Help finding a diamond from BlueNile

[Diamond2014]

That one is bad. Crown, Depth, and Pavilion are all bad.

It's not that VS1 is automatically bad. My missus's diamond is also a VS1, but you have to check to see what's there in the VS1.
My missus's diamond is VS1, as picture below.

Originally I got a VVS2 diamond, but I still see some pinpoint under loupe. Then when I went to VS1 with those inclusion hidden on the star facet and bezel facet, which looks even more incredibly clean to me, more than the VVS2 that we returned

 

[1820blue]

That's a pretty steep crown for that large of a table IMHO. This isn't my forte, but would like to see if others agree. I still like the first stone. VVS1 Is way overkill unless that is your fancy.

Thanks for the input Canvas - good to know that the first stone seems a better option - i only really care about eye clean so yeah i guess vvs1 is really over kill .. still slight concerned about the inclusions on the vs1 as its in the middle of the table but in theory should be eye clean.. looking forward to seeing the actual picture .. i have been looking on BN and there are a fair few 1.2ct vs1 i Colors.. i think however Niel took the cream of the crop already

 

[1820blue]

That one is bad. Crown, Depth, and Pavilion are all bad.

It's not that VS1 is automatically bad. My missus's diamond is also a VS1, but you have to check to see what's there in the VS1.
My missus's diamond is VS1, as picture below.

Originally I got a VVS2 diamond, but I still see some pinpoint under loupe. Then when I went to VS1 with those inclusion hidden on the star facet and bezel facet, which looks even more incredibly clean to me, more than the VVS2 that we returned

Thats good to know Diamond geeza ... I'm really not too bothered about how it looks under the loupe - so in theory the vs1 from BN could still be a good option. I certainly see your point that its better if the inclusions are hidden.. i don't mind as long as they are hidden to the naked eye.. haven't gone and got myself a loupe although am getting quite into this so i may well do so...

surprising how interesting this whole diamond world is!! has absolutely no clue a week ago.. now I'm just clueless

 

[Diamond2014]

I think you can definitely see any inclusion if it exist, don't need to be under loupe, especially in the table. When she's wearing it everyday, she'll eventually see it, under certain angle. Especially if she's nearsighted. If she's nearsighted, when she take off her glasses or contact lens, she can clearly see all the fingerprint lines on her fingers.

Keep looking for something that's not in the table, so that all the sparkles will hide the inclusion.

 

[Diamondbug]

I think the stone Neil picked has awesome numbers. VS1 is eye clean. You only need to start worrying about eye clean in VS2 and very rarely even then. I think you can nit pick a stone to death and get diamond buying paralysis. If you have to worry about something, you should worry about color. But an I is plenty white for me.

 

[Niel]

It's a vs1. It'll be eye clean.

For goodness sake.

 

[Diamondbug]

It's a vs1. It'll be eye clean.

For goodness sake.

Glad you said it Neil!! I think you are awesome at helping newbies pick stones. Thank you for all your help!! I think the diamond has boat lots of potential. Can't wait to see photo.

 

[1820blue]

It's a vs1. It'll be eye clean.

For goodness sake.

Glad you said it Neil!! I think you are awesome at helping newbies pick stones. Thank you for all your help!! I think the diamond has boat lots of potential. Can't wait to see photo.

Thanks for all the input guys!!! Checking my
Email every 5 minutes to get this damn pic up !

 

[1820blue]

Hi guys.. I came a cross this article comparant 1ct to 1.2ct - i noticed that the measurements they take for an average 1.2 are quite a bit above the measurement of the BN diamond we have been discussing in this thread. The avg is 6.91mm vs this BN stone of 6.81 (link to article http://www.diamdb.com/compare/1ct-round-6.5x6.5x3.92-vs-1.2ct-round/

Now I know we are talking minute diff but would this be something to worry about ? Am I overpaying for a 1.2 that faces up as a 1.1 for example?

Still awaiting pic from BN so researching more than i Prob should

 

[Niel]

Hi guys.. I came a cross this article comparant 1ct to 1.2ct - i noticed that the measurements they take for an average 1.2 are quite a bit above the measurement of the BN diamond we have been discussing in this thread. The avg is 6.91mm vs this BN stone of 6.81 (link to article http://www.diamdb.com/compare/1ct-round-6.5x6.5x3.92-vs-1.2ct-round/

Now I know we are talking minute diff but would this be something to worry about ? Am I overpaying for a 1.2 that faces up as a 1.1 for example?

Still awaiting pic from BN so researching more than i Prob should

I had stumbled upon that sight a few months ago. There is a rule on PS you can't share links to other diamond websites, but I thought it was helpful so I emailed the admins about it. There response was they didn't want it shared as it didn't have accurate diamond information. I say this not because you shared the link (not reprimanding you, lots of people share it ) but because i just want to point out how useful it is. I use it all the time to gauge perspective, but that's it.

They are probably just basing the measurement of a 60% depth or something.

Engagement ring shopping is about compromise. It is for everybody, not just you. You could buy yourself a d IF stone, but then how big would it be? You could pick the "perfect cut" but then you'll have to sacrifice somewhere else, not to mention everybody has their own idea of what's "perfect".
For everyone it comes down to the right concessions to get the most for your budget. Clearly you and your future wife care about size, as is the norm for people in the us. I think, with that in mind, you are making the right concessions. You're getting an eye clean, white, ideal cut diamond.

Plus, if it helps, she's not going to be not picking every % and grading choice you made. So don't stress out!!

 

[1820blue]

Hi guys.. I came a cross this article comparant 1ct to 1.2ct - i noticed that the measurements they take for an average 1.2 are quite a bit above the measurement of the BN diamond we have been discussing in this thread. The avg is 6.91mm vs this BN stone of 6.81 (link to article http://www.diamdb.com/compare/1ct-round-6.5x6.5x3.92-vs-1.2ct-round/

Now I know we are talking minute diff but would this be something to worry about ? Am I overpaying for a 1.2 that faces up as a 1.1 for example?

Still awaiting pic from BN so researching more than i Prob should

I had stumbled upon that sight a few months ago. There is a rule on PS you can't share links to other diamond websites, but I thought it was helpful so I emailed the admins about it. There response was they didn't want it shared as it didn't have accurate diamond information. I say this not because you shared the link (not reprimanding you, lots of people share it ) but because i just want to point out how useful it is. I use it all the time to gauge perspective, but that's it.

They are probably just basing the measurement of a 60% depth or something.

Engagement ring shopping is about compromise. It is for everybody, not just you. You could buy yourself a d IF stone, but then how big would it be? You could pick the "perfect cut" but then you'll have to sacrifice somewhere else, not to mention everybody has their own idea of what's "perfect".
For everyone it comes down to the right concessions to get the most for your budget. Clearly you and your future wife care about size, as is the norm for people in the us. I think, with that in mind, you are making the right concessions. You're getting an eye clean, white, ideal cut diamond.

Plus, if it helps, she's not going to be not picking every % and grading choice you made. So don't stress out!!

Thanks niel - that is somewhat comforting . And apologies for posting that link admins, didnt realise that was a faux pas! I think like you say I am more clear on the concessions im willing to make snd agree that at the end of the day no one will be scrutinising every little detail ... Let's see the actual pic of the diamond and then take it from there ..

 

[1820blue]

Just received an email from BN....

Thank you for your patience while I await the request of the Diamond you are interested in.

After I left yesterday, the vault has confirmed the stone you are interested in, stock number LD04840710. However, I have not received a photo. Sometimes, the vaults are not able to produce them. If I do receive a photo, I will surely pass it along.

This stone is on a 48 hour reserve for you at this point. Please contact us at 00 800 2583 6453 to proceed with this order.

Feel like I have been led on a bit and feels little lost now... Not sure what to think ..this is disapointing .. I guess most won't get a pic on BN but why promise one in the first place.. Leaves me in quite a conundrum

 

[Niel]

Ah well I'm sorry they thought they could get you a photo and couldn't. However, like I said, I didn't even think they provided those. So you are not at a disadvantage compared to other BN buyers.




If you're unhappy with their service, I'd consider JA again. Frankly a 6-4 prong setting won't make too much of a difference. But they will customize things. Why not ask if they can do that setting with 4 prongs instead of 6

 

[HappyNewLife]

make sure you order through ebates! (sorry if this has already been mentioned)

 

[Diamond2014]

Have you signed up for eBates yet? Refer me!

http://www.ebates.com/rf.do?referrerid=HFFncalh6I57x3uSIpAeZw%3D%3D&eeid=26471

For the same price, my first diamond was 1.5ct F Color with VVS2. But to get a perfectly ideal proportion, same price, I sacrificed for another diamond which is a 1.43ct F Color with VS1. But for both diamond, I get it with the Depth in the 60's %, so that it can looks correctly big for its carat weight. Even though it's a 1.43ct, it was cut to ideal proportion so it'd would like other 1.5ct out there.

I scanned through BlueNile website to look at the size of 1.5ct, and MOST of them are cut the same size as my 1.43ct. Some weight is hidden in the girdle, some weight is hidden in the depth, etc. Even though there's a huge price jump when it hit the 1.5ct magic number, but the 1.43ct spark like heck with a balance of brilliance and fire, so I'm sure people will not even concentrate on the size and be mesmerize by the sparkles and fires.

 

[1820blue]

thanks happy new life - have already signed up

well have been in contact with BN through both their chat and by phone. Am not too impressed with the level of service to be honest. i am still waiting to see if they can get a pic of the diamond as the vault has not come back to them and they have "too many suppliers" to be able to contact them personally. i am aware that it is not common to get a pic with BN - the lady on the phone stated
"why would you want a pic anyway, it will be enlarged and useless to you. all diamonds are going to be fiery at 1ct size so why would you want the pic anyway. if it was a big diamond, like a 7ct diamond we might be able to get a pic for you, but not for a 1-1.2 ct"

- still a bit shocked by these comments.. I also asked if there was a possibility to get the ASET and ideal scope if i paid for it myself prior to sending, she informed me that that would be useless for such a stone and that its pointless seeing a stone up close -baffling- and about the size, talk about making a man feel good about his purchase of a mere 1.2 ct.... also, the online chat said i would have to call BN directly as he has "too many chats" at the moment to be able to open a new ticket to see why the pic hasn't come yet... not impressed to be honest... despite that i was aware of the disadvantages of shopping with blue nile and i really really like the 1.2 and it does seem a good price, as you know I'm also very keen on the setting. Am still waiting to hear back if a pic is possible or not. based on the positive feedback from a few of you, the high HCA score and the fact that a VS1 should anyone be flawless to the naked eye i may just have to bite the bullet.. worse case i can send it back and the due date is coming up fast

 

[1820blue]

Have you signed up for eBates yet? Refer me!

http://www.ebates.com/rf.do?referrerid=HFFncalh6I57x3uSIpAeZw%3D%3D&eeid=26471

For the same price, my first diamond was 1.5ct F Color with VVS2. But to get a perfectly ideal proportion, same price, I sacrificed for another diamond which is a 1.43ct F Color with VS1. But for both diamond, I get it with the Depth in the 60's %, so that it can looks correctly big for its carat weight. Even though it's a 1.43ct, it was cut to ideal proportion so it'd would like other 1.5ct out there.

I scanned through BlueNile website to look at the size of 1.5ct, and MOST of them are cut the same size as my 1.43ct. Some weight is hidden in the girdle, some weight is hidden in the depth, etc. Even though there's a huge price jump when it hit the 1.5ct magic number, but the 1.43ct spark like heck with a balance of brilliance and fire, so I'm sure people will not even concentrate on the size and be mesmerize by the sparkles and fires.

Thanks diamond! will refer you! yes i can imagine! you got a 1.5ct F colour VVS2 for $6000? thats impressive don't think you would even get close now! i see your point about the depth being 62 but i think it should still be ok

 

[Diamond2014]

You know you can get the setting from BlueNile, then order the loose stone from another place, then bring it to places like Jared or so and have them do the setting the stone for you?

Honestly, I defend BlueNile for the basic fact that everyone want to be babysat as a customer. Ok, BlueNile service sucks, they dont provide you load of cute pictures and ideal scope and aset scope. So that push many buyers to another vendor that can babysit them with ideal scope and aset scope. MEANWHILE I learn all about the proportions and read the numbers and take my gamble for a diamond much cheaper than other vendor.

Other vendors provide you with all these goodies pictures, do the comparison for you, ideal scope, and aset scope but YOU ARE PAYING A PREMIUM for that! A diamond of same characteristic cost $15,000 at BlueNile would cost $20,000 at other places, because they get paid to babysit you.

So educate yourself extremely well, use the knowledge and choose the diamond base on the numbers. Gamble and you got a 30 days return windows if you don't like it.

 

[Diamond2014]

I did not get 1.5ct F colour VVS2 for $6000.

Also get yourself an ideal and aset scope for 50bux. When the BlueNile or other vendor's diamond come, you can see for yourself whether the diamond is measured up to its description on their product page

 

[Niel]

You know you can get the setting from BlueNile, then order the loose stone from another place, then bring it to places like Jared or so and have them do the setting the stone for you?

Honestly, I defend BlueNile for the basic fact that everyone want to be babysat as a customer. Ok, BlueNile service sucks, they dont provide you load of cute pictures and ideal scope and aset scope. So that push many buyers to another vendor that can babysit them with ideal scope and aset scope. MEANWHILE I learn all about the proportions and read the numbers and take my gamble for a diamond much cheaper than other vendor.

Other vendors provide you with all these goodies pictures, do the comparison for you, ideal scope, and aset scope but YOU ARE PAYING A PREMIUM for that! A diamond of same characteristic cost $15,000 at BlueNile would cost $20,000 at other places, because they get paid to babysit you.

So educate yourself extremely well, use the knowledge and choose the diamond base on the numbers. Gamble and you got a 30 days return windows if you don't like it.

Sense when does blue Nile sell settings alone? They have never done that before. When did that change?

 

[Lady_diamond]

Hey I wanted to share my experience with blue nile. I bought my diamond from them using references regarding the ideal proportions (the angles, AGS ideal criteria, and idealscope/ASET scope charts to demonstrate the relationship of the pavillion and crown angles, HCA calculator) as guidance. I also looked at the position of the inclusions and the type - as those that are closer to the intersecting angles can appear multiplied due to internal reflections.

Once I received the diamond I took it to the local jewellers for inspection - and they reassured that there was nothing wrong with the diamond and in fact it was very nice and I managed to save myself from the range of $14K+ (when compared to the retail price after tax).

I just bought an idealscope and ASET scope myself to view the diamond (you can see these images in the forum).

Goodluck! Blue nile offers a 28 days return policy!

 

[1820blue]

Hey I wanted to share my experience with blue nile. I bought my diamond from them using references regarding the ideal proportions (the angles, AGS ideal criteria, and idealscope/ASET scope charts to demonstrate the relationship of the pavillion and crown angles, HCA calculator) as guidance. I also looked at the position of the inclusions and the type - as those that are closer to the intersecting angles can appear multiplied due to internal reflections.

Once I received the diamond I took it to the local jewellers for inspection - and they reassured that there was nothing wrong with the diamond and in fact it was very nice and I managed to save myself from the range of $14K+ (when compared to the retail price after tax).

I just bought an idealscope and ASET scope myself to view the diamond (you can see these images in the forum).

Goodluck! Blue nile offers a 28 days return policy!

Thanks for your feedback lady diamond! Just read all your posts..! It appears we were on the same boat in the beginning (admittedly your boat was slightly bigger than mine)

I think you are right - I have used the tools I can with a the limited info from BN and have generally got good feedback about the stone. I think I might have one last look round and just go for it knowing that worst case scenario I just send it back..

I didn't really get what you meant by "save myself from the range of 14k+) ..?

I have seen the pics of the ring - it looks absolutely gorgeous to me!! Can I ssl how much you paid for thE ASET and ideal scope? Also would you recomend somewhere in London ? I'm guessing you went to Hatton gardens?

Thanks again for your input and congrats - it's a stunner

 

[Lady_diamond]

I asked the jewellers in Hatton Gardens for their opinion on the diamond, the estimates from the different jewellers ranged from: $35K- $47K (I think this is a ridiculous estimate). Blue nile appraisal for the same diamond was $28K - which I think is more accurate. That is what I meant regarding "saving".

Are you from London, UK?

ASET scope was $50 and idealscope was $60.

My experience of Hatton gardens: Most jewellers did not know what idealscope or reflector light tests were for diamonds, their advice was that as long as a diamond is certified as GIA triple excellent, then you will be guarantee a high performing diamond (however reading goodoldgold website and being in this forum - I realise that is not always true). Light and optical performance is not always guranteed!

 

[smelvinwrong]

Did you buy it? Says the diamond is out of stock now

 

[1820blue]

I asked the jewellers in Hatton Gardens for their opinion on the diamond, the estimates from the different jewellers ranged from: $35K- $47K (I think this is a ridiculous estimate). Blue nile appraisal for the same diamond was $28K - which I think is more accurate. That is what I meant regarding "saving".

Are you from London, UK?

ASET scope was $50 and idealscope was $60.

My experience of Hatton gardens: Most jewellers did not know what idealscope or reflector light tests were for diamonds, their advice was that as long as a diamond is certified as GIA triple excellent, then you will be guarantee a high performing diamond (however reading goodoldgold website and being in this forum - I realise that is not always true). Light and optical performance is not always guranteed!

Thanks lady d.. No I live in switzerland but am planning to propose in London - although I guess it's not very romantic dragging my lady through Hatton gardens the day after the proposal to check the value of the Stone!!wow those estimates are extremely high... Am I correct in thinking you paid 17k? Blue joke gave you a separate appraisal to what you paid for it? Did you have to ask for that?

Thanks again for your tips

 

[1820blue]

Did you buy it? Says the diamond is out of stock now

No it's on hold still pending a possible photo ...

 

[Lady_diamond]

Hi blue.

I paid $17K USD ($20.7K after tax), blue nile appraisal was $28K. For all diamond purchased with a setting with blue nile, they appraise it for you. This is for insurance cover in the event that you lose the ring. From what I have been told the appraisal is set at a higher amount compared to the diamond to ensure that you get the exact diamond with the same specifications if you need a replacement.

You can ask the vault manager if they can inspect the diamond for you and see if it is eye clean etc, and they may be able to answer some of your other questions.

 

[1820blue]

Hi blue.

I paid $17K USD ($20.7K after tax), blue nile appraisal was $28K. For all diamond purchased with a setting with blue nile, they appraise it for you. This is for insurance cover in the event that you lose the ring. From what I have been told the appraisal is set at a higher amount compared to the diamond to ensure that you get the exact diamond with the same specifications if you need a replacement.

You can ask the vault manager if they can inspect the diamond for you and see if it is eye clean etc, and they may be able to answer some of your other questions.

That's great to know ! Thx for the info!!!

 

[Gypsy]

Hi blue.

I paid $17K USD ($20.7K after tax), blue nile appraisal was $28K. For all diamond purchased with a setting with blue nile, they appraise it for you. This is for insurance cover in the event that you lose the ring. From what I have been told the appraisal is set at a higher amount compared to the diamond to ensure that you get the exact diamond with the same specifications if you need a replacement.

You can ask the vault manager if they can inspect the diamond for you and see if it is eye clean etc, and they may be able to answer some of your other questions.

That's great to know ! Thx for the info!!!

Bad information.

That piece is NOT worth what BN appraised it for. It's an inflated appraisal. DO NOT INSURE FOR THAT AMOUNT.

The item is worth WHAT YOU PAID FOR IT. BN is a retailer.

Do a search on here for inflated appraisals and you'll learn more.

 

[1820blue]

Hi all..

UPDATE:

So BN are still awaiting a pic on the first diamond - which seems to be taking forever. I am quite keen on the 1.2. They have since sent me another diamond to review with a pic

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD02586577

This time they have provided a pic.. what do you think (see attached)

As a side note, the person I am in contact with now is a diamond advisor and GIA accredited and seems to be more efficient and helpful than the chat and normal helpline.

look forward to hearing your input
Best