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sbc86

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Hi Guys,

I am looking at red spinels and came across these two. What do you guys think about either of these two red spinels? They are both 4+ ct and similarly priced per carat.



 

voce

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They are too dark to be considered trade ideal. I've won an EBay auction for a similar looking spinel in a similar size for less than $50/ct in 2018. If you like the color, just don't overpay for it. Prices since 2018 may have doubled, but I wouldn't pay tenfold, for instance.

The top one imo shows less extinction than the bottom one, but to be sure you should ask for video and more photos in comparable lighting.
 
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sbc86

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They are too dark to be considered trade ideal. I've won an EBay auction for a similar looking spinel in a similar size for less than $50/ct in 2018. If you like the color, just don't overpay for it. Prices since 2018 may have doubled, but I wouldn't pay tenfold, for insurance.

The top one imo shows less extinction than the bottom one, but to be sure you should ask for video and more photos in comparable lighting.

These are quoted as $1700/ct. $50/ct is amazing.
 

voce

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These are quoted as $1700/ct. $50/ct is amazing.

Oops, I meant for instance, not insurance.

At $1700/ct, I think it's a price point I'd personally give a hard pass on. At that price point I'd be expecting something with a near neon color, or at least a color that isn't too dark, which I suspect of both of these spinels.

The eBay stone, I ended up gifting away because it looked near black in dimmer lighting, and with what I had in my collection I knew I wasn't going to wear it.
 

Lisa Loves Shiny

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Looks like the color is enhanced in the videos unless the vendor has very pink fingers. Unless there are other pictures/videos that contradict this, I am pretty sure this would be closer to the color of the first spinel in real life.

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voce

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Let's just say, even if you personally like the look of these spinels, they aren't good examples of why spinels are sought after.
 

sbc86

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Looks like the color is enhanced in the videos unless the vendor has very pink fingers. Unless there are other pictures/videos that contradict this, I am pretty sure this would be closer to the color of the first spinel in real life.

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Thank you for color correcting the spinel. It certainly doesn’t look very good.
 

sbc86

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These seem very expensive for this color in my opinion even with the popularity of spinels.

Can you share a photo of your ideal spinel color?
Here is one I like. Might be more than $1700/ct but I can go higher and also wait for the right stone. I am in no rush to make a purchase.





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sbc86

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Too sleepy and orange for my taste.

Looked really red on my ipad but on my desktop it does look sleepy and orangish.

I am looking for really red red with may be slight purple if can’t be avoided And as transparent as a natural stone can get without having to rob a bank To pay for it.
 

Cerulean

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I love a sleepy spinel!

A PURE red red spinel is going to cost a lot...I would guess more than $1700 a carat for a large stone - pure red spinels are very popular it seems.

Stellamarisgems on Instagram has gotten some juicy spinels (I have not bought from them though, but inquired about a few gems)... many of them are pure red, but I don't frequently see large spinels in trade ideal colors anywhere, really.
 

T L

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Looked really red on my ipad but on my desktop it does look sleepy and orangish.

I am looking for really red red with may be slight purple if can’t be avoided And as transparent as a natural stone can get without having to rob a bank To pay for it.

Whatever you decide, make sure

1) it comes with a reputable lab report
2) you view it in and out of sunlight (they tend to glow more red in sunlight)
3) make sure it has strong UV fluorescence
 

VividRed

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Looked really red on my ipad but on my desktop it does look sleepy and orangish.

I am looking for really red red with may be slight purple if can’t be avoided And as transparent as a natural stone can get without having to rob a bank To pay for it.

Robert Genis from National Gemstone has a pure red-red spinel of 1.23 ct. for sale. It is expensive though
 

sbc86

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Robert Genis from National Gemstone has a pure red-red spinel of 1.23 ct. for sale. It is expensive though

Thank you VividRed! National Gemstones has some amazing stones and detailed descriptions. I can see getting something from them.
 

ItsMainelyYou

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b.g. stones (Big Green Stones) has some very nice specimens in right now. I am not familiar with their price structuring. They have some larger examples to enquire after.
 

sbc86

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b.g. stones (Big Green Stones) has some very nice specimens in right now. I am not familiar with their price structuring. They have some larger examples to enquire after.

You guys are amazing. Appreciate all the help I am getting. Just contacted them. Will update what I find out.
 

fussykiki

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b.g. stones (Big Green Stones) has some very nice specimens in right now. I am not familiar with their price structuring. They have some larger examples to enquire after.

They posted a 5.8ct red spinel not long ago which really captured my heart. The price they quoted is $30,000. I fell of my chair after confirmed that it is USD.
 

ItsMainelyYou

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They posted a 5.8ct red spinel not long ago which really captured my heart. The price they quoted is $30,000. I fell of my chair after confirmed that it is USD.

:eek-2:And with that, it's assured I'll have to continue to be unfamiliar with their price structure.:lol:
 

fussykiki

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:eek-2:And with that, it's assured I'll have to continue to be unfamiliar with their price structure.:lol:

I know spinel price has gone up due to the popularity. But if I have $30,000 on hand, ready to spend on jewelry, I would go to a ruby even the size would be smaller. At least the Mohs hardness scale of ruby is 9. I don't have to worry about damaging it.
 

fussykiki

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This is the stone I asked them about.
 

fussykiki

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Haven’t bought from this vendor before. But his name is Mr. Spinel so he must have plenty of stock. Look at this one.

 

sbc86

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Let us know if you find any contenders!
I will certainly post details and ask for opinions if I have serious contenders.

They posted a 5.8ct red spinel not long ago which really captured my heart. The price they quoted is $30,000. I fell of my chair after confirmed that it is USD.
Red spinels at BGS are priced at $4500/ct or above. They look better than the ones Mr. Spinel has but not sure they are almost 3 times better. I like bigger stones, so the price very quickly adds up. BGS and Valley of Gems on IG seem to be on higher side than Haydenfred and Mr.Spinel.

That doesn’t even have some of the traits I’d look for in a top spinel! It’s pretty…but wow. Outrageous price!
At these prices I would rather buy a smaller Ruby even if I have to go up 2-3 times more per carat in price compared to BGS.
 

clcat120

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Check out my latest thread, and I have multiple stones I evaluated in different red and pink hues.

what’s your budget? I can tell you that for a decent red (not even talking about vivid), 4ct+, good cut, eye clean, you are looking at $1,500-2,000 per carat today. You can barely fetch a good Burma piece in that price, and Vietnam might be your best bet. Tajikistan usually only have pink ones but very pretty (I settled on one). I haven’t seen many even 3ct plus clean Tanzania pieces lately, and those neon pink color are in $3-5k per carat range now).
For $1,500 per carat, you will get something which is rear toward the darker side (like this one), very purple hue, or very light tone and saturation.
Always make sure you have the stone videos in incandescent lighting, UV, and direct sunlight environment.
 
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