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stci

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FacetFire, I adore your ring!


Can I request information on your ring? Is that done? I would not like to copy it (I do not have enough money in any case) but I would like to know at which place you bought your mounting and of which size is your superb diamond?

If my questions are too indiscreet, don''t hesitate to tell me...

Excuse my bad english... hope you can understand what I write ...
 

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FacetFire

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Thanks for putting up the link Poptart!

I agree, your English is wonderful! My stone is an Old European Cut (2.3 carats, I color, SI clarity) that I got from a local vendor in NC...but they don't specialize in OECs. You can see a lot of OEC rings here: www.faycullen.com

The setting is made by Michael Bondanza http://www.michaelbondanza.com/
My finace pruchased the setting through a vendor who visits these boards: Bill Pearlman http://www.michaelbondanza.com/

Thank you for the compliments! I am happy to answer any other questions that you have!
 

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Facetfire...how long did it take to find your oec? Right now I''m looking, but not having any luck.
 

FacetFire

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Hmmm...FI found it, so I am not exactly sure. But not too long...he gave our jeweler an idea of budget and size and she found it. I think we got really lucky...she said there were not a lot out there. How are you going about finding one? There are gorgeous ones online and in estate jewelry stores. Have you talked to some of the jewelers on this site?
 

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Yes...I''m having Bob look for me. And I saw a couple on Fay Cullan, but wrong size. But I''m going to keep looking. Thanks.
 

poptart

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Gothgrrl, I would suggest looking up antique jewelry stores in your area. I couldn''t find an OEC in regular jewelry stores, but I found an ALL antique jewelry store that had TONS of OECs from the early 1900s.

*M*
 

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Gothgrrl (and stci if you''re looking for old cut diamonds):

You might try contacting Ari at www.singlestone.com ...they specialize in old cut diamonds (OEC and OMC), and I think always have some available for sale....

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Gothgrrl

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Poptart...I inquired at several antique jewelry stores. They are just so hard to find. They told me the ones that are left are being re-cut into modern stones. I''ll keep trying.

Thanks Widget. Do they sell just the stones or are they already set into a ring.
 

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Date: 1/12/2007 11:16:22 PM
Author: Gothgrrl
Poptart...I inquired at several antique jewelry stores. They are just so hard to find. They told me the ones that are left are being re-cut into modern stones. I''ll keep trying.

Thanks Widget. Do they sell just the stones or are they already set into a ring.
That''s a shame they want to recut them! It makes me so sad! I better get my hands on an OEC before it''s too late. The one store I know of, and I believe it ships, is http://www.antoinettesjewelry.com/. Her OECs are already set in the rings, but I''ve seen them (that''s where I just got my antique ruby ring) and the owner is really helpful so she might be able to lead you to another dealer that could help you since she travels all over. It''s based in Utah (amazing, I know), but she''s really knowledgable.

*M*
 

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Thank you so much poptart.
 

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Date: 1/12/2007 11:28:57 PM
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Thank you so much poptart.
Sure, no problem. Good luck with your search!

*M*
 

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Some other sites to look at:

www.wannabuyawatch.com
www.artdecodiamonds.com
www.antiqueengagementrings.com
www.tias.com/stores/doyledoyle
www.rauantiques.com
www.langantiques.com
www.nelsonraritiesrings.com
www.estatediamondjewelry.com
www.topazery.com

Hope that helps!
 

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Date: 1/12/2007 11:16:22 PM
Author: Gothgrrl

Thanks Widget. Do they sell just the stones or are they already set into a ring.
Yes, I think they do.

A while ago I contacted them regarding old-cut pairs (for earrings). He said they get them fairly frequently, and immediately sent me pictures of two pairs they had available that weren't listed on their website.

They were mounted, but Ari said they'd sell them unmounted if I was interested. I suspect this is true for for all the diamonds they sell...at least those currently mounted in "neo-classical" (repro) settings. Why not call and ask??

(I'm such an enabler...
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stci

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The more I search, the more I don''t understand why vendor don''t give us all the information about diamond. They gave color, clarity and that''s all. Fay Callen as exemple or Antoinette''s Antique Jewelry. For me, it''s dramatic cause it''s my only reference. It''s very hard to buy an ering in this condition.
 

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Date: 1/14/2007 1:47:56 AM
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The more I search, the more I don''t understand why vendor don''t give us all the information about diamond. They gave color, clarity and that''s all. Fay Callen as exemple or Antoinette''s Antique Jewelry. For me, it''s dramatic cause it''s my only reference. It''s very hard to buy an ering in this condition.
The reason that you can''t get much information about it is because the cuts are Old European Cuts and were cut in the early 1900s (at least I know Antoinette''s jewelry is actually antique but I can''t speak for Fay Cullen as I''ve never shopped there). Therefore, they are not graded with GIA reports and the like because, as far as I know, they don''t have a grading scale for Old European Cut diamonds. Color and clarity are pretty much all there is to go off of in these antique cuts because there weren''t any real standards yet. But anyway, just keep posting your questions up here and maybe we can help you some more.

*M*
 

stci

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Thank you Poptart! I understand better now.

I see regularly OEC with color like J, K, L... I'm afraid about that. I don't like diamond with yellow or brown tint. Does I have something which I could do to reassure me on this subject? Several salesmen say that the EOC are beautiful even if the color is more towards to the yellow. Is this true?
 

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Most of the OECs that you find will be of lower colors. I was told that the mines that were producing diamonds during the period they were cutting OECs tended to have lower color stones in them. I found mostly H-M color when I was looking. My OEC is an I/J and I can tell you that they really are beautiful in the lower colors...I think that''s part of the antique charm of having an older cut stone. But, if it does bother you, there are high color OECs out there, but they will be harder to find. Personally, I wouldn''t want an OEC in a D-F color, because they just don''t have the same appeal to me. I wanted an OEC because I wanted the antique look...
 

stci

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I found a website who say this: "Old mine diamonds do not have very good brilliance due to their poor proportions, and are valued as recut candidates. An old European diamond is like an old mine diamond except that it is round. Old European diamonds suffer from the same defects as old mine diamonds: large culet, shallow bottom, tiny table facet, and very steep crown."

http://www.jewelrynewsletter.com/page3.htm

I don't understand why? The Facetfire's ring is simply incredible! Soooooooo beautiful...

Here is another citation: "The European cut (also known as the old European cut) is an old, round diamond cut that is similar to but less bright than the newer brilliant cut. The European cut has a very small table and heavy crown."

http://www.original-diamonds.com/dictionary_e.php


 

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stci

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It''s difficult to know where is the truth. I find another website where a specialist say this: "The old European cut diamonds were very brilliant, beautiful stones and are great values if you are considering buying a diamond."

It seam that the experts don''t have all the same opinion on the value of these diamonds (OEC).

For me, I prefer this idea with does not matter that it other!
 

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Date: 1/14/2007 10:11:48 PM
Author: stci
It''s difficult to know where is the truth. I find another website where a specialist say this: ''The old European cut diamonds were very brilliant, beautiful stones and are great values if you are considering buying a diamond.''

It seam that the experts don''t have all the same opinion on the value of these diamonds (OEC).

For me, I prefer this idea with does not matter that it other!
Well stci, each diamond is different, so a very poorly cut OEC isn''t going to be very brilliant, but then again, neither is a poorly cut modern round. I find OEC''s to be much more appealing because they have an old world feel and character that modern cuts just don''t. They have big, chunky facets that throw off a lot of color. And it is true that most of them are in warmer colors, but let me tell you this... I am very color sensitive and I saw my first OEC in real life recently and it was a J. It was a gorgeous stone and the warmth just added to the cut and made it even more beautiful. Normally I don''t like warmer colored stones, but in these old cuts it really is beautiful. I think you might have to see one and look at it close up to see if you really like it, but they truly are lovely. Just remember that EVERY diamond is different, and some throw off more colors than others.

*M*
 

stci

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Never see a real OEC before. I think from Quebec Canada, it will be difficult to see one cause everybody have a round brilliant diamond cut. I don't know why but it's like this. I continue to search for an Old European Cut diamond for me and I have found this website. Perhaps that will be help other users who search too. Here is the link: https://www.artdecodiamonds.com/products.php?type=5
 

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That''s a great site! Thanks! If there''s any more we can do to help with your search, please let us know! You really have to hunt to find these stones sometimes.

*M*
 

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Facetfire, may I ask where you purchased your OEC? I''ll understand if you don''t want to give the name of them.
 

FacetFire

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FI purchased it through a woman named Kathie at Grimball Jewelers in Chapel Hill, NC. They don''t stock OECs, though. She happened to find one through a NYC diamond vendor (it was only one of maybe 3 she found, but it happened to fit exactly what FI was looking for). The only reason I don''t post the info up as soon as someone asks about my stone is that I think they''d probably have a better chance of finding one through some of the sites I mentioned...
 

Gothgrrl

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Thank you. Some of the one''s that were recomended sounds good. I''m going to try single stone.
 

stci

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I need you, it''s important for me. I entirely trust you. If I pay 2100$ for an OEC of 1 ct, SI2, I-J color, it this correct? Diamond comes with a platinum mounting but I do not like it too much.

For the price, what do you think honestly?
 

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Date: 1/16/2007 10:32:45 PM
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I need you, it''s important for me. I entirely trust you. If I pay 2100$ for an OEC of 1 ct, SI2, I-J color, it this correct? Diamond comes with a platinum mounting but I do not like it too much.

For the price, what do you think honestly?
$2100 sounds like a fair price, especially with the platinum mounting, but it''s hard to say without seeing it. Do you have a picture of it?

*M*
 

FacetFire

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THat sounds a bit low compared to some of the OECs I''ve seen lately. I''ve been looking for one that it about .70 carats, and the prices have been around what you have found. What kind of store is offering the stone? Estate jewelery store, pawn shop, etc? That''ll make a big difference in price. BUt more importantly, take the diamond in a lot of different lights and look at how it sparkles. If it doesn''t impress you, if you don''t love it, don''t get it. OECs are all cut so differently, so are incredible stones, some are just dead. If you could get a pic, that would really help us evealuate the stone...
 
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