Help finding a diamond from BlueNile

[1820blue]

Hi all!

Some of you may have seen my recent thread "help! 1 month to choose an eng ring" (see link below) - I have now narrowed down my choice to Bluenile as its the only place i can find the setting that I like - http://www.bluenile.com/ch/en/build-your-own-ring/diamond-engagement-ring-setting-platinum_23185 - I realise that there is a huge disadvantage with buying form Blue nile in that you cant see the actual diamond and you cant get ideal and Aset, which i now understand is like buying a car before driving it....

But what can I do if im sure that is the setting she will love and there is nothing close enough to it on JA. Could anyone help me with finidng a stone on blue nile? if I choose a few prospects are they able to provide me with further détails? as a reminder i am looking for the following:

budget $6000-6500 (stone only)
1.-1.2ct (biggger the better)
eye clean
preferably color G/H .. /VS1/2 - SI1
Below 2 HCA

any help is appreciated! thanks guys



Link to previous thread [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-1-month-to-choose-an-eng-ring.207603/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-1-month-to-choose-an-eng-ring.207603/[/URL]

 

[Niel]

im going with an I....


http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD04840710?keyword_search_value=LD04840710

ETA: are you sure they don't have anything at JA? I feel like this one is quite similar, just with 6 prongs instead of 4


http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/james-allen-exclusive-engagement-ring-item-49506

 

[1820blue]

im going with an I....


http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD04840710?keyword_search_value=LD04840710

ETA: are you sure they don't have anything at JA? I feel like this one is quite similar, just with 6 prongs instead of 4


http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/james-allen-exclusive-engagement-ring-item-49506

Thank Niel - Yes I had looked at that one.. not so keen on the 6 prong I feel you see less of the diamond from the side..


That diamond you sent looks too good to be true! how are the depth and the table? I guess the big issue is that we cant see this diamond? I am wondering if i can ask ideal and aset! this seems like a great option.. I just got a tad excited!

 

[1820blue]

im going with an I....


http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD04840710?keyword_search_value=LD04840710

ETA: are you sure they don't have anything at JA? I feel like this one is quite similar, just with 6 prongs instead of 4


http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/james-allen-exclusive-engagement-ring-item-49506

I am interested in the bluenile diamond linked above - almsot seems a bit too good to be true, which usually means it is. My priority is that it is eye clean.. this size would be great. as you know i cannot get an ideal or aset but can get a pic of the actual diamons

from what i have learned the medium fluroscence could actual be useful on an I coloured stone

so i guess thats a starting point.. would really really appreciate any further input.. i know its hard with only the GIA but....

 

[canvasback]

im going with an I....


http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD04840710?keyword_search_value=LD04840710

ETA: are you sure they don't have anything at JA? I feel like this one is quite similar, just with 6 prongs instead of 4


http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/james-allen-exclusive-engagement-ring-item-49506

I am interested in the bluenile diamond linked above - almsot seems a bit too good to be true, which usually means it is. My priority is that it is eye clean.. this size would be great. as you know i cannot get an ideal or aset but can get a pic of the actual diamons

from what i have learned the medium fluroscence could actual be useful on an I coloured stone

so i guess thats a starting point.. would really really appreciate any further input.. i know its hard with only the GIA but....

From the numbers it looks good. The diamond will be eye-clean. It's a VS-1, meaning that the inclusions will be difficult (or at least require effort) to see at 10x.

You have no worries in that regard.

 

[1820blue]

im going with an I....


http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD04840710?keyword_search_value=LD04840710

ETA: are you sure they don't have anything at JA? I feel like this one is quite similar, just with 6 prongs instead of 4


http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/james-allen-exclusive-engagement-ring-item-49506

I am interested in the bluenile diamond linked above - almsot seems a bit too good to be true, which usually means it is. My priority is that it is eye clean.. this size would be great. as you know i cannot get an ideal or aset but can get a pic of the actual diamons

from what i have learned the medium fluroscence could actual be useful on an I coloured stone

so i guess thats a starting point.. would really really appreciate any further input.. i know its hard with only the GIA but....

From the numbers it looks good. The diamond will be eye-clean. It's a VS-1, meaning that the inclusions will be difficult for most to see at 10x.

You have no worries in that regard.

Thanks for your input Canvas - are the depth and heigh within acceptable range? This does seem like a good option.. ticks the box of being eye clean without a doubt... appreciate any input - am trying to get a pic of the diamond to post.. should i be worried about the twinning wisps? there appear to be quite alot of them-- also there is "additional twinning wisps, pinpoints and surface graining are not shown" - is that somehting i shoudl be wary of

 

[1820blue]

is there a way i can determine the HCA of this diamond?

 

[canvasback]

Yes, all numbers are in an acceptable range. Twinning wisps do a good job of making a plot look ugly. Seeing that this is a VS1 diamond, you don't have much to worry about. One question to ask might be if any of the inclusions are colored. I wouldn't be worried about any (perceptible) loss of brilliance in a VS1 stone.

 

[1820blue]

is there a way i can determine the HCA of this diamond?

I just plugged the fiugres using the HCA calculator the results appear to be good

https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca

Factor Grade
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 1.1 - Excellent
within TIC range

 

[canvasback]

is there a way i can determine the HCA of this diamond?

Here's the HCA. I went ahead and entered the numbers for you. Notice that GIA rounds some numbers, but regardless you're way below the cutoff of 2-2.5

Selected: 62.1% depth, 55% table, 34° crown angle, 40.8° pavilion angle



Factor Grade
Light Return: Excellent
Fire: Excellent
Scintillation: Excellent
Spread or diameter for weight: Very Good
Total Visual Performance: 1.1 - Excellent

 

[1820blue]

is there a way i can determine the HCA of this diamond?

Here's the HCA. I went ahead and entered the numbers for you. Notice that GIA rounds some numbers, but regardless you're way below the cutoff of 2-2.5

Selected: 62.1% depth, 55% table, 34° crown angle, 40.8° pavilion angle



Factor Grade
Light Return: Excellent
Fire: Excellent
Scintillation: Excellent
Spread or diameter for weight: Very Good
Total Visual Performance: 1.1 - Excellent

Thanks! yes those figures appear more than acceptable - I have requested a pic of the diamond which might help a bit - have also put the stone on hold.. it is slightly over my original budget but at 1.2 also slighty bigger so its justified!

any more iput on the diamond would be welcomed..i know its hard when i cant provide the Tools you would normally require...

 

[Niel]

I'll have to find where charmy was talking about it in another thread, but they go though a deal site and you can get I think 2-3% off that way, or a refer a friend that BN has I think can get you 100$ off, maybe refer yourself from one email to another? I'll look for where she talks about it.

 

[canvasback]

I'll have to find where charmy was talking about it in another thread, but they go though a deal site and you can get I think 2-3% off that way, or a refer a friend that BN has I think can get you 100$ off, maybe refer yourself from one email to another? I'll look for where she talks about it.

I found a link to what you may be talking about.

http://www.bluenile.com/email_friend.jsp

 

[Niel]

I'll have to find where charmy was talking about it in another thread, but they go though a deal site and you can get I think 2-3% off that way, or a refer a friend that BN has I think can get you 100$ off, maybe refer yourself from one email to another? I'll look for where she talks about it.

I found a link to what you may be talking about.

http://www.bluenile.com/email_friend.jsp

That's part. Here's the thread where charmy also talks about the 2.5% discount. I think its on the first page
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/which-of-these-two-for-a-halo-setting-i-vs-g-pics.207456/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/which-of-these-two-for-a-halo-setting-i-vs-g-pics.207456/[/URL]

 

[1820blue]

I'll have to find where charmy was talking about it in another thread, but they go though a deal site and you can get I think 2-3% off that way, or a refer a friend that BN has I think can get you 100$ off, maybe refer yourself from one email to another? I'll look for where she talks about it.

I found a link to what you may be talking about.

http://www.bluenile.com/email_friend.jsp

Thank you Niel and Canvas - you 2 are my current heroes!! lol... im guessing considering I havnet had a big NOOO coming from the forum this is def Worth considering! obviously will wait to get the picture and post before going any further

 

[Niel]

I'll have to find where charmy was talking about it in another thread, but they go though a deal site and you can get I think 2-3% off that way, or a refer a friend that BN has I think can get you 100$ off, maybe refer yourself from one email to another? I'll look for where she talks about it.

I found a link to what you may be talking about.

http://www.bluenile.com/email_friend.jsp

Thank you Niel and Canvas - you 2 are my current heroes!! lol... im guessing considering I havnet had a big NOOO coming from the forum this is def Worth considering! obviously will wait to get the picture and post before going any further

I'm quite the fan of that stone myself, small table, fat arrows, medium fluor, 1.2cts. Also, visually, I tend to gravitate towards stones deeper than 62. But then again, I suggested it lol.

 

[1820blue]

I'll have to find where charmy was talking about it in another thread, but they go though a deal site and you can get I think 2-3% off that way, or a refer a friend that BN has I think can get you 100$ off, maybe refer yourself from one email to another? I'll look for where she talks about it.

I found a link to what you may be talking about.

http://www.bluenile.com/email_friend.jsp

Thank you Niel and Canvas - you 2 are my current heroes!! lol... im guessing considering I havnet had a big NOOO coming from the forum this is def Worth considering! obviously will wait to get the picture and post before going any further

I'm quite the fan of that stone myself, small table, fat arrows, medium fluor, 1.2cts. Also, visually, I tend to gravitate towards stones deeper than 62. But then again, I suggested it lol.

hahahaha... yes you did.. i must admit the adrenaline did start pumping as soon as i opened that link.. especially as i am sure of the setting i want.. would you mind taking a look at the pic when i get it? could take up to 24 hours.. I have it on hold for now ... wont get too excited yet but you are def an addition to my Christmas card list

 

[Diamond2014]

1820blue,

Two weeks ago, I bought the same "Petite Solitaire Engagement Ring" that you're interest in. I also went for four prongs to let the maximum light in and light out of the diamond. Even though I thought it looks thin and small, and when I got nothing to compare to, it does looks small and thin. I wanted to maximize the center stone diamond looks. BUT the center stone diamond has some performance issue hence I did not keep the diamond.

When asked the missus if she want anything changes on the setting while I am replacing the diamond anyway, she said to change the setting.

Problem I see with the "Petite Solitaire Engagement Ring" is as follow:
- Something is with the ring that the center stone keep sliding to the middle finger or the pinky finger. The cross cut of the ring is ALL round, so you cant get it engraved. But I think the roundness at the ring cross cut is what make it slip and slide.
- The "Petite Solitaire Engagement Ring" center stone sit high, make it go out of center of gravity too


We replaced it with the "Classic Four Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring" (the one with 644 reviews on Blue Nile). When I compared the two, the "Petite Solitaire Engagement Ring" was thicket, larger, center stone is higher than the "Classic Four Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring"

We love the "Classic Four Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring" more

 

[1820blue]

1820blue,

Two weeks ago, I bought the same "Petite Solitaire Engagement Ring" that you're interest in. I also went for four prongs to let the maximum light in and light out of the diamond. Even though I thought it looks thin and small, and when I got nothing to compare to, it does looks small and thin. I wanted to maximize the center stone diamond looks. BUT the center stone diamond has some performance issue hence I did not keep the diamond.

When asked the missus if she want anything changes on the setting while I am replacing the diamond anyway, she said to change the setting.

Problem I see with the "Petite Solitaire Engagement Ring" is as follow:
- Something is with the ring that the center stone keep sliding to the middle finger or the pinky finger. The cross cut of the ring is ALL round, so you cant get it engraved. But I think the roundness at the ring cross cut is what make it slip and slide.
- The "Petite Solitaire Engagement Ring" center stone sit high, make it go out of center of gravity too


We replaced it with the "Classic Four Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring" (the one with 644 reviews on Blue Nile). When I compared the two, the "Petite Solitaire Engagement Ring" was thicket, larger, center stone is higher than the "Classic Four Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring"

We love the "Classic Four Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring" more

Diamond - Thank you so much for taking your time to share this feedback! not being able to have it engraved is not something i had thought of! I will have a look at the "classic four prong" as you mention and pass it by the powers that be (mother, sister, firends) and see what they think!! Thanks again that is much appreciated!

Christmas card list is getting longer

 

[Niel]

Definitely post a picture if they give you one. That's nice, I didn't know BN wwould even provide photos

 

[1820blue]

Definitely post a picture if they give you one. That's nice, I didn't know BN wwould even provide photos

apparently so - i asked for ideal and ASET too, but you know the answer i got for that one

the argument was that the prices are more competitive than other sites that provide that data.. not sure i agree with that but..

 

[1820blue]

Definitely post a picture if they give you one. That's nice, I didn't know BN wwould even provide photos

I must admit im slightly worried about the color.. didnt really want to go below a G .. but might be worthwhile for a bigger stone.. on a previous thread someone mentioned this might look even more yellow next to a platinum setting..

 

[Diamond2014]

"Petite Solitaire Engagement Ring" does looks nice in the pictures, and also modernist looking, but just mostly from the side. When looking from diamond top down, it looks exactly the same as the "Classic Four Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring".

In regard to diamond, I find the dept a bit high, even though it does falls into a super excellent proportion http://www.diamondreview.com/tutorials/diamonds-cut-tables

But when it's deep, the weight is shifted downward, so the diameter is smaller. It measure 6.81 x 6.80 x 4.22 mm, meaning this 1.2ct diamond is measure 6.80ish at the girdle, compare it to some other diamond thats' 1.2ct and see how if it looks big or smaller lets say 1.1ct, 1.3ct, or other 1.2ct

As far as Twinning Wisp, for me personaly, I prefer it NOT to be right in the middle of the table. When you look down at the diamond, the first thing you see if the table, and if there are inclusion, you might see it. Try to find a diamond that has inclusion toward the star facets, bezel facets, or upper girdle facets

 

[Diamond2014]

As far as Blue Nile goes. I like Blue Nile. There are variety of choices of diamonds and settings. Because other people keep looking for these Ideal Scope and Aset scope all readily available to them, that they say Blue Nile is not as good of a vendor.

There's the GIA report, look at the numbers and gamble it. You got one month to return. I made a $16,000 return with Blue Nile, the whole process takes 2 minutes EXACTLY!
After verifying information, they simply ask one question "what is your reason of return", my response "was not happy with the diamond proportion", done

Also, to get the 2.5% off, use www.ebates.com
You log into eBates, THEN you click on Blue Nile, then it will forward you to Blue Nile website, you have to make sure you complete the check out from this forwarded link. Once payment is complete, and item is delivered, Blue Nile will pay eBates, eBates will then pay you portion of it (2.5%). And do a REFER A FRIEND to get more discount. Private message me if you're interest in referring me =D!

 

[Niel]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a diamond deeper than 62%.

My diamond is 62.4. I have purchased and returned stones that weren't as deep, for me, I prefer the look of a stone that is 62%+. And honestly you will not tell a visual difference between a 61.6 and a 62.1 in size.

 

[1820blue]

"Petite Solitaire Engagement Ring" does looks nice in the pictures, and also modernist looking, but just mostly from the side. When looking from diamond top down, it looks exactly the same as the "Classic Four Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring".

In regard to diamond, I find the dept a bit high, even though it does falls into a super excellent proportion http://www.diamondreview.com/tutorials/diamonds-cut-tables

But when it's deep, the weight is shifted downward, so the diameter is smaller. It measure 6.81 x 6.80 x 4.22 mm, meaning this 1.2ct diamond is measure 6.80ish at the girdle, compare it to some other diamond thats' 1.2ct and see how if it looks big or smaller lets say 1.1ct, 1.3ct, or other 1.2ct

As far as Twinning Wisp, for me personaly, I prefer it NOT to be right in the middle of the table. When you look down at the diamond, the first thing you see if the table, and if there are inclusion, you might see it. Try to find a diamond that has inclusion toward the star facets, bezel facets, or upper girdle facets

Thanks for your input Diamond - I Have just compared to other 1.2's and its actually bigger than many of the other on there (many seem to be 6.79 x 6.78 x 4.2 etc)

from what i can see it appears to stand its ground diameter Wise... im not sure why a high depth would mean but a super excellent proportion sounds fairly good

yes the twining wisps do worry me as they are bang in the centre... although if its vs1 and BN have confirmed it is eye clean that seems acceptable to me.. my only criteria is that its eye clean

 

[Diamond2014]

Niel,

I didnt say anything is wrong with the 62.5% vs the 60.5%

The 62.5% will stretch the diamond downward, so the carat weight is laying somewhere downward where as the 60.5% is stretch in the diameter of the diamond, the 60.5% just looks bigger than the 62.5%

 

[Diamond2014]

Diamond in general is a personal preference, but when you look all over the internet in regard to ideal proportions, every site has a different ideal proportion. But 60ish dept will fall into ALL of these sites, where as the 62ish depth will fall lower. Example:

http://smartcarat.com/diamond-smarts/diamond-depth-percentage/
http://www.lumeradiamonds.com/diamond-education/round-diamonds
http://www.diamondarticles.com/diamond-proportions/
http://www.ajediam.com/diamond_cut_chart.html

Just few example, every of these website posted differently, but you see some site say 62ish fall out of their ideal range while others said it's ideal. But the 60ish always falls into ideal no matter what site

 

[1820blue]

Thanks guys! I think there are so many interpretations sometimes!! I have been scouring BN for other options amd was contemplating going down slightly in size and finding a diamond with less inclusions ... Have found this as an option what do you think ?

http://www.bluenile.com/certs/1166615168.pdf?params=cHJvZHVjdD1CTlVLJnBob25lPTA4MDArODAyKzUzMSZsaW5rPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cuYmx1ZW5pbGUuY29tJTJGY2glMkZfTEQwNTA3MDc3MyZza3U9TEQwNTA3MDc3MyZsYWI9Z2lhJmNvdW50cnk9Q0hFJmN1cnJlbmN5PUNIRiY%3D

 

[canvasback]

That's a pretty steep crown for that large of a table IMHO. This isn't my forte, but would like to see if others agree. I still like the first stone. VVS1 Is way overkill unless that is your fancy.