Need advice on price

[ctnsf2000]

Here are the specs!!!


Table: 56%
Depth: 62.5%
Pav Angle:40.8%
Crown Angle: 35.5%

Girdle - Medium to slightly thick (faceted) Does this make the stone look smaller?


Please advise if this diamond will perform well.

 

[ctnsf2000]

Date: 5/3/2007 6:23:14 PM
Author: JulieN
At the extremes of the Excellent cut grade, there are proportions that would not perform as well as proportions near the VG/EX border.

I feel like D/E VVS2/VS1 is a better balance than F VVS1.

Julie,

I have been told that D and E stones look very similar while F is closer to G. However, when I put the E an F stone next to each other, I could not see the color difference. The brilliance sort of overtook the color in the 2 diamonds I compared.

I even put it on a white piece of paper and I could not see the difference. Am I not placing them correctly to see the contrast?

 

[ctnsf2000]

Date: 5/3/2007 7:35:14 PM
Author: elmo

Date: 5/3/2007 12:38:41 PM
Author:ctnsf2000
I am shopping for a diamond and wanted to know if I am being over charged for this diamond since it is shy of 2.00 carat and demanding a close to 2 carat price.

You hit the nail on the head - under 2 carats at a 2 carat price. It would be a much better ''value'' (if you can call it that) to get something just over 2 carats at a similar price per carat. p.s. I agree with Julie, I''d rather have 2 carats and D-E VVS2-VS1 at about the same price.

The similar diamond at 2.01, it will cost 39.5K which is 2.5K more for .05 carat differences. Is that worth it?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 5/3/2007 7:36:32 PM
Author: ctnsf2000
Here are the specs!!!


Table: 56%
Depth: 62.5%
Pav Angle:40.8%
Crown Angle: 35.5%

Girdle - Medium to slightly thick (faceted) Does this make the stone look smaller?


Please advise if this diamond will perform well.

It''s facing up a wee bit small, even though we don''t have the true diameter. You know both numbers are in the 7''s. Ideally it should face up somewhere around 8.10-8.12. Not horrible, and at this size, not noticable.

As for how it will perform, we can''t know that. GIA rounds there numbers (so these don''t tell the whole story), so you''d need to at least get a Sarin report, and preferably an IS or ASET image.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 5/3/2007 8:01:39 PM
Author: ctnsf2000


The similar diamond at 2.01, it will cost 39.5K which is 2.5K more for .05 carat differences. Is that worth it?

I personally wouldn''t think so.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 5/3/2007 7:51:27 PM
Author: ctnsf2000

Date: 5/3/2007 6:23:14 PM
Author: JulieN
At the extremes of the Excellent cut grade, there are proportions that would not perform as well as proportions near the VG/EX border.

I feel like D/E VVS2/VS1 is a better balance than F VVS1.

Julie,

I have been told that D and E stones look very similar while F is closer to G. However, when I put the E an F stone next to each other, I could not see the color difference. The brilliance sort of overtook the color in the 2 diamonds I compared.

I even put it on a white piece of paper and I could not see the difference. Am I not placing them correctly to see the contrast?

I am guessing here, and Julie please correct me if I''m wrong.

I think what she''s saying is, pay more for something you can see (color) than something you can''t (clarity).

 

[ctnsf2000]

Date: 5/3/2007 8:06:15 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 5/3/2007 7:36:32 PM
Author: ctnsf2000
Here are the specs!!!


Table: 56%
Depth: 62.5%
Pav Angle:40.8%
Crown Angle: 35.5%

Girdle - Medium to slightly thick (faceted) Does this make the stone look smaller?


Please advise if this diamond will perform well.

It''s facing up a wee bit small, even though we don''t have the true diameter. You know both numbers are in the 7''s. Ideally it should face up somewhere around 8.10-8.12. Not horrible, and at this size, not noticable.

As for how it will perform, we can''t know that. GIA rounds there numbers (so these don''t tell the whole story), so you''d need to at least get a Sarin report, and preferably an IS or ASET image.

Ellen,

The diameters are 7.94 x 7.99 x4.98.

They have another stone for 42.8K and here are the specs.

2.06
E
VVS1
Polish VG
Symm VG
Table 57%
Depth 61.4%
Thin to Slightly Thick

Diameters 8.14 x 8.24 x5.04

This is an older GIA certificate and does not have the crown and pavilion angle.

Is this a better purchase?

 

[elmo]

Date: 5/3/2007 8:01:39 PM
Author: ctnsf2000
The similar diamond at 2.01, it will cost 39.5K which is 2.5K more for .05 carat differences. Is that worth it?

Diamond prices are based on distinct weight ranges. The price per carat for a diamond in one weight range is normally much higher than in the next lower range. A premium is charged for "oversize" stones at the higher end of a range. But not nearly as much as is asked in this case. Although I think where it's as close as it is here it's not uncommon. Just not something I'd do myself. I'd rather have 1.8x and save 20-30%/carat, assuming you can find this, or have two carats.

 

[ctnsf2000]

Date: 5/3/2007 8:16:52 PM
Author: elmo

Date: 5/3/2007 8:01:39 PM
Author: ctnsf2000
The similar diamond at 2.01, it will cost 39.5K which is 2.5K more for .05 carat differences. Is that worth it?

Diamond prices are based on distinct weight ranges. The price per carat for a diamond in one weight range normally much higher than in the next lower range. A premium is charged for ''oversize'' stones at the higher end of a range. But not nearly as much as is asked in this case. Although I think where it''s as close as it is here isn''t uncommon. Just not something I''d do myself.

That is the problem I can''t quite get over with this stone either.

 

[ctnsf2000]

Date: 5/3/2007 8:16:52 PM
Author: elmo

Date: 5/3/2007 8:01:39 PM
Author: ctnsf2000
The similar diamond at 2.01, it will cost 39.5K which is 2.5K more for .05 carat differences. Is that worth it?

Diamond prices are based on distinct weight ranges. The price per carat for a diamond in one weight range is normally much higher than in the next lower range. A premium is charged for ''oversize'' stones at the higher end of a range. But not nearly as much as is asked in this case. Although I think where it''s as close as it is here it''s not uncommon. Just not something I''d do myself. I''d rather have 1.8x and save 20-30%/carat, assuming you can find this, or have two carats.

Can a 1.8x look close to a 2.0?

 

[Ellen]

A 1.8 will definitely give the "look" of a 2 ct., assuming it''s facing up as it should.

As for the other stone you posted, we still need everything I listed before.

Can I ask, are you looking online or privately?

 

[pyramid]

I am just a consumer and no expert but as I posted earlier on this thread if a quick run on the polishing wheel removes the feather then the diamond may be graded Flawless or Internally Flawless, that is why the certificate has the word Potential after the clarity grade. I don't know if this affects the price but an appraiser like Oldminer, Rockdoc, Richard Sherwood, Neil Beattie etc. would know. If diamonds are put on the polishing wheel I have read there are risks so I would think you would need to consult an appraiser with a diamond like this anyway. If it does end up Flawless it is only worth the price to you if you appreciate and need something like that, meaning purity, rarity etc.

As diamonds are not good investments like property and such most people would not think it is worth the extra money. Now if you were asking millionaires maybe they would think it was, but then they would probably think a 2 carat diamond was tiny and want a Flawless 9 carat or something.

 

[ctnsf2000]

Date: 5/3/2007 8:29:14 PM
Author: Ellen
A 1.8 will definitely give the ''look'' of a 2 ct., assuming it''s facing up as it should.

As for the other stone you posted, we still need everything I listed before.

Can I ask, are you looking online or privately?

These stones are with a retailer.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 5/3/2007 8:40:44 PM
Author: ctnsf2000
These stones are with a retailer.

Ok! Do you know if he carries any AGS000? THAT would be a much easier, much safer way to go. They grade on light performance, and give accurate numbers. In other words, they pretty much take the guess work out.

I would ask to see those if he has any in what you are looking for, and if not, to call some in with the exact specs you want.