More On That Villain, Trump

[momhappy]

^yes, that many of us can agree on
I think about that awful mayor Toronto had (Rob Ford) and all of the media coverage, jokes, skits, etc. Obviously, the presidency is a much larger scale A Trump presidency would give SNL material for years to come....

I do genuinely feel bad for level headed conservatives. We may differ on issues, but you dont deserve this mockery made of your party.

No, but I don't think the democrats have any better in this election. Hillary & Bernie may not get the media coverage that Trump does, but their crazy well runs pretty deep too IMO, so I feel sorry for democrats too. The whole thing is a mess as far as I'm concerned.

Well, this went condescending pretty quickly.


The two are not the same. As sad as you may find it, the Dems aren't ashamed of their two remaining options.

I didn't intend to be condescending, so if my post came off that way, I apologize. There are some of us that feel like Hillary and Bernie are on par with Trump, so that's why I was saying that I feel bad for the democrats who are not happy with their choices either. I suppose the two are not exactly the same, but to those of us who see issues with the candidates on both sides, it's not all that different. I would agree with you that Trump would be much more of an embarrassment than Hillary for example, but Hillary has her own set of issues that many find unsettling.

 

[Niel]

^yes, that many of us can agree on
I think about that awful mayor Toronto had (Rob Ford) and all of the media coverage, jokes, skits, etc. Obviously, the presidency is a much larger scale A Trump presidency would give SNL material for years to come....

I do genuinely feel bad for level headed conservatives. We may differ on issues, but you dont deserve this mockery made of your party.

No, but I don't think the democrats have any better in this election. Hillary & Bernie may not get the media coverage that Trump does, but their crazy well runs pretty deep too IMO, so I feel sorry for democrats too. The whole thing is a mess as far as I'm concerned.

Well, this went condescending pretty quickly.


The two are not the same. As sad as you may find it, the Dems aren't ashamed of their two remaining options.

I didn't intend to be condescending, so if my post came off that way, I apologize. There are some of us that feel like Hillary and Bernie are on par with Trump, so that's why I was saying that I feel bad for the democrats who are not happy with their choices either. I suppose the two are not exactly the same, but to those of us who see issues with the candidates on both sides, it's not all that different. I would agree with you that Trump would be much more of an embarrassment than Hillary for example, but Hillary has her own set of issues that many find unsettling.

There's clear divides between parties. I find Cruz's rhetoric and Rubios statements about social rights deeply disturbing. But I wouldn't even consider them on the level of Trump. I think I understand that you have deep problems with our candidates, and we have deep problems with yours. But I take exception to the comparison that a seasoned politicall candidate like Hillary is on par with a rambling inexperienced child like Trump.

 

[Laila619]

I blame the big money donors who backed Bush. Why they thought that was a good idea I don't know. They went after Rubio and took him out thinking Trump would take himself out. Rubio wasn't a perfect candidate, but he was a decent one who could have beat Hillery.

I agree. Rubio was a nice, decent option. So of course he's gone now.

Rubio was my guy...

He's a good man, DF. I think he's got a bright future.

 

[kenny]

Senator Rubio was the least butt-ugly of the major candidates.

Looks is all that matters, ya know.

The leading candidate is running on a platform of fear and hate ... why not sex?

Maybe they'll bring him back if he poses for ****, like Trump's wife.

 

[AnnaH]

Thus far, the majority of Republicans have not voted for Trump.
As for national polls, I agree they have been inaccurate. However, there's no way you can say Rubio couldn't have bested Hillery. She's not that popular. Bush supporters spent millions against Rubio early in the race. That's what stopped him.

 

[momhappy]

^yes, that many of us can agree on
I think about that awful mayor Toronto had (Rob Ford) and all of the media coverage, jokes, skits, etc. Obviously, the presidency is a much larger scale A Trump presidency would give SNL material for years to come....

I do genuinely feel bad for level headed conservatives. We may differ on issues, but you dont deserve this mockery made of your party.

No, but I don't think the democrats have any better in this election. Hillary & Bernie may not get the media coverage that Trump does, but their crazy well runs pretty deep too IMO, so I feel sorry for democrats too. The whole thing is a mess as far as I'm concerned.

Well, this went condescending pretty quickly.


The two are not the same. As sad as you may find it, the Dems aren't ashamed of their two remaining options.

I didn't intend to be condescending, so if my post came off that way, I apologize. There are some of us that feel like Hillary and Bernie are on par with Trump, so that's why I was saying that I feel bad for the democrats who are not happy with their choices either. I suppose the two are not exactly the same, but to those of us who see issues with the candidates on both sides, it's not all that different. I would agree with you that Trump would be much more of an embarrassment than Hillary for example, but Hillary has her own set of issues that many find unsettling.

There's clear divides between parties. I find Cruz's rhetoric and Rubios statements about social rights deeply disturbing. But I wouldn't even consider them on the level of Trump. I think I understand that you have deep problems with our candidates, and we have deep problems with yours. But I take exception to the comparison that a seasoned politicall candidate like Hillary is on par with a rambling inexperienced child like Trump.

Yes, I get what you're saying and you're right, I don't consider Hillary's flaws and Trump's flaws to be equal. I think that they each have their own, deeply troubling issues. I think both are incredibly untrustworthy and just because Hillary knows how to handle herself in public, doesn't make her somehow "better" IMO. Sure, Hillary has experience going for her, but unfortunately, that doesn't give her any sort of edge over any of the other candidates and that's why I've made the comments that I have. It's not that I think that the democratic candidates would be the same sort of national embarrassment as Trump would be, but I share the same type of distaste for all of them and that's why I make the comparisons.

 

[kenny]

Thus far, the majority of Republicans have not voted for Trump.
As for national polls, I agree they have been inaccurate. However, there's no way you can say Rubio couldn't have bested Hillery. She's not that popular. Bush supporters spent millions against Rubio early in the race. That's what stopped him.

Yet another reason all primaries & caucuses should be held on the same day instead of spread over four and a half months.

Voters in last states can't vote for all of the original candidates.
That's not fair to those voters, or to the candidates.

Why do we do this?

I've heard it's so the candidates and voters can spend more time getting to know each other.
But one single day is accepted for the final election, so why not for the primaries?

 

[House Cat]

Thus far, the majority of Republicans have not voted for Trump.
As for national polls, I agree they have been inaccurate. However, there's no way you can say Rubio couldn't have bested Hillery. She's not that popular. Bush supporters spent millions against Rubio early in the race. That's what stopped him.

Truth is Rubio didn't make it because he didn't make it, period.

There is no need for any other theories. He couldn't hack it for all of the reasons that were present for every other candidate. Only the strongest survive. We could surmise that if Carson were more energetic, he would still be running or if Bush didn't have a terrible legacy, or, or, or...


I actually liked Rubio a little. I admired the fact that he was willing to fight the good fight against the donald. I hope we see him again, but maybe with a better campaign manager, one who doesn't base his entire campaign on bashing the current president and other candidates. Hopefully Rubio will have a more rounded career the next time he runs.

 

[WeeOui]

Senator Rubio was the least butt-ugly of the major candidates.

Looks is all that matters, ya know.

The leading candidate is running on a platform of fear and hate ... why not sex?

Maybe they'll bring him back if he poses for ****, like Trump's wife.

Too funny! I enjoyed watching Rubio because he's a cutie pie, at least relative to his opponents! My husband would try to get me to watch the debates by telling me "Sweet Cheeks" would be there.

 

[kenny]

The White House press secretary just announced President Sweet Cheeks will address the nation at 8:00 PM EST.

Love it.

 

[AnnaH]

"Rubio didn't make it because he didn't make it"???
We will just have to agree to disagree on what happened in the Rubio campaign.

 

[AGBF]

Back to the topic:

Gail Collins made me laugh with her column today. Depending on your worldview and sense of humor, she may make you laugh, too. Her column is supposedly about "Trump, Cruz, Kasich, and The ladies". It starts off with a bit about the candidates' wives.

"Let’s talk about the Republican presidential candidates … and women.

Not the fight about who has the prettiest wife, which truly tops this week’s list of Things We Never Thought We’d See in a Presidential Election. That was the dust-up in which Donald Trump tweeted an image of his wife, Melania, a former model, next to a rather unflattering picture of Ted Cruz’s wife, Heidi. Cruz called Trump 'a sniveling coward' and delivered a stirring tribute to his spouse that would have been even more moving if it had not been lifted from the 1995 film 'The American President.'

He also said, 'Trump may be a rat, but I have no desire to copulate with him.' There was no indication what the hell that meant, but it definitely did not come from an old Michael Douglas movie.

This was also the week in which Cruz accused Trump of having his 'henchmen' plant a National Enquirer story alleging that Cruz might have had five secret mistresses. Stories suggesting that conservative politicians have had affairs do not come under the heading of Things We Thought We’d Never See, so we will let that one go and move on."

Ms. Collins next moves on to a section in which she discusses where all three candidates stand on reproductive rights (all of them want to close Planned Parenthood which Ms. Collins explains in detail is the only source of birth control other than condoms for many women), and, of course since they are Republicans, it is a given that they all oppose abortion.

"Ted Cruz made his position on contraception clear while campaigning in Iowa. It’s so charming that I am going to quote it in full: 'Last I checked, we don’t have a rubber shortage in America. Look, when I was in college, we had a machine in the bathroom; you put 50 cents in and voilà. So, yes, anyone who wants contraceptives can access them, but it’s an utterly made-up nonsense issue.'

Women whose family planning needs go beyond a vending machine will have to fend for themselves. Cruz is opposed to requiring employers to include contraception in their health care plans. He hates Planned Parenthood so much that he wanted to shut down the federal government to end its funding. Said government funding pays for contraceptives as well as myriad other health services, none involving abortion except for the part where the contraceptives help avoid unwanted pregnancies."

And John Kasich? Will he come to rescue? Here are the facts. "John Kasich isn’t much different. His state has been in a war against Planned Parenthood that has closed down health clinics, cutting off everything from family planning to programs for at-risk expectant mothers. Kasich has said that there are “many different entities” that can take care of the women who were cut adrift. Last year, legislators who supported the defunding put together a list of those entities. They turned out, on second glance, to include senior centers, dentist offices and a food bank."

Then she ties it all up in a bow. Cruz and Kasich are really not completely tuned in to how to stop unwanted pregnancies, which is really the ideal way to avoid abortion, and all we know for sure about Trump is that "he thinks his wife is a real looker".

Link to article...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/26/opinion/trump-cruz-kasich-and-the-ladies.html?ribbon-ad-idx=5&src=trending&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Trending&pgtype=article

AGBF

 

[AGBF]

Here is another great column by a woman in, "The New York Times". It's called, "Naked Lady Politics" and it's written by Jennifer Weiner.

"As the world knows, last week, our Republican presidential contenders quit tussling over whose private parts are bigger, and moved on to the equally compelling question of whose wife is hotter.

To briefly recap: Before last Tuesday’s primaries, a 'super PAC' called — you really can’t make this stuff up — Make America Awesome ran ads on social media targeting Mormon voters in Utah. The spots showed images of Donald J. Trump’s wife, from a 2000 photo shoot with British GQ. 'Meet Melania Trump. Your Next First Lady,' read the text, over a shot of a sultry, nude Mrs. Trump, curled up on a fur. 'Or, You Could Support Ted Cruz on Tuesday.' (Ted Cruz was not pictured.)

Even though the ad didn’t come from the Cruz camp, Mr. Trump was furious — which was more than a little ironic, given the vigor with which he’s been posting provocative shots of his nemesis, the Fox anchor Megyn Kelly, who posed for GQ in a short black slip dress and red high heels. Mr. Trump has retweeted one of his supporters, who called Ms. Kelly a 'bimbo,' and has said she lacks the gravitas to question the candidates. Evidently, in Trumplandia, being scantily clad means you’re no longer qualified to be a journalist, but being naked means you’re perfectly qualified to be first lady."

...and there's more. She has a thesis.

"In this strangest of primary seasons, women exist primarily in terms of their relationships to the men they marry or question or critique. They can either be beauties or beasts or 'the love of my life.' They can be 'crazy' or 'losers,' 'fat pigs' or 'dogs.' They can be mothers and daughters. They can be the currency with which you buy voters’ belief in your machismo and alpha-maleness, or they can be the sand you kick in the face of a 'New York bully.' In every case, whether they are assets or liabilities, they are objects. In no case are they people."


Click on the link.

Article...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/opinion/campaign-stops/naked-lady-politics.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=image&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

AGBF

 

[AGBF]

Some of you may prefer television to, "The New York Times", but women are still the issue.

TV news...http://www.cbsnews.com/news/campaign-2016-how-do-women-voters-really-feel-about-donald-trump/

 

[partgypsy]

For those not on Facebook here is a youtube version of the "on a lighter note" post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

 

[AnnaH]

There aren't many Americans, conservative or not, who have a problem with contraceptives. It's one of those pretend controversies.

 

[liaerfbv]

There aren't many Americans, conservative or not, who have a problem with contraceptives. It's one of those pretend controversies.

Except it's not really pretend at all, considering access to contraceptives is increasingly under fire - Hobby Lobby SCOTUS ruling, the defunding of Planned Parenthood, the Zubik case currently pending... I mean you can think what you want, but do a little research before you make patently false statements.

 

[AGBF]

There aren't many Americans, conservative or not, who have a problem with contraceptives. It's one of those pretend controversies.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I posted about contraceptives. I was not discussing whether they were controversial, but whether they would be available to women if a Republican were elected president, given the Republican drive to destroy Planned Parenthood. Or do you agree with Senator Cruz that 50 cents in the men's room is adequate protection for women?

 

[House Cat]

http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

 

[AGBF]

http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

At least she came to her senses! But, then, she had the advantage of proximity. Unfortunately, not everyone gets to see Donald Trump up close and personal the way she did and not everyone is as observant. As I have said before, if everyone were truly observant, women wouldn't be voting for him. No, I will correct myself. Only women with specific psychological quirks and masochists would be voting for him. I am not sure what those psychological quirks might be as I have not psychoanalyzed the women. It would make an interesting PhD. thesis topic, though. Can you imagine submitting the topic for your dissertation? "I will explore why observant women (not religiously observant) voted for Donald Trump when they had no masochistic tendencies".

 

[missy]

There aren't many Americans, conservative or not, who have a problem with contraceptives. It's one of those pretend controversies.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I posted about contraceptives. I was not discussing whether they were controversial, but whether they would be available to women if a Republican were elected president, given the Republican drive to destroy Planned Parenthood. Or do you agree with Senator Cruz that 50 cents in the men's room is adequate protection for women?

Yes let's never forget that we as women will never be safe while we continue to vote for politicians that are anti women. IMO.

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[AGBF]

There aren't many Americans, conservative or not, who have a problem with contraceptives. It's one of those pretend controversies.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I posted about contraceptives. I was not discussing whether they were controversial, but whether they would be available to women if a Republican were elected president, given the Republican drive to destroy Planned Parenthood. Or do you agree with Senator Cruz that 50 cents in the men's room is adequate protection for women?

Yes let's never forget that we as women will never be safe while we continue to vote for politicians that are anti women. IMO.

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I haven't read the new, proposed law yet, missy. I know what I'll think of it, of course. But now I have read your poll. I absolutely adore your poll, especially number three. I know for sure I will be picking number three which says I think of the law:


"3. Great idea, women should not be in control of their own bodies when it comes to unborn fetuses"

I think male-dominated legislatures should be in charge of all aspects of a woman's sexuality from what she wears on the street (lest she entice men to rape her) to what she is allowed to do in bed and with whom. (We should know who is a slut and who is a good girl.) Men should label women-I mean girls-and watch over the good ones. Protect the good ones from harming themselves with stupid things they would otherwise do. Sluts should be punished by having to have babies if they pregnant. No abortions. And if they want to try to have one, do those transvaginal ultrasounds to them to show them pictures. But I'm getting carried away. This belongs in the other thread. Trump is for all of this, of course, being a Republican. So maybe it belongs here, too.

 

[missy]

Deb, exactly!

But really this is how I feel about those who want to tell us what to do with our bodies and all aspects of our sexuality etc.

 

[Matata]

A villain and his merry band of thugs. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/corey-lewandowski-charged_us_56fa9acae4b014d3fe24251f

 

[AnnaH]

The idea that poor women can't survive without planned parenthood supplying them with birth control is another pretense.
Not going along with the crowd doesn't equal ignorance.

 

[monarch64]

The idea that poor women can't survive without planned parenthood supplying them with birth control is another pretense.
Not going along with the crowd doesn't equal ignorance.

Totally agree. Planned Parenthood shouldn't be the only game in town. Here we have several options where women of varying income levels can obtain low-cost birth control.