Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemstones!

[Niel]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Plus ritani is a very nice name brand. And its already your size! Requires, I believe, a 7.4mm round.

 

[minousbijoux]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Plus ritani is a very nice name brand. And its already your size! Requires, I believe, a 7.4mm round.

Love this!

 

[2Neezers]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

If there is a chance to consider a round, this is platinum, three stone halo, and they take offers. Pearlmans is a reputable vendor people buy though on PS often.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=390965474750&alt=web

This setting is so beautiful. Pearlmans can get color gemstones from Gem2000 if you are looking for one stop shopping.
You can browse the Gem2000 site here:
http://www.gem2000.com/gsresult.php?itemno=&gemtype=SAPPHIRE&varietycolor=BLUE&minweight=&maxweight=&pieces=Any&cutshape=Any&Submit=SEARCH
And if anything interest you, you can enter the item number for pricing or search on the Pearlmans site here:
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/information/gemstones/
At a glance, I did see a couple of blue sapphires in the 7.4mm size range that should fit in that setting.
I see that Gem2000 stones are on the Africa Gems site too, but Pearlmans prices are quite a bit more competitive as of right now.

 

[Niel]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Does gemfix sell to other vendors? Anybody know?

I found a lovely 7.5mm round there, but they wouldn't sell it to you, OP, as its more than they will ship overseas.

How did acinom do it recently when she worked with BE?

 

[liao]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

If there is a chance to consider a round, this is platinum, three stone halo, and they take offers. Pearlmans is a reputable vendor people buy though on PS often.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=390965474750&alt=web

This setting is so beautiful. Pearlmans can get color gemstones from Gem2000 if you are looking for one stop shopping.
You can browse the Gem2000 site here:
http://www.gem2000.com/gsresult.php?itemno=&gemtype=SAPPHIRE&varietycolor=BLUE&minweight=&maxweight=&pieces=Any&cutshape=Any&Submit=SEARCH
And if anything interest you, you can enter the item number for pricing or search on the Pearlmans site here:
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/information/gemstones/
At a glance, I did see a couple of blue sapphires in the 7.4mm size range that should fit in that setting.
I see that Gem2000 stones are on the Africa Gems site too, but Pearlmans prices are quite a bit more competitive as of right now.

I am not sure about that pearlmanjewelers, I just look at their alex inventory, and they are the same alex sold by africagems. They might have the same parent company

 

[2Neezers]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Liao- from what I was told, Gem2000 is their supplier of color stones. They provide a virtual inventory to retail gem vendors, much like what you will see in the diamond world. Retail vendors can then set their pricing as they wish. I believe Pearlmans is locally owned and operated in Battle Creek, Michigan. I just purchased a spinel from Pearlmans and it was a smooth transaction. Bill Pearlman is the owner operator and is a pleasure to deal with

If you were interested in the setting from Pearlmans and considered going with a round sapphire, here are a few Pearlmans could get for you within your budget.
I am a newbie and by no means a color stone expert, so hopefully someone else could tell you if they would fit the bill of what you are looking for.
#5418 7.5mm 1.9ct $4,987.50 (this one would be a smidge over budget, but maybe they could bring the price down a little)
#6288 7.3mm 1.5ct $3,885.00
#4742 7.4mm 2.0ct $3,850.00
Sorry I can't figure out how to link the photos here.

 

[distracts]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

I wouldn't worry too much about the shape and concentrate for now on finding something in the color you like and your budget. However, I will say that sapphires are much more commonly cut into ovals and cushions than emerald cuts, so, you know. Those are way easier to find.

I'm starting to wonder if the setting would end up costing me > than the sapphire itself! For example, I love this setting (http://www.simongjewelry.com/wps/portal/SimonG/products/MR2386/RING), but I guess that in plat it could possible be anywhere from 1.5/2k > of the quoted price in 18k..

Remember that a decent quality pave setting in platinum is usually around 3k. With that much halo, it could easily be 4k. And yours is also technically a three-stone, so you could be paying for reasonably sizeable diamonds as well, depending on what you consider good proportions to go with your center stone. So, you are almost certainly spending $1k of setting cost on the sidestones, and perhaps more depending on the size, exact shape, and vagaries of cutting.

A ring I found randomly online that looks kinda similar to what you want:
http://eragem.com/blue-sapphire-engagement-ring-rose-cut-diamond-accents-18k-white-gold.html

I went through Gabriel's stock settings to see if there was anything similar - there were more but I just pulled a few I liked (they can make it for any shape and in any metal, but those options aren't ever on the site):
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER98207W44JJ.CSD4
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER7739W44JJ
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER9315W44JJ
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER8833W44JJ
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER4132W44JJ
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER6977W44JJ

I think that the Pearlman's option is great. So all my comment may be unnecessary.

 

[Sabrushi]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Oh wow!! I can't believe how many people answer this thread.. thanks everybody!

We have quite a bit of time difference here.. haha.. but I'll take a look at every single reply and then edit this message.. just wanted to acknowledge the answers by now..

 

[Sabrushi]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

I will recommend these two blue sapphire:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/No-Heat-2-5ct-Cushion-Srilankan-Blue-Sapphire-Eye-Clean-AIGS-Certified-Gems-/121083083158?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item1c311d3996
http://www.thegemtrader.com/Oct13BSapphirePage.htm

I do not get it why wilds global minerals is not in the PS recommended list. they are one of few gem dealer that I trusted the most. Anyway, if you are interested on wild's sapphire, you have to ask for more picture. I am not sure whether this stone has window or not (there is something in the middle of the stone, but I can clearly see what is that. it is either feather inclusion or window). TGT's sapphire also looks pretty nice too, but wild's sapphire is no heat! I bet that sapphire is 100% natural (no heat, no clarity enhancement, etc)

If you interested on other color, try to consider this one as well:
http://www.multicolour.com/detail/?/details/sapphire/ysa122aa/&1396285136
close enough to orangey red. This color usually indicates beryllium diffused sapphire - not the case here! it's heat only sapphire. I had dealt with the owner a lot of times, but the dealt was all about other stone rather than sapphire. However, the owner is nice

Hi Liao.. I like the first stone, but it's definitely a bit over my budget.. I think after skimming through most of the replies, I've decided to stick to a maximum of $4k for the stone, and then I might chip in a bit more for the right setting.
The orangey one is amazing!!! When I first started thinking about a sapphire.. I wanted a padparadscha so badly! But then I realized the colour doesn't quite go with my skin tone.. Not that bad considering the price.. haha

This one is round, but I think the size is close to what you want. The color looks good, and it is within budget. I think a stone this size will not need a halo, so you could get a less expensive setting with just diamond sidestones.

If you are limited in time, you may want to consider compromising on the shape or size. I would not compromise on color, and I tend to compromise on shape first as size is important to me.

http://mastercutgems.com/index.php?page=viewgem&id=7932

That colour is insane, pregcurious! I'm not too bothered about rounds. Although it is over my budget.. I'm a complete newbie, so maybe I'm missing something; are the vendors open to negotiate prices? Are there some sort of 'set rules' when it comes to negotiation? I mean, how much can one actually bargain? 1k, 2k? More/less?

If there is a chance to consider a round, this is platinum, three stone halo, and they take offers. Pearlmans is a reputable vendor people buy though on PS often.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=390965474750&alt=web

Niel, let's be friends! I've saved that setting 2 days ago!!! I was looking at it wondering what you guys might think about it.. I've seen that Ritani is a designer brand, so I was sure that quality wise was gonna be ok, and now that you all confirmed the vendor is trustworthy.. we might have something here!

If there is a chance to consider a round, this is platinum, three stone halo, and they take offers. Pearlmans is a reputable vendor people buy though on PS often.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=390965474750&alt=web

This setting is so beautiful. Pearlmans can get color gemstones from Gem2000 if you are looking for one stop shopping.
You can browse the Gem2000 site here:
http://www.gem2000.com/gsresult.php?itemno=&gemtype=SAPPHIRE&varietycolor=BLUE&minweight=&maxweight=&pieces=Any&cutshape=Any&Submit=SEARCH
And if anything interest you, you can enter the item number for pricing or search on the Pearlmans site here:
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/information/gemstones/
At a glance, I did see a couple of blue sapphires in the 7.4mm size range that should fit in that setting.
I see that Gem2000 stones are on the Africa Gems site too, but Pearlmans prices are quite a bit more competitive as of right now.

I'm replying as I'm seeing the answers.. 2Neezers, you read my mind.. I was wondering if they might even have some stones where I can choose from, since then I'd only have to pay for shipping + taxes once.
Ohh.. and now I realized you even left some stones for me to check out.. I'll be taking a look right now.. thanks again!

I wouldn't worry too much about the shape and concentrate for now on finding something in the color you like and your budget. However, I will say that sapphires are much more commonly cut into ovals and cushions than emerald cuts, so, you know. Those are way easier to find.

I'm starting to wonder if the setting would end up costing me > than the sapphire itself! For example, I love this setting (http://www.simongjewelry.com/wps/portal/SimonG/products/MR2386/RING), but I guess that in plat it could possible be anywhere from 1.5/2k > of the quoted price in 18k..

Remember that a decent quality pave setting in platinum is usually around 3k. With that much halo, it could easily be 4k. And yours is also technically a three-stone, so you could be paying for reasonably sizeable diamonds as well, depending on what you consider good proportions to go with your center stone. So, you are almost certainly spending $1k of setting cost on the sidestones, and perhaps more depending on the size, exact shape, and vagaries of cutting.

A ring I found randomly online that looks kinda similar to what you want:
http://eragem.com/blue-sapphire-engagement-ring-rose-cut-diamond-accents-18k-white-gold.html

I went through Gabriel's stock settings to see if there was anything similar - there were more but I just pulled a few I liked (they can make it for any shape and in any metal, but those options aren't ever on the site):
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER98207W44JJ.CSD4
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER7739W44JJ
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER9315W44JJ
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER8833W44JJ
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER4132W44JJ
https://bridal.gabrielny.com/product/ER6977W44JJ

I think that the Pearlman's option is great. So all my comment may be unnecessary.

Hi distracts, yes! You are correct.. in fact, my dream ring was quoted 25k! So that's well over my budget of 8/9k.. I've sent an email to Simon G customer service, about this setting: http://www.simongjewelry.com/wps/portal/SimonG/products/MR2386/RING and they came back to me saying that in 900 platinum (how different is that from 950 platinum?), the estimated price was ~ 5500usd. I think the price seems fair when comparing it to other designers (I've spotted a few Scott Kay and Natalie K I really liked, and those were also around 5/6k). Do you think that price seems reasonable? On the other hand, I'm pretty sure I've checked that exact same ring from the first link you sent me.. and although gorgeous, I wasn't too convinced about the band... but oh man, those Gabriel&Co settings are EXACTLY what I'm looking for! Those chunky bands with milgrain details are to die for..! I specially love the 5th one. Do you know if they also might be able to have some stones in offer from where I can choose from? Or should I buy it and ship it to them? I really wanna be able of choosing the sapphire.. I've seen so many awful dark ones at some jewelry shops online.. and my purchase is gonna be final, since I won't have a chance of returning it. By the way, I love the ring in your profile pic..

Now for everybody.. regarding the Ritani setting, I know the ring comes with a round stone.. so does that mean is impossible to try to fit a cushion cut stone? (I know how this question sounds.. but I genuinely wonder if I could 'customize' this.. although as I said before, I'm still all good with rounds!)
Also, do you think the proportions of this ring would be ok for my specs? I want to have good finger coverage, that why I was leaning more towards the cushion/oval/radiant cut.. perhaps I could ask for a 'real hand' picture of the ring to be 100% sure? They might even have similar models to this one..

Oh well.. thank heaps to everybody!

 

[Niel]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Hahaha yes of course lets be friends!

If you bought that ritani, you are absolutely limited to a round.

You are mimited on size as well. Essentially the halo frames the stone, and so you have to fifind something that fits that frame, or it won't look right.

Ideally you would want to find a stone first then the setting, this is typically what most advise. However, depending on how low they will come on offers, it might be too good to pass up (imho)

I Looove ritani. The quality of the bright set halos they have is really high, and I love that it's got half moons, makes it a little easier to accept the fact that its a round vs an oval. I used to have a ritani with a similar kind of halo and really the quality was great

Plus, pearlmans has had that,setting forever, makes me wonder what they would take as an offer.

I might try contacting them off eBay, and though their regular site. The owner is very nice and would probably be honest with you the you about what he would take as an offer, especially if you mention you'd consider buying a sapphire though him if he could find the right one. Like distracts said rounds are harder to find, but just off inventory on websites currently I found one that would fit your setting and budget. Just from a vendor that doesn't like selling outside the us

They used to offer a very nice Pricescope discount too, so when emailing him I'd mention.

 

[Niel]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

It really all depends on what offer you could get Pearlmans to accept, but sense its a closeout, id email them and offer - maybe they'll be more inclined if they didn't have to pay the Ebay fees.

I asked Acinom about gemfix over in this thread, she said that as she also lives outside the us, she was able to buy the stone and have it shipped to a US vendor for the setting. I have more questions about the process, BUT.. I saw this and thought it might work... I know, a lot of "ifs" and inquiries to be made, but still might be worth it.

Order/Stock No.: sapphire_blue_1185

 

[2Neezers]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

I just noticed the Ritani setting is listed at $338 less on the Pearlmans site vs their eBay site. It does say it has a 10mm halo, so to me it seems like it would give nice finger coverage. Hopefully others can weigh in on that. I would skip going through eBay and contact Bill Pearlman directly like Niel mentioned. He's is very helpful and might possibly be willing to go even lower than the price listed on his website if he has had the setting in his inventory for a while.
Here's the link to the setting on their site. There's even a little video of it.
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-specials/closeout-jewelry/ritani/19QQ1/8/
Another thought, if you really love the setting, it does come set with a CZ. I'm guessing that was done for display purposes. If you can't find your ideal sapphire right now, you could purchase the setting and wear it as is with the CZ until you find your dream sapphire to place in it. I'm sure you would like to have the finished ring set with a sapphire, but I just thought I would mention that option.

 

[2Neezers]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

I was just browsing Pearlmans site and saw this setting for a oval.
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-specials/closeout-jewelry/ritani/26QQ1/0/
I know this setting would eat up a big piece of your budget, but I just wanted to share it with you. It looks so pretty in their video!
Edited to add - I just noticed there is no halo around the center stone, which I think you wanted.

 

[Sabrushi]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Hahaha yes of course lets be friends!

If you bought that ritani, you are absolutely limited to a round.

You are mimited on size as well. Essentially the halo frames the stone, and so you have to fifind something that fits that frame, or it won't look right.

Ideally you would want to find a stone first then the setting, this is typically what most advise. However, depending on how low they will come on offers, it might be too good to pass up (imho)

I Looove ritani. The quality of the bright set halos they have is really high, and I love that it's got half moons, makes it a little easier to accept the fact that its a round vs an oval. I used to have a ritani with a similar kind of halo and really the quality was great

Plus, pearlmans has had that,setting forever, makes me wonder what they would take as an offer.

I might try contacting them off eBay, and though their regular site. The owner is very nice and would probably be honest with you the you about what he would take as an offer, especially if you mention you'd consider buying a sapphire though him if he could find the right one. Like distracts said rounds are harder to find, but just off inventory on websites currently I found one that would fit your setting and budget. Just from a vendor that doesn't like selling outside the us

They used to offer a very nice Pricescope discount too, so when emailing him I'd mention.

Exactly.. that's one of the first things I've learnt around here; buying the stone first > setting next. But as you said, this ones looks exceptionally good. I've checked their youtube video, and love how those half moons complement the round stone! I much more prefer this style of 3 stone ring, over the 'all rounds' look.. I just don't see the appeal there.

I think that those settings that distracts sent me where superb! And really made me doubt! haha.. I'm definitely gonna talk with Pearlman's and ask for a few more details.. this ring (nearly) ticks all my boxes! And taking into account it's already my size, and that they can offer the final product... Arghhh.. it's a tough one!

It really all depends on what offer you could get Pearlmans to accept, but sense its a closeout, id email them and offer - maybe they'll be more inclined if they didn't have to pay the Ebay fees.

I asked Acinom about gemfix over in this thread, she said that as she also lives outside the us, she was able to buy the stone and have it shipped to a US vendor for the setting. I have more questions about the process, BUT.. I saw this and thought it might work... I know, a lot of "ifs" and inquiries to be made, but still might be worth it.

Order/Stock No.: sapphire_blue_1185

That's what I had in mind! Shipping the stone to the vendor, so he can set it, and then ship the final ring. My only concerned about that.. and sorry if it sounds as if I have trusting issues! I'm pretty far away, and want everything to be as smooth as possible.. but what could stop the vendor from keeping my sapphire and replacing it for a 'less desirable' one..? That's why I feel much more confident knowing you guys vouched for him!
And by the way, that sapphire you linked looks great!

I just noticed the Ritani setting is listed at $338 less on the Pearlmans site vs their eBay site. It does say it has a 10mm halo, so to me it seems like it would give nice finger coverage. Hopefully others can weigh in on that. I would skip going through eBay and contact Bill Pearlman directly like Niel mentioned. He's is very helpful and might possibly be willing to go even lower than the price listed on his website if he has had the setting in his inventory for a while.
Here's the link to the setting on their site. There's even a little video of it.
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-specials/closeout-jewelry/ritani/19QQ1/8/
Another thought, if you really love the setting, it does come set with a CZ. I'm guessing that was done for display purposes. If you can't find your ideal sapphire right now, you could purchase the setting and wear it as is with the CZ until you find your dream sapphire to place in it. I'm sure you would like to have the finished ring set with a sapphire, but I just thought I would mention that option.

Yes, I've also noticed the same about the price drop in their official website vs. eBay (wondering that might be eBay fees?).. And that definitely adds more pressure!! I've checked the pics ~ 100 times.. in fact, I'm attaching the one they have on the dummy hand.
Thanks for mentioning that last bit! I've seen the CZ on the ad.. but as you said, I really want to have the final product. When I see it, I'm envisioning a nice vivid blue sapphire in the middle.. haha.. so my mind does all the work for me! Oh, and by the way, I've peaked that other model you linked me.. I like it, but I'm not a fan of the pear shape side stones..


Ok.. I've been talking with my partner back and forth about this one, and I think we might have a winner! I'm gonna talk with the vendor asap, to make sure we can get a good sapphire for it. I'm excited! I'll let you know all about it.

Huge thanks to all of you! Please feel free to leave links of sapphires you think might be a nice fit for it.. Ideally up to 4/5k (5k maximum please! We wanna leave some room for shipping + taxes! )

 

[Niel]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Pearlmans wouldn't switch our your stone....but I'd give them the opertunity to see if they can source one as I like the gemfix one, but gemfix is often on the high end price wise...


Would it be impossible to find a nice sapphire in a local jewelry store?

 

[2Neezers]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Below are the links to the sapphires I mentioned earlier that Pearlmans can source.
I'm sure there are other they can get for you, as well as these. When I spoke with Bill to order my Spinel, he mentioned that a very large portion of their business is done online, or shipped to other areas. They are a very popular vendor over on the diamond/Rocky Talk portion of this forum. If you need more re-assurance that it is safe to purchase from them, you could create a post over in Rocky Talk for references and experiences with them. I have only seen praises for them. I noticed the forum can be a little quite on the weekends, so you would probably get more replies on Monday. I think someone mentioned they might offer a PS discount too.

I wasn't able to figure out how to link them through Pearlmans site, so this info is linked through the Gem2000 site.
#5418, 7.5mm, 1.90ct, $4,987.50
http://www.gem2000.com/gsresult.php?itemno=5418&gemtype=Any&varietycolor=Any&minweight=&maxweight=&pieces=Any&cutshape=Any&Submit=SEARCH

#6288, 7.3mm, 1.85ct, $3,885.00
http://www.gem2000.com/gsresult.php?itemno=6288&gemtype=Any&varietycolor=Any&minweight=&maxweight=&pieces=Any&cutshape=Any&Submit=SEARCH

#4742, 7.4mm, 2.00ct, $3,850.00
http://www.gem2000.com/gsresult.php?itemno=4742&gemtype=Any&varietycolor=Any&minweight=&maxweight=&pieces=Any&cutshape=Any&Submit=SEARCH

I would think they should be able to provide you with additional photos and maybe a video too. I have a hard time reading a single photo myself.

The Gemfix sapphire Niel link is so pretty too.
You will have my dream e-ring by the way

 

[Acinom]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

It really all depends on what offer you could get Pearlmans to accept, but sense its a closeout, id email them and offer - maybe they'll be more inclined if they didn't have to pay the Ebay fees.

I asked Acinom about gemfix over in this thread, she said that as she also lives outside the us, she was able to buy the stone and have it shipped to a US vendor for the setting. I have more questions about the process, BUT.. I saw this and thought it might work... I know, a lot of "ifs" and inquiries to be made, but still might be worth it.

Order/Stock No.: sapphire_blue_1185

You found a beautiful sapphire Niel!
I have a one time only experience but in my opinion the colours are close to reality. I would recommend that the jeweller makes some additional photo's for review.
Also, you can deal with Gemfix directly and ask them to reserve the stone. However you have to wire the amount to the jeweller and the jeweller needs to wire the amount to Gemfix. They have a good return policy.

 

[MollyMalone]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Gem 2000 is an established, reputable importer-wholesaler. But much of their inventory is offered to the trade without lab reports, and that's true of the 3 sapphires 2Neezers posted above for your consideration. Assuming Gem 2000, Pearlman's, and you could reach a mutually agreeable understanding re securing a report from AGL or GIA (& what happens if the lab assessment reveals something displeasing), obtaining a report is probably not feasible if having a completed ring in hand by December 13 is of crucial importance to you. In contrast, Gemfix and MasterCut sapphires generally do have AGL briefs or GIA reports.

* * * That's what I had in mind! Shipping the stone to the vendor, so he can set it, and then ship the final ring. My only concerned about that.. and sorry if it sounds as if I have trusting issues! I'm pretty far away, and want everything to be as smooth as possible.. but what could stop the vendor from keeping my sapphire and replacing it for a 'less desirable' one..? That's why I feel much more confident knowing you guys vouched for [Pearlman's]!

Are you comfortable with Pearlman's assembling a non-returnable ring without first seeing the sapphire for yourself in real life? I would want to see the stone beforehand to make sure it speaks to me, but I'm in the States, so don't face the same kind of aggravation, etc. re delivery and returns that you do.

I don't know the level of service Pearlman's might offer in this scenario, but I'd ask if they would be willing to send you pics (& hopefully, make a video too?) under various lighting conditions of any sapphire they source for your consideration, including one(s) from Gem 2000, before you "pull the trigger."

 

[Sabrushi]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Hi everybody! First of all I would like to say that I contacted Pearlman's, and he seemed like a very nice person! (Bill). He explained that they are AGTA members, and that he worked for GIA for quite a while. I've followed 2Neezers advice, and I've found quite a lot of people who have done business with them (over on the diamonds' section), so all good with the vendor so far!
Regarding the sapphire, he mentioned that this setting would only fit a 7mm round sapphire (the halo is 10mm), and he said we could try to find one in their gemstones' inventory. I'm a bit worried about the 7mm part, since it seems a bit smaller of what I was expecting.. what do you all think?

Niel, the sapphire you found is gorgeous! But I noticed that it's 7.5mm.. Same with the ones 2Neezers found (I like the first one, but I think the other two are a bit too clear); just over 7mm (by the way.. nice to know I'm not the only one crazy for sapphires as e-rings! )

Gem 2000 is an established, reputable importer-wholesaler. But much of their inventory is offered to the trade without lab reports, and that's true of the 3 sapphires 2Neezers posted above for your consideration. Assuming Gem 2000, Pearlman's, and you could reach a mutually agreeable understanding re securing a report from AGL or GIA (& what happens if the lab assessment reveals something displeasing), obtaining a report is probably not feasible if having a completed ring in hand by December 13 is of crucial importance to you. In contrast, Gemfix and MasterCut sapphires generally do have AGL briefs or GIA reports.

* * * That's what I had in mind! Shipping the stone to the vendor, so he can set it, and then ship the final ring. My only concerned about that.. and sorry if it sounds as if I have trusting issues! I'm pretty far away, and want everything to be as smooth as possible.. but what could stop the vendor from keeping my sapphire and replacing it for a 'less desirable' one..? That's why I feel much more confident knowing you guys vouched for [Pearlman's]!

Are you comfortable with Pearlman's assembling a non-returnable ring without first seeing the sapphire for yourself in real life? I would want to see the stone beforehand to make sure it speaks to me, but I'm in the States, so don't face the same kind of aggravation, etc. re delivery and returns that you do.

I don't know the level of service Pearlman's might offer in this scenario, but I'd ask if they would be willing to send you pics (& hopefully, make a video too?) under various lighting conditions of any sapphire they source for your consideration, including one(s) from Gem 2000, before you "pull the trigger."

Thanks for all this info, MollyMalone! I didn't know that a report wasn't offered.. Since I live so far away, and I'm a total newbie, that would be essential to carry on with the purchase. I'm gonna mention this to the vendor, and see what he says.
Regarding the second part of your post, I would definitely prefer to check the sapphire in person, but unfortunately, I don't have the chance to.. And so far, the locals vendors I've talked with, told me that they outsource their stones, and takes ~ 3/4 weeks for them to have their stock. Also, the prices are quite hefty on this side of the world! So although I know it sounds risky, If I feel comfortable with the vendor.. and I love the stone, I think I'm up for it!

I would certainly ask for photos/videos of the sapphire, as you all recommended (different lighting, angles, and even 'over' the ring), and I would also want to see a video of the ring in a 'real hand', not just the dummy hand. I'm probably gonna sit on this till I arrive to Sydney (tomorrow!), since I'm not 100% sure about the sapphire size.

Thanks for all the recommendations/info.. keep it coming!

 

[2Neezers]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

A 7mm stone with a halo bringing the size up to 10mm would be large enough for me, but if you had your heart set on something larger than that you might be disappointed. Is there a local jeweler around you where you could try on a 7mm stone with a halo so you can have a better idea of how it would look on your hand?

I was browsing some of the recommended vendor sites today and came across a very large round sapphire that would be in your price range from The Gem Trader. He is very popular around here too. I don't know if the color would be what you are hoping for, but the size is 8.3mm! It looks to me like he puts strong light on the gems in their photos, so it might be a richer color in person. I have never purchased anything from him, but maybe others can weigh in on how his photos compare to the real thing.

Here's the link:
http://www.thegemtrader.com/May13BSapphirePage.htm
It's 3.75ct., 8.3mm round, $4,125.00 and comes with a AGL Certificate.

I do see on his eBay auctions that he is located in Michigan which is the same state here in the US that Pearlman's is located in. I wonder if you liked the sapphire from The Gem Trader if Pearlman's could somehow obtain that sapphire and then find a similar setting for you to put together a complete ring to send you???
Here's the photo of The Gem Trader sapphire:

 

[2Neezers]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

I also just popped on to the Gem 2000 site and found a gorgeous sapphire that would fit in the setting you love from Pearlman's - and it's already certified!

It's #5244, 7 x 7.09mm (I don't think the .09mm difference will be a problem for that setting, but you would have to ask to make sure), 1.47ct, and listed at $5,145.00 on the Pearlman's site. It is a tiny bit over your budget - but maybe if they offer a PS discount, or are aware of your budget - it would come in under budget.

Here's the link:
http://www.gem2000.com/gsresult.php?itemno=5244&gemtype=Any&varietycolor=Any&minweight=&maxweight=&pieces=Any&cutshape=Any&Submit=SEARCH
and a link to the Cert:
http://www.gem2000.com/images/certs/c5244.jpg

 

[Niel]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

He said the stone fit about a 1.5 ct in the add, so I was basing it off that, if it fits a 7, frankly. That's all the better, because a 7.5 was going to really stretch your budget, where a 7 seems to be a nice comfortable range for your budget. If bill is able to provide hanfshots and possibly video of some stones he could source that's probably easiest seeing as how he knows exactly the stonenaize the setting needs.


Exciting things are working out for you

 

[chrono]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

You can get a nice 7 mm stone within budget but when I tried my best to look for a 7.5 mm stone, they were all way outside your $4K allotted for the stone. Keep in mind to look for a lighter coloured blue sapphire because it will darken once set in a halo.

 

[Sabrushi]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

2Neezers, Niel and Chronos.. thanks a lot for your help!

So I've finally decided that the size is perfect! I think that perhaps what confused me is the sapphire size vs. halo size. You were all spot on, 10mm it's a lot of finger coverage! Nevertheless, as I said before, I'm asking Bill for pics + video of the ring in a 'real hand', so I can reassure my decision.

I've been checking his inventory, which as Neil said, is from the gem2000 stock. After browsing back and forth, I've set in these items: Item# 5453 / 5419 / 4848 / 5761 / 5135 / 4254 / 5186 / 5766. I liked the first one a lot, and comes with certification, which makes me like it even more! One question here, since the sapphire is a tad smaller, would that mean that there would be an empty space between the sapphire and the halo? or how would it look?.
I also liked the second one very much. The third one.. I like it, but I think it has a slight purplish undertone, not that there's anything wrong with that! (I love amethysts!), what do you think? And the rest of them, seem okish, but don't excite me as much.
Bonus item: 4864 (I know, you are all gonna think I went to the complete opposite side, but couldn't resist it! I love that peachy/honey tone in it! ).

Would love to hear your opinions about this! I'm learning a LOT here, thanks all!

 

[2Neezers]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

That's great news that the 7mm size sapphire will make you happy!
I read somewhere that a round stone will usually fit in a round setting within 0.2mm of their measurement.
That would mean that a stone in the 6.8mm - 7.2mm size should fit in the setting you like. You would want to confirm that this is true in the case of your setting with Bill though.

 

[Niel]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

The size bill tells you is the size that will fit the setting best. Meaning, he is saying 7mm is what will make the stone fit without overlapping or gap. At least, that how I've ever done it with vendors, but of course, address any concerns toto bill. I would just tell him you want as close to a perfect fit as possible with as close to trade ideal you can get within budget.

 

[chrono]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

5453 - Has potential. Looks a bit dark in the picture so it would not be a stone I'd want to halo nor purchase sight unseen.
5419 - I have confidence that this will not become overdark once set in a halo. Bright colour with good cutting.
4848 - A bit more violet.
5761 and the rest have colour and cut that make them less attractive than your top 3.

My concern is that because you are not viewing these stones in person, I (and you) have absolutely no idea how it will shift indoors. Most sapphires just die under fluorescent lighting either becoming overly dark or drab (loses its punch of colour). A few will not shift as drastically and this is what you need to find out.

 

[Niel]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Not surprisingly, I like the 5419 like chrono said.

 

[2Neezers]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

5419 looks beautiful and bright in it's picture and would also be pretty close to an ideal fit for your setting at 6.9mm - and it comes in well under your budget!
The only thing I noticed is that it doesn't show that it comes with a certificate. Is that a must have for you? I have never sent anything off to be certified and don't know how long it would take for that. I would make sure to let Bill know also that you have a time deadline that you are working with.

 

[Sabrushi]

Re: Help for a total newbie.. new to engagement rings/gemsto

Hello everybody! I'm finally in Sydney..

Yes!! I'm glad my choices were good! Definitely the second one (#5419) is probably the way to go; I love the color, and they size would be perfect. Chrono.. I'm gonna phone Bill today, and talk about this. I'm definitely asking for pics of the sapphire under different light conditions + pics of the ring. I will post them here soon, fingers crossed!

2Neezers, I would so much prefer to have the stone certified. I'm happy it's under my budget, but it's still a big chunk! haha.. and mostly taking into account I'm unable of seeing it in person.. In the case the certification takes a long time, would you still advise to go for it? I want to be confident about my purchase.

As a side note, taking into account this would come underbudget (~6.5k in total, vs. 8/9k I had in mind), do you guys think I should still mention that PS discount? I'm not good at bargaining or negotiating prices.. and I don't wanna end up embarrassing myself.

Thanks a lot for your input! Much appreciated..