Khalil Mahmoud

[telephone89]

That headline should be accurately reframed to read:

"Hamas and Iran's causation of the war in Gaza has inflicted the unintentional death of over 17,000 children in Gaza as Israel works to defend it's country".

Now you have an accurate headline.

Shooting a child in the back is not defending anything. It's murder. Hope that helps.

 

[Calliecake]

How can things ever be normal when it's required to have a safe room in one's house and when one's subconscious is always wondering when the next strike will come and when one's life seems to be living from one PTSD moment to the next.

Sometimes something can happen in a person’s life that one can never fully recover from. After some time we get on with our lives, we are happy and joyful, but it’s always still there. It becomes a part of you and unfortunately even if you are fine for decades, it’s still there.

 

[Calliecake]

I wish I could hug your daughter @Rockdiamond

 

[LightBright]

I listen to independent media but also have followed people and organizations who have family, friends or professional contacts in Gaza. In Gaza after 10/7, I watched as numerous journalists, including from Al Jazeera, got killed. But first their entire families were killed. It was shocking. (The journalist from The Grayzone was American so they captured him, treated him badly, and sent him home).

Then all the negotiators who were working on diplomacy with Israel were killed in exactly the same way. (Recently, Iran’s chief negotiator was killed in exactly the same way.) World Central Kitchen workers in a caravan were killed, with another WCK facility and more fatalities later. I read about doctors working at hospitals, same fate, multiple UN workers, even professors.

I don’t believe this is made up or biased reporting. It looks to me like professionals with influence/reach were being targeted and eliminated. The excuse was they had ties to Hamas or were adjacent to Hamas facilities. The result was less reporting and visibility on what was actually happening.

Thousands of civilians, the kids, extended families were in the line of fire, they tried to walk out of the cities to a safer place. The cities were systematically flattened around them, Gaza now looks like Dresden or Hiroshima.

At a minimum, tens of thousands are victims and cities are gone. This appears to be intentional, methodical and vindictive.

“We were aiming at legitimate targets but other things got in the way”.

Haaretz came out with an article today admitting that food lines were being sprayed with gunfire, with 549 civilian deaths since starting. People trying to escape to Egypt were denied entry. I read about someone’s young cousin dying of heatstroke on the way there. Refugee tent camps far away from anything were urged as the only safe place. (Then were attacked.) You won’t go home again.

I’m not even sure why the word genocide is special. It seeks to separate groups into those with a special status (claiming their sole right to victimhood because they were attacked?) so their pain is worse? And losses worse? And they have a right to retaliate -this- way?

The other side doesn’t qualify for genocide, for technical reasons. But a longer history tells a longer story about victims and aggressors.

This seems like extreme tribal compartmentalization. Israel is doing this because they want to eliminate Hamas and any future danger. But talking to people, they consider and are acting as if all of Palestinian Gaza is that danger.

To be accurate, from the way Hamas acted on 10/7 and prior, they think the same way. Extreme compartmentalism.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Shooting a child in the back is not defending anything. It's murder. Hope that helps.

You know, it doesn't help. It is inflammatory and we don't have pictures of the incident, documentation of how and why it happened and whether it was accidental but fanning the flames without the full scope of the action is wasted effort to me.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Sometimes something can happen in a person’s life that one can never fully recover from. After some time we get on with our lives, we are happy and joyful, but it’s always still there. It becomes a part of you and unfortunately even if you are fine for decades, it’s still there.

This is true for all of us, the scorching details of tragic happenings in our lives are never erased, never. Even the simple, uncomplicated death of a loved one leaves another heart scar. To withstand the assaults of those attacks in Israel and carry on will take much effort without complete resolution. Hopefully, in time the smiles will return even with their history.

 

[Rockdiamond]

AAAND.....
We need to replace a billion bucks worth of bombs asap, right?
Killing each other is convenient and profitable for the ones doing the killing- on ANY and ALL sides

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

I listen to independent media but also have followed people and organizations who have family, friends or professional contacts in Gaza. In Gaza after 10/7, I watched as numerous journalists, including from Al Jazeera, got killed. But first their entire families were killed. It was shocking. (The journalist from The Grayzone was American so they captured him, treated him badly, and sent him home).

Then all the negotiators who were working on diplomacy with Israel were killed in exactly the same way. (Recently, Iran’s chief negotiator was killed in exactly the same way.) World Central Kitchen workers in a caravan were killed, with another WCK facility and more fatalities later. I read about doctors working at hospitals, same fate, multiple UN workers, even professors.

I don’t believe this is made up or biased reporting. It looks to me like professionals with influence/reach were being targeted and eliminated. The excuse was they had ties to Hamas or were adjacent to Hamas facilities. The result was less reporting and visibility on what was actually happening.

Thousands of civilians, the kids, extended families were in the line of fire, they tried to walk out of the cities to a safer place. The cities were systematically flattened around them, Gaza now looks like Dresden or Hiroshima.

At a minimum, tens of thousands are victims and cities are gone. This appears to be intentional, methodical and vindictive.

“We were aiming at legitimate targets but other things got in the way”.

Haaretz came out with an article today admitting that food lines were being sprayed with gunfire, with 549 civilian deaths since starting. People trying to escape to Egypt were denied entry. I read about someone’s young cousin dying of heatstroke on the way there. Refugee tent camps far away from anything were urged as the only safe place. (Then were attacked.) You won’t go home again.

I’m not even sure why the word genocide is special. It seeks to separate groups into those with a special status (claiming their sole right to victimhood because they were attacked?) so their pain is worse? And losses worse? And they have a right to retaliate -this- way?

The other side doesn’t qualify for genocide, for technical reasons. But a longer history tells a longer story about victims and aggressors.

This seems like extreme tribal compartmentalization. Israel is doing this because they want to eliminate Hamas and any future danger. But talking to people, they consider and are acting as if all of Palestinian Gaza is that danger.

To be accurate, from the way Hamas acted on 10/7 and prior, they think the same way. Extreme compartmentalism.

There are so many levels included in these attacks including the facts that Hamas used civilians and facilities not normally attacked to hide and continue their efforts. Were people killed that shouldn't have been attacked, I'm sure that happened and it makes me sick. That is why I pray everyday for peace in this world and perhaps now there are inroads for stabilization. I'm old and so tired of wars and evil people. God help us all.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

AAAND.....
We need to replace a billion bucks worth of bombs asap, right?
Killing each other is convenient and profitable for the ones doing the killing- on ANY and ALL sides

Did you share that declaration with Iran who was working on a nuclear weapon and Hamas? I didn't think Israel launched a counterattack for profit but if you say so...

 

[maryjane04]

You know, it doesn't help. It is inflammatory and we don't have pictures of the incident, documentation of how and why it happened and whether it was accidental but fanning the flames without the full scope of the action is wasted effort to me.

So there's no evidence here.

Were people killed that shouldn't have been attacked, I'm sure that happened and it makes me sick.

But you've justified it here without evidence either.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

So there's no evidence here.




But you've justified it here without evidence either.

I think if one person is held up as "the victim" all the others are overlooked. Was this 13 year old 6' tall, was he carrying a weapon... I don't know and I don't know that others have this information and I'm not excusing the death. The adage that "war is hell" sheds a lot of light on how the battles go and I'm relieved that there may be a light in the window for peace. But that fact seems to be glossed over for many.

Where is the cheering over the fact that a cease-fire is in place at this time?

 

[Rockdiamond]

Did you share that declaration with Iran who was working on a nuclear weapon and Hamas?

I've seen memes to the effect of:
"Ayatollas celebrate using a Nuclear facility to destroy a billion dollars worth of US bombs."
The old saying- the first casualty of war is the truth.
There were so many conflicting reports prior- and now, so many conflicting damage reports that it's really hard to grasp what the actual truth is right now.

If you feel very sure of the information you're getting, I am glad for you- because it's unsettling not knowing what is actually true.
The profit from war is monetary for sure- but it also helps people stay in power.

I have nothing but respect for the Israeli military. They saved my life. The Iron Dome protected me when Hamas attacked with rockets during a visit.
My daughter proudly served in the IDF.

Still- bombs cost money and no one works for free.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

I've seen memes to the effect of:
"Ayatollas celebrate using a Nuclear facility to destroy a billion dollars worth of US bombs."
The old saying- the first casualty of war is the truth.
There were so many conflicting reports prior- and now, so many conflicting damage reports that it's really hard to grasp what the actual truth is right now.

If you feel very sure of the information you're getting, I am glad for you- because it's unsettling not knowing what is actually true.
The profit from war is monetary for sure- but it also helps people stay in power.

I have nothing but respect for the Israeli military. They saved my life. The Iron Dome protected me when Hamas attacked with rockets during a visit.
My daughter proudly served in the IDF.

Still- bombs cost money and no one works for free.

Your daughter sounds like a source of great pride for you, from what I've read in your posts, I'm very impressed. I am also very greatful you escaped with your life and survived an attack from Hamas.

Pictures and reports from unbiased sources including an Iran official have declared the truth of the attacks results, successful. There is always that element spreading falsehoods and printed attacks for political reasons.

And that money for bombs to which you referred, I agree they cost money and oh, that world would never need another one. When we are faced with a nation who's main thrust is a nuclear bomb and who's motto is "death to America",, we would be foolish to ignore their warning to us. Israel would have been their first target.

 

[missy]

@Matata If an atrocious massacre happened to you, to your country - where innocent civilians, babies, children, teens, elderly, were raped, mutilated, tortured, murdered and kidnapped by a Jihadist terror organization that declared it would do it again and again -
what would you do?
What would you like your country to do to protect you and your family?

And you’re mixing the truth
Hamas is the one who kills Palestinian children on purpose
Using them as human shields
Forcing them underground to build tunnels where many hundreds if not thousands have died
We should all be horrified and sickened by the brutality and inhumanity of Hamas. Murdering innocent civilians including babies and children, raping women and taking the elderly as hostages are not the actions of political disagreement but the actions of hate and terrorism.


There can never be a justification or moral ground for the raping, slaughtering, beheading and mutilating men, women, children, and babies. If you believe there is a world where this is justifiable then you don't know what justice is and you are the problem.
This isn't a political fight about land.


If you really care about the prosperity and the lives of the Palestinian people you would stand against Hamas.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that's sole purpose is to kill the Jews. They dont care about their own people. They use their own people as human shields.
Instead of using the global aid to enrich the lives of the Palestinian people they used the aid to fund terrorist attacks.

They make the Manson Family seem like
The Brady Bunch.
Imagine breaking into a home, kidnapping babies, then parading their dead bodies in front of crowds of your own children while cheering and celebrating, claiming "victory' because you killed the BABIES you kidnapped.
Depravity

Do you know what they did to babies on October 7th?
I have seen the evidence of the burning. I have seen photographs of the corpses of those babies in post-mortem. I have spoken to those who were actually there

Remember the Bibas children?
The Bibas story is not a tragedy, as some are calling it. Tragedy connotes some sort of accidental disaster. The Bibas story is a crime of the highest degree. The Bibas story is a horror.
The Bibas story is a stain on the human race. Say their names and never ever forgive or forget.

And this can all stop if Hamas returns the remaining hostages and surrenders

Every single death is on them

 

[missy]

Children are innocents.

They sure are. And guess what? Hamas could end this right now but choose not to

Every. Single. Death. Is. On them. And all who support them.


And I call bull on what you wrote. Unlike Hamas and other terrorists Israelis NEVER purposefully kill any children or civilians. Fact

But again this could all end. If Hamas released the hostages. And you know it

 

[missy]

There's no simple answer.

Actually there is. Don’t elect terrorist sympathizers to office. And don’t support terrorists. It’s not that hard

 

[Ella]

Folks, stay on topic and remember that political candidates are off limits. We're at an inflection point where I am ready to close this thread because of the number of emails I've gotten about it. STOP IT.

 

[Matata]

Do you know what they did to babies on October 7th?

I know what they did to us on 9/11 which was bad enough. I can wish Hamas, all religious extremists for that matter, the death I think they deserve and still be revolted by the manner in which they die. I can feel no remorse for their deaths and still feel regret that they were so awful that I feel no remorse for their deaths. One side says death to the Jews, one side says death to Hamas, I say death to religions.

 

[missy]

I know what they did to us on 9/11 which was bad enough. I can wish Hamas, all religious extremists for that matter, the death I think they deserve and still be revolted by the manner in which they die. I can feel no remorse for their deaths and still feel regret that they were so awful that I feel no remorse for their deaths. One side says death to the Jews, one side says death to Hamas, I say death to religions.

I wholeheartedly agree

But, for the record one can’t compare Hamas a terrorist organization with the Jewish people. Not the same animal. Not even close

 

[Matata]

But, for the record one can’t compare Hamas a terrorist organization with the Jewish people. Not the same animal. Not even close

Is this true @missy? If so it doesn't speak well for the government; if not, why is Haaretz publishing lies? I don't know anything about the political leaning of the paper, only that google says it's the longest running still in print.

IDF soldiers ordered to shoot deliberately at unarmed Gazans waiting for humanitarian aid

***

www.haaretz.com

 

[missy]

@Matata I don’t believe it. Here’s why.

Haaretz is known for its critical stance towards the Israeli government

It advocates for extreme liberal and progressive viewpoints.

Its publisher, Amos Schocken, has made controversial statements criticizing the government's policies and actions.

In 2024, comments made by its publisher sparked a backlash, including calls for government boycotts and cancellations of subscription


There have been numerous cases where Haaretz has posted hearsay without facts

Summing up according to Haaretz: Israel can’t do anything right


Some of the opinion pieces are quite out there, and the English online version usually cherry picks and reflects the ones that can be used (and are indeed if you read the comments) by anti-Zionist on a blood libel against Israel.

The saddest thing is that traditionally, Haaretz was the journal of the Zionist Left in Israel. I know people who won’t read it anymore because it has become so biased and intentionally misleading.

 

[missy]

@Matata

“ Israel's Foreign Ministry responded to the secretary-general's remarks, accusing the UN of "aligning itself with Hamas."

"Blaming Israel for the UN's failures and for Hamas's deeds is a deliberate tactic," the ministry added. It denied that the Israeli army ever targeted civilians, and said anyone who disagrees is "blatantly lying."

 

[Matata]

@missy, thank you for taking the time to explain about Haaretz.

 

[nala]

@missy i feel sorry for you. I think you assume that no one here acknowledged 10/7 and so you are on a vendetta. We did. We know. We just can’t do much about it but Israel has been avenging every victim. Be at ease.
I don’t know how to help you. But I promise you, neither does the current administration. Please don’t trust them. Wake up and realize that all the hatred you are spewing is not going to help your cause. Hatred makes a person bitter. And the current administration is just using you. They will turn on you. They are only loyal to themselves.

 

[missy]

@missy i feel sorry for you. I think you assume that no one here acknowledged 10/7 and so you are on a vendetta. We did. We know. We just can’t do much about it but Israel has been avenging every victim. Be at ease.
I don’t know how to help you. But I promise you, neither does the current administration. Please don’t trust them. Wake up and realize that all the hatred you are spewing is not going to help your cause. Hatred makes a person bitter. And the current administration is just using you. They will turn on you. They are only loyal to themselves.

That makes us even because I truly feel sad for you and for everyone else who cannot clearly see what is happening. Here and in the world. Some of you try to make jokes at my expense but I assure you it doesn't bother me at all. It just reflects on who you are and has nothing to do with who I am. I know I am on the side of what is right and true and all that is good. I also can assure you I am on no vendetta unless you consider spreading the truth a vendetta but I guess that depends on your perspective. For me this is a passion..to educate and spread information and correct misinformation. Of course it depends on how open minded one is and here most are not but I am not a quitter and never have been. I am strong and resilient just like my people have always been. It is in my DNA

I do not for a moment doubt most of us want peace and just do not agree on how to get there. I do understand that jews can never win the popularity contest because we are just 0.2% of the world's population but fortunately we don't put much into that anyway.
We are strong and resilient and our people will survive no matter what happens. Just look at history. Many have wanted to destroy us. None have been successful. We are truly miraculous.

Israel is far from perfect, but let's be honest... it stands in stark contrast to most of the Arab world.

While much of the region remains trapped in cycles of corruption, repression, and fear, Israel has built a society where freedom, innovation, and human rights are not just slogans. These are our realities. The only place in this region where true freedom is Israel.

That's not propaganda, This is the truth. Two million Arabs live happily there with full rights and freedom. The only place in the Middle East where people can be free to be who they are. One example..."he/him/his," "she/her/hers," and "they/them/theirs. Do you think anywhere else in the M.E. this could be out in the open?


And if we care about dignity and progress, we must demand better for the rest of the Middle East.

As far as this administration...I do not trust any politician. Least of all the past few administrations who were pretty terrible. I am loyal to none of them. I vote my self interest and my people's self interest as we all do. None of us (if we have half a brain) would vote against our well being and safety. Unfortunately I no longer have the luxury to be an ideologue...none of us do.

This is not just Israel's fight. This is not just Iran's fight. This is a fight for freedom, for humanity, for all of us.

 

[OreoRosies86]

@missy i feel sorry for you. I think you assume that no one here acknowledged 10/7 and so you are on a vendetta. We did. We know. We just can’t do much about it but Israel has been avenging every victim. Be at ease.
I don’t know how to help you. But I promise you, neither does the current administration. Please don’t trust them. Wake up and realize that all the hatred you are spewing is not going to help your cause. Hatred makes a person bitter. And the current administration is just using you. They will turn on you. They are only loyal to themselves.

I read a really astute quote last night.

“There’s typically a right side of history and a wrong side of history. If you ever wonder which side you’re on, the right side is usually there one where you’re siding with a disenfranchised group of people who are being terrorized by a military power.”

This can apply to what’s currently happening in our streets here in the USA, and where our country is choosing to send aid and bombs.

 

[missy]

If your side...

• Condones the taking of innocent hostages. Men, women, children, and infants
• Condones the continued holding of innocent hostages
• Condones the indiscriminate torture, rape, murder, and kidnapping of innocent people
• Celebrates and cheers for the death of innocent people
• Calls for the destruction of the ONLY Jewish state in the world
• Actively calls for the genocide or ethnic cleansing cleansing of the Jewish people
• Is actively boycotting those that believe that the only Jewish state in the world has the right to EXIST

I can assure you, you are NOT on the right side of history.

 

[missy]

The ICC, ICJ, Amnesty International, Israeli Holocaust scholar Dr. Omer Bartov, the UN, Doctors Without Borders, this very long list of Holocaust survivors and their descendants, seven renowned genocide scholars, and hundred of thousands of protestors all agree that Israel is committing genocide.

Frankly, it’s consistent behavior from Israel dating back to the Nakba of 1948.

My thoughts about this jpie

If Hamas (and those who support them) have the ability to stay alive by simply not killing Israelis, then they are not facing a genocide.

If the Israelis have the ability to stay alive only because of their tremendous defense systems, then they are facing a genocide.

Spoiler

If you remove religion from the equation and using archaeological and scientific data, it that places Jews in the lands of Israel over a millennia before Christianity and Islam were created and the Arab Muslim conquests, genocides, forced conversions, etc. that came with Arabization and Islamization outside of ARABia. Look at a current Arab world map and a current Muslim world map. THAT is colonialism, genocide, ethnic cleansing, religious persecution, Arab supremacy, and racism. There wasn't coexistence between Jews and Arabs before 1948. There isn't peaceful SAFE coexistence between Muslims and anyone in the Muslim world. All you have to do is look at other Muslim majority countries to see how non-Muslims are treated

These are facts

 

[telephone89]

They sure are. And guess what? Hamas could end this right now but choose not to

Every. Single. Death. Is. On them. And all who support them.


And I call bull on what you wrote. Unlike Hamas and other terrorists Israelis NEVER purposefully kill any children or civilians. Fact

But again this could all end. If Hamas released the hostages. And you know it

Of course they have. The idf has admitted to it. They murder children and then move on to others. You may still lay the blame back on hamas to justify it, but members of the idf are shooting children.

 

[telephone89]

I listen to independent media but also have followed people and organizations who have family, friends or professional contacts in Gaza. In Gaza after 10/7, I watched as numerous journalists, including from Al Jazeera, got killed. But first their entire families were killed. It was shocking. (The journalist from The Grayzone was American so they captured him, treated him badly, and sent him home).

Then all the negotiators who were working on diplomacy with Israel were killed in exactly the same way. (Recently, Iran’s chief negotiator was killed in exactly the same way.) World Central Kitchen workers in a caravan were killed, with another WCK facility and more fatalities later. I read about doctors working at hospitals, same fate, multiple UN workers, even professors.

I don’t believe this is made up or biased reporting. It looks to me like professionals with influence/reach were being targeted and eliminated. The excuse was they had ties to Hamas or were adjacent to Hamas facilities. The result was less reporting and visibility on what was actually happening.

Thousands of civilians, the kids, extended families were in the line of fire, they tried to walk out of the cities to a safer place. The cities were systematically flattened around them, Gaza now looks like Dresden or Hiroshima.

At a minimum, tens of thousands are victims and cities are gone. This appears to be intentional, methodical and vindictive.

“We were aiming at legitimate targets but other things got in the way”.

Haaretz came out with an article today admitting that food lines were being sprayed with gunfire, with 549 civilian deaths since starting. People trying to escape to Egypt were denied entry. I read about someone’s young cousin dying of heatstroke on the way there. Refugee tent camps far away from anything were urged as the only safe place. (Then were attacked.) You won’t go home again.

I’m not even sure why the word genocide is special. It seeks to separate groups into those with a special status (claiming their sole right to victimhood because they were attacked?) so their pain is worse? And losses worse? And they have a right to retaliate -this- way?

The other side doesn’t qualify for genocide, for technical reasons. But a longer history tells a longer story about victims and aggressors.

This seems like extreme tribal compartmentalization. Israel is doing this because they want to eliminate Hamas and any future danger. But talking to people, they consider and are acting as if all of Palestinian Gaza is that danger.

To be accurate, from the way Hamas acted on 10/7 and prior, they think the same way. Extreme compartmentalism.

I too find the murdering of journalists and aid workers extremely distressing. WCK was targeted multiple times, multiple people killed. People who were just trying to feed starving people and children. They do such amazing work, to be picked off like ants on a log is awful. Add it to the list of war crimes they’re committing I guess.

Gaza: Israelis Attacking Known Aid Worker Locations

Israeli forces have carried out at least eight strikes on aid workers’ convoys and premises in Gaza since October 2023, even though aid groups had provided their coordinates to the Israeli authorities to ensure their protection. Israeli authorities did not issue advance warnings to any of the...

www.hrw.org