How to determine if my pink diamond is from a Argyle tender?

[T L]

Re: How to determine if my pink diamond is from a Argyle ten

Thanks so much Pilot.
What a killer deal!!! Wow!

I've never bought or sold on eBay.
Does eBay get a cut, or can it just serve to connect the two parties who complete the deal offline?
If the later and the auction was not successful online I'm guessing the seller still had to pay something to list it.
No?

Kenny,
I'm not pilot, but you can do any ebay deal with any seller offline, althogh ebay frowns on that. If you do the deal on ebay, then they do get a percentage of the cut. There is always the listing fee too, which I don't think is based on any percentages, but I'm not sure.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Re: How to determine if my pink diamond is from a Argyle ten

Thanks so much Pilot.
What a killer deal!!! Wow!

I've never bought or sold on eBay.
Does eBay get a cut, or can it just serve to connect the two parties who complete the deal offline?
If the later and the auction was not successful online I'm guessing the seller still had to pay something to list it.
No?

The way eBay works now is that listing prices are relatively inexpensive.
If a sale is closed through eBay, they get about 3% ( on more costly items, cheaper stuff is a higher rate)
They used to police it to try and prevent people from using it to find each other, then perform transactions privately- but now it's pretty much unregulated.

As far as tender stones- I've been offered a few- and they are truly noteworthy.
Personally, I like big diamonds- and the prices of the incredibly rare tender stones are....well, not all that tender.
But kudos to those who own and love them!

 

[Imdanny]

Re: How to determine if my pink diamond is from a Argyle ten

I got a great deal. The original purchaser paid $125,000 US dollars including taxes in April 2008. I paid $58,000 USD in May 2011. My understanding is high end FCD can be hard to liquidate quickly especially in a recession. The original purchaser did not want to sell but needed cash for a real estate deal. I meet him through eBay.ca but dealt with him in person. He flew to meet me, we got the diamond verified, then went to bank to transfer the funds.

I am looking for another Argyle tender diamond, pink or purplish pink. I know Leiblish & Co. have three coming out of GIA soon. If anyone knows of a inexpensive priced tender diamond please let me know. My budget is around $50,000 US

Wow, he lost more than 50% of his purchase price on that deal. That must have been very painful to him, but good luck for you. $58K for such a stone is a steal.

I have read consistently you can get [only] 50% of retail if you buy a white diamond new and turn around and sell it. Maybe FCD's are simply the same in this regard.

 

[T L]

Re: How to determine if my pink diamond is from a Argyle ten

I got a great deal. The original purchaser paid $125,000 US dollars including taxes in April 2008. I paid $58,000 USD in May 2011. My understanding is high end FCD can be hard to liquidate quickly especially in a recession. The original purchaser did not want to sell but needed cash for a real estate deal. I meet him through eBay.ca but dealt with him in person. He flew to meet me, we got the diamond verified, then went to bank to transfer the funds.

I am looking for another Argyle tender diamond, pink or purplish pink. I know Leiblish & Co. have three coming out of GIA soon. If anyone knows of a inexpensive priced tender diamond please let me know. My budget is around $50,000 US

Wow, he lost more than 50% of his purchase price on that deal. That must have been very painful to him, but good luck for you. $58K for such a stone is a steal.

I have read consistently you can get [only] 50% of retail if you buy a white diamond new and turn around and sell it. Maybe FCD's are simply the same in this regard.

I would imagine if it's a rare color, and in high demand, you can see at least your original investment on them, or more, especially through a fine auction house. As for white diamonds, well, they're not investment stones unless you get one of very fine color and clarity, and its extremely large or had a famous provenance (like the "Elizabeth Taylor" diamond that recently sold at Christies, formally the Krupp diamond). The highest prices ever paid for a gemstone at auction have always been large rare colored FCDs like the Whittelsbach.

 

[Rudinho]

Re: How to determine if my pink diamond is from a Argyle ten

Are you still interested in this information? I recently got hold of an almost complete inventory of the Argyle tenders 1994-2015
I can send you a spreadsheet including Lot numbers, GIA and HRD certificate numbers + their color description for each diamond.
Let me know your e-mail address and the year(s) you are interested in.

 

[Rudinho]

Re: How to determine if my pink diamond is from a Argyle ten

Sorry for the threadjack...

Kenny, did your argyle pink come with paperwork from Rio Tinto? There seems to be quite a few that don't.

As a consumer should one be concerned if there isn't accompanying paperwork? Couldn't a third party put an inscription on a pink and command an "argyle premium"?

Is there a database somewhere to verify Argyle Pink diamonds?

Yes, I was recently able to get hold of almost all (1994-2015) Argyle tender sales and made a spreadsheet for each year.
Let me know which year(s) you are interested in and I can send an attachment to an e-mail. Rudinho

 

[arkieb1]

Re: How to determine if my pink diamond is from a Argyle ten

You could ask Garry for help;

http://www.hollowaydiamonds.com.au/investing-in-pink-diamonds/investing-in-pink-diamonds

They are normally more expensive in Australia but with our dollar 25% lower than yours at the moment it's worth haggling, explain what you can buy them for in the US and see if they can match it, some of the vendors here get a good selection of them;

http://diamondqueensland.com.au/argyle-pink-diamonds/

Calleija for example usually get some really nice stones in the tenders every year, most are set in jewellery but some are loose;

http://www.calleija.com.au/pink-diamond-collection-rings

These are some of the jewellers here that usually have some nice stones;

http://www.argylepinkdiamonds.com.au/jewellery-gallery

And trade partners around the world that would also have stock;

http://www.argylepinkdiamonds.com.au/trade-partners

If you are after a deal, watch Aussie ebay, every 6 to 12 months a ring from Cerrone, J Farren-Price, Calleija and some of the other top Arygle buyers will pop up preloved, I've seen some decent deals over the last 10 years, just make sure they come with ALL of the correct paperwork as there are lots of fakes for sale on there as well.

 

[Rudinho]

Re: How to determine if my pink diamond is from a Argyle ten

Here is more information about the database of the Argyle Pink Diamond Tenders that I assembled:
For ten years (1994-2004) all info includes GIA and HRD certificate numbers and their grades. 1997 is missing. The exception here is 2003, where only GIA data are given. 2005 has GIA & HRD data without the certificate numbers. 2006 is missing. 2007 has GIA & AGT data without certificate numbers. From here on, certificate numbers are never given again. 2008 has GIA & AGT data. 2009 and 2010 are missing. the five years (2011-2015) are GIA & ARGYLE data with Argyle's "P" system (P-PP-PR).
**edited by moderator, no personal contact information**

 

[Rudinho]

Re: How to determine if my pink diamond is from a Argyle ten

ct GIA Year AGT Lot cut GIA grade - AGT grade
0.51 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Pink 1
0.51 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2
0.51 Fancy Vivid Purple-Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 3
0.51 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 4
0.53 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 5
0.53 Fancy Vivid Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Pink 6
0.55 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 7 Emerald - SI 2 - SI 2
0.55 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Pink 8 Oval - SI 2 - SI 2
0.57 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 9
0.57 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 10
0.58 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 11
0.59 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 12
0.59 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 13
0.60 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 14
0.60 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 15
0.60 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 16
0.61 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 17
0.65 Fancy Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Purplish Red 18
0.66 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 19
0.67 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 20
0.68 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 21
0.69 Fancy Purplish Red 2007 Fancy Purplish Red 22
0.70 Fancy Vivid Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 23
0.71 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 24
0.74 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 25
0.75 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 26
0.77 Fancy Dark Gray-Violet 2007 Fancy Deep Grayish Violet 27
0.77 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Red 28
0.81 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 29
0.81 Fancy Vivid Purple-Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 30
0.87 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 31
0.88 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 32
0.91 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 33
1.00 Fancy Purplish Red 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 34
1.00 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 35
1.00 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 36
1.00 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 37
1.01 Fancy Vivid Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 38
1.01 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 39
1.02 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 40
1.02 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 41
1.02 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 42
1.03 Fancy Vivid Purple-Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 43
1.05 Fancy Vivid Purple-Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 44
1.05 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 45
1.06 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 46
1.07 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 47
1.07 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 48
1.13 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 49
1.18 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 50
1.19 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 51
1.19 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 52
1.22 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 53
1.27 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 54
1.33 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 55
1.43 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Vivid Purplish Pink 56
1.51 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 57
1.51 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 58
1.53 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 59
1.56 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Pink 60
1.58 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 61
1.74 Fancy Purplish Red 2007 Fancy Purplish Red 62
1.79 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Intense Purplish Pink 63
2.02 Fancy Deep Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Purplish Pink 64
2.03 Fancy Intense Pink 2007 Fancy Deep Pink 65