Idealscope photos - looking for advice

[msdracky]

Hi to all...hope everyone''s Holiday was enjoyable.

I decided to get an idealscope to check out the light performance of my borderline steep/deep diamond. I took the following digital pictures through the scope. I know this isn''t a great way to show what I''m actually seeing, but I think the images are decent and give a pretty good representation of what''s going on. I do see a faint white circle of light around the center/table area and areas of brighter white around the outer edge. I think the arrows are pretty well defined...not sure what that means beyond that the diamond may have nice symmetry. I''d really appreciate any opinions on these images. Thanks!

 

[msdracky]

image #2

 

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image #3

 

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image #4

 

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image #3

 

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image #5

 

[msdracky]

last one...image #6

 

[msdracky]

here''s image #1...reduced in size

 

[stone-cold11]

Looks like some leakage to me but not very detrimental to the stone.

 

[msdracky]

thanks...I''m considering re-cutting but am afraid I would lose too much weight. My options at this point are to keep the diamond as is, re-cut, or try to trade it in for a new one...but it is more difficult than I thought working with the diamond house to see other diamonds. I''m told they don''t have any right now with similar parameters and who knows how long I might have to wait for them to get other possibilities in.

 

[msdracky]

here are the specs again. Would anyone, after viewing the idealscope images, suggest a re-cut to improve on light performance?

1.23 carat
Measurements: 6.85 x 6.88 x 4.28
H color
VS2 Clarity
Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Flourescence: None
Crown Angle: 35.5
Crown Depth: 16.0%
Pavillion Angle: 41.0
Pavillion Depth: 43.0%
Total Depth: 62.3%
Table: 55%
Girdle: Thin to Medium (This appears to be a bruted girdle with a frosted glass look or a new finishing technique somewhere between bruted and polished)

 

[Lorelei]

The IS images show some leakage which you can find with S/D's, the thing is if in reality you can see it and if it bothers you, if it does then you could see about a recut. I am just a consumer with no idea whether this diamond is suitable for a recut or if you should even do it, someone who might know is below.

www.brayscore.com ask for Bill

 

[msdracky]

Thanks Lorelei!...I will contact Bill to ask his opinion on re-cutting this diamond.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/30/2008 10:46:38 AM
Author: msdracky
Thanks Lorelei!...I will contact Bill to ask his opinion on re-cutting this diamond.

Most welcome! If he can't help you he might know of someone who can.

Also you might be interested in this thread, I am sure Kelli won't mind me linking it as she loves to help out! Kelli's diamond was a steep deep and she had a partial recut by WF which she is delighted with, check out the thread for pics and more info - not saying you will get the same fab results but this thread shows what might be possible. Also as you might know, a recut isn't a risk free procedure - mishaps are rare but can happen so just another factor to consider.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/extreme-diamond-makeover-my-wf-recut.96578/

And in this thread are some photos of her diamond before the procedure, be sure to check out the last page also.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/loads-of-pics-finally-1-44-ct-rb-i-vs2.91304/

 

[strmrdr]

no way would I recut it.
The performance should be just fine and you would gain little in a recut, maybe a couple percent.
The small amount of partial leakage would be covered up by a 2 eye view.
If you would lose money on changing then dont, keep it and be happy it is better than 98% of diamonds out there.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 12/30/2008 10:54:54 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 12/30/2008 10:46:38 AM

Author: msdracky

Thanks Lorelei!...I will contact Bill to ask his opinion on re-cutting this diamond.

Most welcome! If he can''t help you he might know of someone who can.


Also you might be interested in this thread, I am sure Kelli won''t mind me linking it as she loves to help out! Kelli''s diamond was a steep deep and she had a partial recut by WF which she is delighted with, check out the thread for pics and more info - not saying you will get the same fab results but this thread shows what might be possible. Also as you might know, a recut isn''t a risk free procedure - mishaps are rare but can happen so just another factor to consider.


https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/extreme-diamond-makeover-my-wf-recut.96578/


And in this thread are some photos of her diamond before the procedure, be sure to check out the last page also.


https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/loads-of-pics-finally-1-44-ct-rb-i-vs2.91304/

41.2 degree pavilion is a lot worse than 41 with some likely under 41 going by the IS.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/30/2008 11:12:33 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 12/30/2008 10:54:54 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 12/30/2008 10:46:38 AM

Author: msdracky

Thanks Lorelei!...I will contact Bill to ask his opinion on re-cutting this diamond.

Most welcome! If he can't help you he might know of someone who can.


Also you might be interested in this thread, I am sure Kelli won't mind me linking it as she loves to help out! Kelli's diamond was a steep deep and she had a partial recut by WF which she is delighted with, check out the thread for pics and more info - not saying you will get the same fab results but this thread shows what might be possible. Also as you might know, a recut isn't a risk free procedure - mishaps are rare but can happen so just another factor to consider.


https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/extreme-diamond-makeover-my-wf-recut.96578/


And in this thread are some photos of her diamond before the procedure, be sure to check out the last page also.


https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/loads-of-pics-finally-1-44-ct-rb-i-vs2.91304/

41.2 degree pavilion is a lot worse than 41 with some likely under 41 going by the IS.

I know, I wasn't saying he SHOULD recut it or that it had similar proportions to Kelli's, just showing hers as an example of a recut. Like I said earlier, I have no idea or the skill to advise whether any diamond should be recut or could be recut, just showing an example of what others have done.

I get the impression that msdracky can see some actual leakage in the diamond and it bothers them, so no harm in speaking to an expert to see if anything can be done.

 

[strmrdr]

Sorry Lorelei I should have read what you said better.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/30/2008 11:28:20 AM
Author: strmrdr
Sorry Lorelei I should have read what you said better.

No worries my dear! ((((hugs)))))

 

[msdracky]

Hi Lorelei...thanks for the link...Kelli''s story is a great one...what a big difference!

I''m a bit of a perfectionist myself being an artist (I''m a sculptor...my identical twin brother & I create pewter animal sculptures) I just want the best performing diamond I can afford for my soon to be fiancee! Perhaps I should contact Brian at WF? The center of our diamond does appear a bit dark in some lighting situations...I''m sure it can be improved upon but whether it is worth the risk and loss of weight...those are things we''ll have to consider in making a final decision. Thanks again to you and others on PS for all the help and great info!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/30/2008 12:36:48 PM
Author: msdracky
Hi Lorelei...thanks for the link...Kelli''s story is a great one...what a big difference!

I''m a bit of a perfectionist myself being an artist (I''m a sculptor...my identical twin brother & I create pewter animal sculptures) I just want the best performing diamond I can afford for my soon to be fiancee! Perhaps I should contact Brian at WF? The center of our diamond does appear a bit dark in some lighting situations...I''m sure it can be improved upon but whether it is worth the risk and loss of weight...those are things we''ll have to consider in making a final decision. Thanks again to you and others on PS for all the help and great info!

You are very welcome! How fascinating that you and your twin do animal sculptures!

Brian won''t be working at WF as of 1 Jan, so if you do want to pursue this Bill might be your best bet to begin with.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

It is a border line stone as prediceted and the leakage area will be evident only when the ring is dirty.

If you clean it every day - no reall issue.

If there is a cutter prepared to take it to 1.20 by only recutting tthe pavilion - and for a reasonable cost, then I would do it. Bill and WF should all be good places to start.

 

[msdracky]

ok...thanks Garry!

 

[msdracky]

yes...we were both in the real world for a number of years in Marketing...now we use the experience we gained to help market our line of sculptures...here''s one of our frogs painted with high end paints!

 

[Lorelei]

You read my mind....I was going to ask if you could post some pics of your work, I ADORE Froggie!!!

Do you do cat and horse sculptures?

 

[msdracky]

Thanks for your kind words! Here''s another frog and a few cats (the orangy one we now do in a pearl white with gray blue eyes). It''s funny you mention a horse...I''m working on one right now...should be done in a few weeks! By the way...sorry for the large photos...I''m not very tech savvy

 

[msdracky]

Ledge Cat

 

[msdracky]

Picture Cat

If you get the chance you can check out our whole line by visiting:
www.steppersculptures.com

 

[Kelli]

Cool sculptures msdracky! It''s funny, I''m an artist myself, although nothing like sculpting. I''m a dance teacher and do a LOT of choreography. In that, I tend to be a huge perfectionist myself, and people thought I was NUTS when I wanted my diamond recut. I saw that Lorelei linked my thread (thanks! I don''t mind at all, as you said I love helping out

) but I''m not all that sure I''d do it in your case. My pavilion angle was 41.2 which is apparently a lot worse than just 41. Also, I didn''t have "before" idealscope images, but my AFTER idealscope images still show a smidge of leakage, much like the leakage in yours. You can see it pretty clearly in that first thread Lorelei posted. Not saying that you shouldn''t look into it, but I don''t know how much of a difference it could make. I don''t see any leakage in real life in mine after the recut. As Garry said, keeping it clean could make a big difference. Good luck though in whatever you decide!

 

[msdracky]

Thanks Kelli...I bet dance is a fun & challenging art form and I do think us "artists" tend to be a bit over the top when it comes to getting things just right ...but I don''t think that is such a bad quality to possess!

Yeah, our stone is really on the border and like Garry said, if we keep it clean it should be fine. That being said, my understanding with GIA specs is that there can be a .2 range within their stated measurements so even though the pavillion angle is on the report as 41...it could actually be anywhere from 40.8 to 41.2. If it is the lower number then that''s good, but if it is the higher number, well, you know what that could mean in terms of diminished light performance. Maybe someone out there can confirm or deny this rounding of numbers that GIA supposedly does?