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@AGBF @smitcompton I have been living in my world of jaw pain, infections blah blah, tomorrow I will get a CT scan at the hospital, it sucks. I've been not up to reading a lot but I have read some here and send my ever lasting support to you both. I have a younger brother who is a sociopath and schizophrenic, never worked more than 6 years in his life, he is now 60. I just thank God that he was in the navy for 4 years, as a vet he has been well taken care of.

I feel for you both.
 
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And he is against investigating or prosecuting a sitting president. How darn convenient is that....
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What a lucky coincidence for Don the Con!
 
Tekate said:


@AGBF @smitcompton I have been living in my world of jaw pain, infections blah blah, tomorrow I will get a CT scan at the hospital, it sucks. I've been not up to reading a lot but I have read some here and send my ever lasting support to you both. I have a younger brother who is a sociopath and schizophrenic, never worked more than 6 years in his life, he is now 60. I just thank God that he was in the navy for 4 years, as a vet he has been well taken care of.

I feel for you both.
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I am so sorry you have been so ill, Kate. I hope that your problems resolve soon. Thank you for good wishes. My friend in Maine may have to be hospitalized because her lupus keeps her from being able to fight off the effects of the caterpillar bites (or whatever they are) that are affecting her area. I will have to see if I can find an article about them. I believe it is a localized problem. She and her husband didn't know what they had at first, then more people in their area showed up with them, then in towns close to them people had them, but not in towns 20 miles away. It was a weird phenomenon. I am assuming the plague has not hit you!

Hugs,
Deb
 
Tekate said:
@AGBF @smitcompton I have been living in my world of jaw pain, infections blah blah, tomorrow I will get a CT scan at the hospital, it sucks. I've been not up to reading a lot but I have read some here and send my ever lasting support to you both. I have a younger brother who is a sociopath and schizophrenic, never worked more than 6 years in his life, he is now 60. I just thank God that he was in the navy for 4 years, as a vet he has been well taken care of.

I feel for you both.
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Oh Kate I hope you feel better soon. Hugs. I've missed you.
 
"And he is against investigating or prosecuting a sitting president. How darn convenient is that...."

His full statement was that he doesn't believe it is a matter for the courts to rule on, but that it would in fact require an act of Congress to exempt a sitting President from investigation or prosecution.

Look it up if you don't believe me. :)
 
John, how's Ruby doing? Please tell her we said hello! :wavey:
 
I hope you feel better soon @Tekate . You have been having to deal with this jaw pain for far too long.
 
Dee*Jay said:
John, how's Ruby doing? Please tell her we said hello! :wavey:
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Is this a college campus where we don't like other points of view? :lol: I don't think John knows Ruby.

Just kidding back at you, you know. ;)
 
redwood66 said:
Is this a college campus where we don't like other points of view? :lol: I don't think John knows Ruby.

Just kidding back at you, you know. ;-)
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:cheeky:
 
AGBF said:
I am not sure by what standards you judge him to be a "good" man. I have a problem with him in that he does not value justice; he values corporate America. His decisions have left me speechless with rage. he attempted to deny an immigrant teenage girl the rights she was afforded under US law given that Roe v. Wad was the law of the land and she was detained in our jails. She had an absolute right to an abortion at the time she requested one and his attempt to deny her one almost brought her into the second trimester of her pregnancy when most women who might consider an abortion at all would not want one and where Roe v. wade would prohibit one. He attempted to deny her her rights because he thought he might be able to exploit a technicality (which, luckily, the appellate court did not let him). He also sides with corporate America in cases where the average working man lost out. The more I hear, the less well I think of Kavanaugh. That is not, in my estimation, a "good" man, not someone I want on The Supreme . The best I can say about Kavanaugh is that so far I have no evidence he is corrupt, immoral, or evil like Trump, and not being corrupt, immoral, or evil like Trump is setting the bar pretty low for a Supreme Court Justice.
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Deb the girl was here illegally, not a legal immigrant. Therefore requiring the government to facilitate an abortion is not what Roe Vs Wade is about. His argument was that she needed a sponsor to take her from the authorities and help her with her abortion if that is what she wanted. But the US government is not to assist someone here illegally to obtain an abortion.

https://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/on-judge-kavanaugh-on-garza-v-hargan/

In fact some on the Right have problems with him because they think he was not harsh enough on the abortion issue in this case.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...accepted-assumption-illegal-caught-border-has
 
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Passing this on from the Southern Poverty Law Center!

Contact the following six key senators – whose votes could make the difference – and tell them not to be a rubber stamp for the Federalist Society. Tell them to vote "no" on this Supreme Court nomination.

 
Johnbt said:
His full statement was that he doesn't believe it is a matter for the courts to rule on, but that it would in fact require an act of Congress to exempt a sitting President from investigation or prosecution.
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There are a number of questions raised by Mueller's investigation that could come before the Supreme Court, one of which is whether trump can be compelled to testify before a grand jury. Kavanaugh has been somewhat on-the-fence in his writings about this issue. On one hand he stated that a president has no common-law privileges in an investigation and on the other he stated he thinks Congress should pass statutes exempting sitting presidents from prosecution until after a president leaves office. I think it ridiculous to have a system that would allow a suspected criminal to exercise authority over a nation. Innocent until proved guilty yes, but not permitted to stay in office under suspicion.
 
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Deb the girl was here illegally, not a legal immigrant. Therefore requiring the government to facilitate an abortion is not what Roe Vs Wade is about.
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There is no logic in those two sentences, red. They are actually unrelated.

On another note, you pointed out that the girl was not a legal immigrant. I never said she was. I want to know how her legal status re: immigration affects her rights under the law? When I said that Judge Kavanaugh attempted to use a technicality to rob her of her legal rights, it was this to which i referred. He tried to use her status as a detainee to force her to carry a pregnancy to term, something he could not have done to a white adult, American citizen. Not when Roe v. Wade was still he law.
 
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There is no logic in those two sentences, red. They are actually unrelated.

On another note, you pointed out that the girl was not a legal immigrant. I never said she was. I want to know how her legal status re: immigration affects her rights under the law? When I said that Judge Kavanaugh attempted to use a technicality to rob her of her legal rights, it was this to which i referred. He tried to use her status as a detainee to force her to carry a pregnancy to term, something he could not have done to a white adult, American citizen. Not when Roe v. Wade was still he law.
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No he did not. He attempted to find a solution by requiring an adult sponsor to take her. This was his dissent. We do not want people coming illegally to the US to get abortions facilitated by the US government. It is not the role of government to be involved in an abortion. She does not have a right to an abortion as an illegal to be paid by the tax payers.
 
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@AGBF @smitcompton I have been living in my world of jaw pain, infections blah blah, tomorrow I will get a CT scan at the hospital, it sucks.
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No he did not. He attempted to find a solution by requiring an adult sponsor to take her. This was his dissent. We do not want people coming illegally to the US to get abortions facilitated by the US government. It is not the role of government to be involved in an abortion. She does not have a right to an abortion.
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You can call forcing her to be brainwashed and emotionally tortured "having a sponsor", but that is a lie. And the appellate court recognized it as such.

I was the same age as that girl when I accompanied my best friend over the Connecticut state line into New York State because she couldn't get a legal abortion in Connecticut. In New York she could. That was pre-Roe v. Wade. She didn't need a "sponsor" in New York Her Italian Catholic parents would have killed her. They never knew about either of her two abortions and neither abortion was any of their business. When her mother found birth control pills in her purse, she told her mother they were mine. Her mother called up my mother to say I was a whore. (I happened to be a virgin at the time.) Luckily my mother was as broadminded as women come and let her rant. Why is everyone so crazy?
 
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You can call forcing her to be brainwashed and emotionally tortured "having a sponsor", but that is a lie. And the appellate court recognized it as such.

I was the same age as that girl when I accompanied my best friend over the Connecticut state line into New York State because she couldn't get a legal abortion in Connecticut. In New York she could. That was pre-Roe v. Wade. She didn't need a "sponsor" in New York Her Italian Catholic parents would have killed her. They never knew about either of her two abortions and neither abortion was any of their business. When her mother found birth control pills in her purse, she told her mother they were mine. Her mother called up my mother to say I was a whore. (I happened to be a virgin at the time.) Luckily my mother was as broadminded as women come and let her rant. Why is everyone so crazy?
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I feel for your best friend but she was a US citizen. I don't care if they have abortions, I don't want the government facilitating it for people here illegally.
 
General info: Illegal aliens have rights under the US Constitution
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...yes-illegal-aliens-have-constitutional-rights

I just did a quickie search and found that the girl had the right to an abortion (her illegal entry into the country does not preclude her right to the procedure) and followed Texas law in order to undergo the medical procedure. The federal government attempted to intervene and stop the abortion which, as red stated, they should not have done, and I agree with her on that.
 
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"Tell them to vote "no" on this Supreme Court nomination.

 
"He’ll get his pardon."

He hasn't been charged with anything, much less convicted. The so-called investigation has turned up nothing. Maybe another year or two or three. Maybe not.

Trivia question: What work of fiction contains the line, "Sentence first-verdict afterwards."

Here's a hint...






""Let the jury consider their verdict," the King said, for about the twentieth time that day. "No, no!" said the Queen. "Sentence first–verdict afterward." "Stuff and nonsense!" said Alice loudly."
 
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He hasn't been charged with anything, much less convicted. The so-called investigation has turned up nothing.
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Your first sentence is accurate; 2nd sentence is not.

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Trivia question: What work of fiction contains the line, "Sentence first-verdict afterwards."
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Trivia question: What movie contains the line "You can't handle the truth"?

Here's a hint....

 
Johnbt said:
"Tell them to vote "no" on this Supreme Court nomination.

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Sure. I wouldn’t expect less from you.
 
Johnbt said:
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""Let the jury consider their verdict," the King said, for about the twentieth time that day. "No, no!" said the Queen. "Sentence first–verdict afterward." "Stuff and nonsense!" said Alice loudly."
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On the other hand if your last name is Clinton you get exonerated first and don't ask Q later.
 
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