name at all. And all your posts either help you, and you alone, or can only be to spread misinformation, chaos, and confusion. Cause that's not at all what a troll does.

What exactly is the point of your last post? Cause it's not to educate.

You posted a list of stones at Si2 that are likely to be a) highly included b) poorly cut c) dogs that will be ugly-- but large-- hunks of dead carbon on the hand. They also probably do not come with any sort of image to verify their appearance and inclusion visibility, let alone a video or an ASET, both of which are extremely helpful in determining the light performance and hence beauty of the stone. And forget any kind of return policy, upgrade policy or anything of the sort.

So let's so HOW exactly is that helpful?

It's not.

Cause I can tell you that the chances this poster is able to find an SI2 OVAL diamond at 2 carats, that is eyeclean and has inclusions that do not pose a threat to the safety of the stone, at I color, and that actually performs ADEQUATELY (notice I'm not even saying it performs WELL) enough that it would be recommended to purchase are nearly a whopping 1%.

As Brian from WF said in another thread. It's not about price. It's about value. When you are buying a diamond the biggest thing you have going against you is your own ignorance. We try to assist with that here. And to date, in none of your posts, have you actually done this. And I have actually read all SIXTEEN of them. So that's probably why people are calling you a troll.

But just so I can take this moment and do what *I* do best, which is educate posters here. This is for YOUR FYI.

As Brian from WF said TO YOU in another thread. It's not about the lowest price. It's about value.

Most of the sellers I've linked to here are operating under slim margins ALREADY. The fact that several of them offer things like ASETs and videos and huge photographic mug shots of the stones and a gemologist to examine the stone IN PERSON is the VALUE they provide. All these things cost MONEY.

And since you appear to be confused: You know what isn't of value? Posting a list of SI2 I color 2 carat ovals.

I can pull up a list of stones too! Isn't that cool. Just by using the diamond search here! You know why I don't? Cause it's not helpful.

But here, to give you perspective, are the results on the PS diamond search. OH MY! Look at that. The prices are the ACTUALLY LOWER than the ones you posted, all except the first stone in the list! OH NO! There goes your argument that everyone here is out to rip this guy off.

Wasn't that helpful?

Well, in this case it was. To illustrate my point. Which is that if you aren't a troll you are giving a remarkably great performance as one. Oscar worthy even. :nono:

not_helpful.jpg
 

Kirand

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Gypsy|1461132253|4021532 said:
This is a really nice stone:
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/Oval/GIA-Certified-1-8-Carat-G-Color-SI1-Clarity-Diamond-TLD415 Great ASET for an oval. It is at the top of your budget.

This one is 2k less:
https://enchanteddiamonds.com//view/Oval/GIA-Certified-1-5-Carat-H-Color-VS2-Clarity-Diamond-36D349

I'd put the 1.8 on hold if I were you.

You are awesome!!

I am able to view the first link you posted but not the second one for some reason? since the 1.8 is 12,290 and you mentioned the second one was 2k less, i was really excited to compare the two.

Also would you recommend with your experience if i should also order the setting online? i have heard many retailers online do not offer refund for customized rings and i would hate to pay $$$$ for something virtual and not like it in real and be stuck with it. I know finding a local jeweler could be pricey since they have rent and other expenses to consider. any recommendations>?

thank you :angel:
 

Kirand

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VRBeauty|1461139108|4021547 said:
Kirand: One option is to get the center stone of your dreams now, with a much simpler setting, and promise an upgrade at some future time, say a five-year anniversary/


SirDiamondGod|1461136578|4021539 said:
Sorry, I did not know all the rules of Price Scope, my intention is NOT to sell. My intention is to EDUCATE
Perhaps you should take a few moments to educate yourself on those rules, particularly as they pertain to members of the trade. Here you go: https://www.pricescope.com/content/forum-policies


thank you :) yes that's not a bad idea as well.
 

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Gypsy|1461139310|4021548 said:
But here, to give you perspective, are the results on the PS diamond search. OH MY! Look at that. The prices are the ACTUALLY LOWER than the ones you posted, all except the first stone in the list! OH NO! There goes your argument that everyone here is out to rip this guy off.
I guess he's not really a "diamond god"... :lol:
 

Kirand

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Gypsy|1461132253|4021532 said:
This is a really nice stone:
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/Oval/GIA-Certified-1-8-Carat-G-Color-SI1-Clarity-Diamond-TLD415 Great ASET for an oval. It is at the top of your budget.

This one is 2k less:
https://enchanteddiamonds.com//view/Oval/GIA-Certified-1-5-Carat-H-Color-VS2-Clarity-Diamond-36D349

I'd put the 1.8 on hold if I were you.
@Gypsy

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/steven-kirsch-reset-for-my-1-5kvs2-oval.221905/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/steven-kirsch-reset-for-my-1-5kvs2-oval.221905/[/URL]

please tell me you like this with K color oval too?? it is looking great? isnt it? comparing with the K color james ellen oval ?
 

SomethingNew

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I actually did find SirDiamondGod's post to be pretty informative. I didn't look thru his list but I found two possibly same stone, at a lower price on his list compared to James Allen:

Check out his second listing:
2.40ct 9.83x7.01x4.49 64.1% depth, 61% table at $9,978 as compared to JA at $11,700
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/2.04-carat-i-color-si2-clarity-sku-872788
Both stones have very much the same specs.

And this (8th going down his list):
2.01ct 9.97x7.03x4.45 63.3% depth, 60% table at $10,492 as compared to JA at $12,280
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/oval-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si2-clarity-sku-1047701

I won't comment the quality of the stones as I am not an expert. I just want to point out the difference in pricing if they truly are the same stones.

And maybe SirDiamondGod can confirm if they are indeed the same. It seems like you can click on the little certificate icon to the right of the "lab" column.
 

SomethingNew

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Found two more that could possibly be the same stones:

2.09ct
9.48x7.24x4.45
61.5% depth, 54% table
Per SirDiamondGod, it is listed at $10,642 as compared to Union at $12,008
https://www.uniondiamond.com/Oval-Shape-Select-Ideal-Cut-GIA-Certified-209-Carat-I-Color-SI2-Clarity_AE1287295&ptc=PS
And what is the point for the list price of $21,299?

2.20ct
10.50x7.18x4.52
62.9% depth, 57% table
SirDiamondGod list has $11,792, B2C has $11,989, closest
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8244633-2.20-carat-Oval-diamond-I-color-SI2-Clarity.aspx?sku=8244633&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

So now I am sure a lot of people might want to know.... how can we do similar searches on different specs we are interested in? :confused: :confused:
 

Gypsy

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SomethingNew.

Diamonds are often listed on multiple sites. You just need to do a search for the lab report number on Google to pull that up.


Again: We are talking about ovals. They cannot be judged by the numbers. Only from performance and faceting which online means images and ASET and videos.

AND we are talking about Si2 clarity. Most of which are not eyeclean.

So if you are talking about that post being helpful to this poster, who is looking for a stone buy. It's not. If it's helpful to you to see what the online pricing is. VALUE is not the same as lowest price. The fact that several of the vendors you've talked out offer things like ASETs and videos and huge photographic mug shots of the stones and a gemologist to examine the stone IN PERSON is the VALUE they provide. All these things cost MONEY, which is why you see mark ups.

Are you saying that you don't think jewelers should charge for their services?
 

SomethingNew

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Gypsy|1461210852|4021944 said:
SomethingNew.

Diamonds are often listed on multiple sites. You just need to do a search for the lab report number on Google to pull that up.


Again: We are talking about ovals. They cannot be judged by the numbers. Only from performance and faceting which online means images and ASET and videos.

AND we are talking about Si2 clarity. Most of which are not eyeclean.

So if you are talking about that post being helpful to this poster, who is looking for a stone buy. It's not. If it's helpful to you to see what the online pricing is. VALUE is not the same as lowest price. The fact that several of the vendors you've talked out offer things like ASETs and videos and huge photographic mug shots of the stones and a gemologist to examine the stone IN PERSON is the VALUE they provide. All these things cost MONEY, which is why you see mark ups.

Are you saying that you don't think jewelers should charge for their services?
Don't get me wrong, Gypsy. I don't necessarily disagree with you, I am simply pointing out the price difference, just so that we can all become smarter shopper and better negotiator. As for DiamondGod's pricing, I don't know what they represent, could be retail, could be wholesale. It's sort of like buying a car, the invoice price sometimes doesn't mean much, as there are often cash back/dealer incentives. I can't really comment on any specific stone, even though I just bought an oval, but I am still a novice.

My point is if any buyer (including me) has better understanding on pricing, they can make a more conscious decision on the type of added value they are paying for, such as ASETS, images. That's why B&M stores may demand even higher price, when the customer can actually see and feel the stone.

Hope that make sense.
 
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