shape
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I don't know much and I don't if I ever will

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I might add there are some really great triple X stones to be had. You don't have to buy a super ideal to find a good stone. Just the process is much easier, and because you have more advanced data to make a determination to cut quality.

Many people here have gone through the process and has gorgeous triple X stones.

It's just the random, "it's GIA so life is good" approach isn't beneficial.

Reminds me of Tommy Boy...

 

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I think it's very clear that OP would like to find a very "pure", very "white", very pretty diamond and doesn't feel the need to get a super ideal, and I think he can clearly find that. A GIA report is very important to him, as well. So let us provide him some options that are 3X with good HCAs in the high color and high clarities he desires. Give the man what he wants. It is completely doable. I am sure he is extremely appreciative of all the super ideal suggestions but it isn't for everyone. Even in my situation, I have given it extensive thought and decided I would not want to trade my GIA 3X 2 ct E color that is just slightly off suggested range in just 1 measurement per PS standards that has a great HCA score. There are plenty of 3x stones out there that have great specs but don't have an AGS report. On this forum, color is not as much of a priority, hence a significant #super ideals yet of I's, J's, etc. But OP is similar to me in that color (and, for him, clarity as well) are very high on the priority list... while in context with a pretty diamond. We aren't talking the "frozen spit" term I read here often (which, honestly, makes me nauseas when I read that)... there is always this delineation made here between having a super ideal... or having high color and/or high clarity with a crappy diamond. Like it's either or, one or the other. That just isn't true. There is a middle ground. In real life, I don't think it translates that much if your stone is very close, at least based on the stones I compared to which included AGS000s. And I think a lot of it is about a mind clean thing knowing yours is a super ideal, just like knowing your have a VVS1, or a D color, etc. The VVS is obviously about the mind thing... but colorless is a value one sees. In my view... and you can disagree and I'm totally fine with that as I take to heart and much pondering ALL the views from everyone here... I feel that it is less of a differential between a nice 3X that is just slightly off "super ideal" specs but with a high color vs a super ideal in a J color, as example. Also, I have seen many AGS000s that do fall outside the "preferred" PS ranges touted here but they obviously passed the AGS light performance tests so they received that report.
As an aside, what I would LOVE is to see the friend's GIA report!!!!!!!!!
So this may just mean I have shitty (am I allowed to use that word here? forgive me if not) taste, but one thing that motivated me to get rid of my former stone and get the one I have now was because I was obsessed with my SIL's ring. It's absolutely gorgeous IMV. I asked my BIL to take a photo of the GIA report and you guys would bash the crap out of it. Yet, in person, I'm telling you it is SO pretty. So, not to give GIA any kudos here as I know it will put me in PS time-out lol, but I DO think that sometimes you just have to look at a stone without knowing anything about it's report and decide if you like it to your naked eye.
 

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When comparing prices of these stones, keep in mind the WF is an F VVS1. The closest one to your color & clarity requirements is the last stone. The others have you sacrificing color and/or clarity.

Not that a G VS2 is bad by any stretch, it's actually darn good and packs a good value! But you want to get as close to an apples-to-apples comparison as possible.


 

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The WF F/VVS1 is your best bet, IMHO.
 

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What about Whiteflash’s expert or premium select stones. Still GIAXXX or AGS000, still the upgrade policy, customer service, “almost” ACA, and better than 90 percent of diamonds you’ll see on your social circle. ?
 

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In terms of what I'm looking for:
  • Size: 1.2-1.3ct
  • Cut: Ideal
  • Color: E-G
  • Clarity: VVS2-VS1
What I like about the diamond I listed is that the inclusions are visible only on the underside of the diamond. But what do I know: I could be overpaying for clarity.

Thanks for any feedback.

What about Whiteflash’s expert or premium select stones. Still GIAXXX or AGS000, still the upgrade policy, customer service, “almost” ACA, and better than 90 percent of diamonds you’ll see on your social circle. ?

Working around the price of the 1.37 F VVS1 ACA diamond in the OP:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4123867.htm

these could be options from the in-house inventory?

1.71 G VS1
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4060811.htm

1.77 H VS1
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4159053.htm

1.75 H VS1
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4152851.htm

1.40 F VS1 ACA
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4159470.htm

1.71 H VS2 ACA
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4148016.htm

1.72 H VS2 ACA
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4150888.htm

1.52 F VS2 ACA
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4150884.htm

There might be a couple of Virtual Inventory stones as well, but these would need careful checking, including using the HCA tool to make sure they score under or around 2.0, and then ASETscope imagery to check any leakage issues:

1.6 F VS1
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4100247.htm

1.57 E VS1
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4137391.htm

1.53 D VS1
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4159808.htm


Alternatively, the search bar at the top of the forum does the HCA calculations for you, and has a range of options - over 400 at the time of searching (while using PS-recommended table and depth ranges, and searching for HCA 'Excellent' scores only):

https://www.pricescope.com/diamonds/ZV88zy
 
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Can't believe the LGF's are only 77%. Look how fat those arrows look with that 54.5 table. *drool*


Oh, my, God, @OoohShiny, look at those arrows
They are so fat, they look like
One of those diamond guys super ideal stats
But, ya know, who understands those diamond guys?
They only get excited about this, because,
It has lots of fire, 'kay?
I mean, those arrows, they're just so fat
And that table, I can't believe it's just so tiny, the UGF's are like way big
I mean gosh, look
The 16 percent crown height, it's just so, whack


hearts-and-arrows-round-diamond-ags-104107508019-diamond-169477.jpg
 

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Can't believe the LGF's are only 77%. Look how fat those arrows look with that 54.5 table. *drool*


Oh, my, God, @OoohShiny, look at those arrows
They are so fat, they look like
One of those diamond guys super ideal stats
But, ya know, who understands those diamond guys?
They only get excited about this, because,
It has lots of fire, 'kay?
I mean, those arrows, they're just so fat
And that table, I can't believe it's just so tiny, the UGF's are like way big
I mean gosh, look
The 16 percent crown height, it's just so, whack


hearts-and-arrows-round-diamond-ags-104107508019-diamond-169477.jpg
I LIKE BIG ARROWS AND I CANNOT LIE!
 

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I see what you did there ;))


:lol:
 

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Haha, I was thinking about these rhymes and found a few of my old posts. I do this way too much and need to cut back. Plus this last one today is borderline copyright infringement on the one I composed especially for @Karl_K, lol.

Drum roll please. :mrgreen2:

https://www.pricescope.com/communit...ehind-the-ps-scene.245695/page-2#post-4467888

Geez @Karl_K, you're such an a-hole.

See I'm the type of friend that will tell it to your face, not behind your back. :mrgreen2: :lol-2: :P2

<cue the music to Baby Got Back by Sir Mix-alot>

Oh, my, god, PriceScope, look @Karl_K
His diamond is so big, he looks like
One of those diamond designer guys
But, ya know, who understands those designer guys?
We only talk to him, because
He looks like a total bling whore, 'kay?
I mean, his diamond, is just so firey & big
I can't believe it's not round, it's like out there
I mean wow, look
He's just so, whack


https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-first-ring.247907/#post-4522696

HPD/CBI 1.22 E SI1 @ $10,872
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD10689

EEEKKKK.....54.8 table. :love: :love: :love:

To mimick Sir Mix Alot and Baby Got Back....

That when a diamond walks in with an itty bitty table
And a nice crown & pavilion combo in your face, I get sprung!

Ummm, yeah I suck at music so I'll spare you more. Seriously though, love the proportions here.



https://www.pricescope.com/communit...eally-influence-a-newbie.242187/#post-4375861

Very true. I recently had some "growing experiences" over a few recent threads like this. No hard feelings as I really understand cultures are different.

That said, here is a little rhyme I composed -- inspired by what many will call a tasteless 80's rap song, Seattle Ain't Bullsh*ttin' by the greatly disrespected Sir Mix Alot... :mrgreen2:

**If you are easily offended, keep scrolling**

The Westerners say Asians are whack
Size isn't all it's cracked up to be, so trust me 1-point-2 <pause> carats is plenty phat
I buy D's & E's, not F's and G's
Add VS1+ clarity and I snatch'm up faster than happy meals
GIA Triple X certification, I own the motherf*ckin' label
And I promise you, I got the papers on the table
And I'm buyin' just like that
No super ideal premiums so my pocket stays fat
A lot of Westerner clowns tried to convince me otherwise but they didn't
Huh, cause this Asian culture wasn't bullsh*ttin'
 

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Can't believe the LGF's are only 77%. Look how fat those arrows look with that 54.5 table. *drool*


Oh, my, God, @OoohShiny, look at those arrows
They are so fat, they look like
One of those diamond guys super ideal stats
But, ya know, who understands those diamond guys?
They only get excited about this, because,
It has lots of fire, 'kay?
I mean, those arrows, they're just so fat
And that table, I can't believe it's just so tiny, the UGF's are like way big
I mean gosh, look
The 16 percent crown height, it's just so, whack


hearts-and-arrows-round-diamond-ags-104107508019-diamond-169477.jpg
I think @Karl_K stated in another thread that LGFs are +-2%

And I just can't with you right now :lol-2:
 

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I think @Karl_K stated in another thread that LGFs are +-2%

And I just can't with you right now :lol-2:

:mrgreen2:

If that's the case, then it certainly looks like these are lower than 77. More like 75-76. That said, there was a VC thread awhile back where two stones had the same LGF but the smaller table made them look much fatter. I was interpreting that a smaller table size on same sized LGF's gives an illusion they are fatter but perhaps it was a calibration issue.
 

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That said, there was a VC thread awhile back where two stones had the same LGF but the smaller table made them look much fatter. I was interpreting that a smaller table size on same sized LGF's gives an illusion they are fatter but perhaps it was a calibration issue.
Or it's a combination of both =)2
 
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