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Villanio

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I've done my fair of reading and have found that the 4 C's are just the surface level of finding and buying a good diamond. I've looked at the options I had for buying loose stones but the hassle of finding a setting that is able to be sold without a ring and then a local jeweler who can bring it all together was difficult to say the least.

As a way to make things easier for myself and my SO we've decided to get everything from James Allen where we can get warranty for the diamond and the setting together. I realize that I'll be paying up to $4k more this way, but the convenience isn't something I can ignore.

To that extent I appreciate it if those with more experience could help me narrow down my choices. My understand is that a lot of LGD's will tend to score a low HCA, but a low HCA can also lead to diamonds that can appear dark.

I'm looking for a D-F, VVS1-F, Ideal-True Heart, 2.25-2.35 carat diamond. There are only 5 available choices, but I don't know which, if any, would be a good choice. If none of these are viable options I am open to VVS2 which would give me an additional 68 diamonds to consider.


I would appreciate any guidance, and if there are particular recommendations or standouts I would be more than happy to consider and learn more about the decision making process.

+adding in that the ring will likely be a platinum channel set type setting.
 
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Kim N

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My favorites are these.



 

DejaWiz

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I'd highly recommend Frank Darling.
They have a fair selection of stock settings, they can modify those settings, or go full custom.

They usually have a great selection of GCAL 8X diamonds to pick from, and they are going to be amazing performers due to the extremely strict criteria to meet the 8X grade.

As for clarity, there is an outstanding page about it in the education section here on PriceScope...you can go to VS1 and it'll be just as clean as any VVS or IF/FL to the naked eye.


Check this beauty out:

Here are some recent threads about both FD buyer experiences and GCAL 8X:
 

Villanio

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https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...t-d-color-vvs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-13952462

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...t-e-color-vvs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-14127400

These are my two favorites. Leaning towards the D VVS1 as it has a slightly smaller table (my personal preference). I'm not sure if James Allen provides Ideal Scope images for their lab diamonds. I would ask if they do and post the images here for review.
What about the smaller table appeals to you? Curious as I have no opinion on it but would love to get your 2 cents.

My favorites are these.




Any particular reason why these three stood out to you? I'm trying to understand what those with more expertise are seeing in these stones that I'm clearly not :)
 

Villanio

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I'd highly recommend Frank Darling.
They have a fair selection of stock settings, they can modify those settings, or go full custom.

They usually have a great selection of GCAL 8X diamonds to pick from, and they are going to be amazing performers due to the extremely strict criteria to meet the 8X grade.

As for clarity, there is an outstanding page about it in the education section here on PriceScope...you can go to VS1 and it'll be just as clean as any VVS or IF/FL to the naked eye.


Check this beauty out:

Here are some recent threads about both FD buyer experiences and GCAL 8X:

Thanks this is helpful. On that particular diamond I notice the cut is only listed as very good. I'm not sure how much less that will shine relatively to a ideal. Is it relatively marginal or would it be noticeable?
 

Kim N

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Thanks this is helpful. On that particular diamond I notice the cut is only listed as very good. I'm not sure how much less that will shine relatively to a ideal. Is it relatively marginal or would it be noticeable?

Frank Darling's "cut grade" designations have never made any sense. I would not look at that at all to determine the diamond's cut quality. All GCAL 8x diamonds are ideal cut, and many might even be considered super ideal cut.
 

Kim N

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What about the smaller table appeals to you? Curious as I have no opinion on it but would love to get your 2 cents.



Any particular reason why these three stood out to you? I'm trying to understand what those with more expertise are seeing in these stones that I'm clearly not :)

I thought sticking with D color made sense with your desire for high clarity. Then I looked at stones with crown height of at least 14.5% but preferably 15-15.5% and tables no larger than 57%. These are personal preferences due to my liking diamonds that favor a bit more fire over brilliance. I also agree with you on not wanting too low of an HCA score.
 

DejaWiz

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Frank Darling's "cut grade" designations have never made any sense. I would not look at that at all to determine the diamond's cut quality. All GCAL 8x diamonds are ideal cut, and many might even be considered super ideal cut.

This...100%
GCAL 8X has the strictest criteria for proportions and angles amongst all the grading labs.
 

Jax172

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Frank Darlings cut grades are pointless. Ignore that and use the HCA to help you start narrowing down your options. And then get opinions from the kind people here.
 

DejaWiz

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Thanks this is helpful. On that particular diamond I notice the cut is only listed as very good. I'm not sure how much less that will shine relatively to a ideal. Is it relatively marginal or would it be noticeable?

If this F VS1 was available about three or four weeks ago and in my budget range, I would have bought it without hesitation.
It checks all the boxes that make my perfect diamond:

HPHT
D-F color, no blue nuance
Completely eye-clean
40.6-40.8° PA
34.5-35.0°CA
54-56% table width
Taller crown height
75-76% lowers
Hearts & Arrows
Advanced images

It would be in my latest purchase thread:
 

crbl999

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What about the smaller table appeals to you? Curious as I have no opinion on it but would love to get your 2 cents.

I have owned 3 super ideal cut diamonds (2 from Brian Gavin and 1 from Whiteflash). First stone had a 57.3 table (visually too flat and large), second stone had a 55.4 table (visually too small), third stone has a 56.1 table (visually perfect).
 

Villanio

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https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...t-d-color-vvs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-13952462

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...t-e-color-vvs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-14127400

These are my two favorites. Leaning towards the D VVS1 as it has a slightly smaller table (my personal preference). I'm not sure if James Allen provides Ideal Scope images for their lab diamonds. I would ask if they do and post the images here for review.
Got ideal scope images for both. What do you think,
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2nd one
14127400top.jpg
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Villanio

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My favorites are these.





I thought sticking with D color made sense with your desire for high clarity. Then I looked at stones with crown height of at least 14.5% but preferably 15-15.5% and tables no larger than 57%. These are personal preferences due to my liking diamonds that favor a bit more fire over brilliance. I also agree with you on not wanting too low of an HCA score.

They all look pretty similar to my untrained eye. a bit of leakage on each

2.33c D VVS2
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2.32 D VVS2
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2.31 D VVS2
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Kim N

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They all look pretty similar to my untrained eye. a bit of leakage on each

2.33c D VVS2
13760841top.jpg
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2.32 D VVS2
13342057top.jpg
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2.31 D VVS2
12681838top.jpg
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I like the 2.33 D VVS2 and the 2.30 E VVS1. What are you leaning towards?
 

Villanio

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I like the 2.33 D VVS2 and the 2.30 E VVS1. What are you leaning towards?

Funny thing is I actually liked the 2.32 D VVS2. I thought the center has much less pink vs. the 2.31. Then vs the 2.33 I felt that the outside ring had smaller whites.
 

Kim N

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Funny thing is I actually liked the 2.32 D VVS2. I thought the center has much less pink vs. the 2.31. Then vs the 2.33 I felt that the outside ring had smaller whites.

I agree about the 2.31. The 2.32 is a great choice too. Are you still considering the GCAL 8x stone?
 

DejaWiz

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Found some others in the D-E color range for you to have a look at:




 

Kim N

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Found some others in the D-E color range for you to have a look at:





That 2.38 D VVS2 is awesome, DejaWiz! Though the proportions on the F VS1 gives it a run for its money.

As with Frank Darling, ignore the "cut grade." It's a stellar stone, Villanio.

 

crbl999

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Got ideal scope images for both. What do you think,
13952462top.jpg
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2nd one
14127400top.jpg
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D VVS1 between these two stones. Symmetry on the hearts could be better though.

They all look pretty similar to my untrained eye. a bit of leakage on each

2.33c D VVS2
13760841top.jpg
13760841bot.jpg

2.32 D VVS2
13342057top.jpg
13342057bot.jpg

2.31 D VVS2
12681838top.jpg
12681838bot.jpg

2.33 D VVS2 is nice!
 
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