HCA and the depth of a round stone

[Overthinking_it]

Hello all,

I've been reading a lot on this forum and have found great advice from everyone. I was hoping to get a little advice on what would be a better stone for the value and incase I plan to trade it in later on.

I'm currently considering these two stones:

A) I - SI2 (one small inclusion visible with the naked eye on the crown, otherwise clean)
Med Blue Fluorescence (no milkyness or hazing)
GIA: EX - VG - VG

Depth: 62.5%
Table: 55%
Crown Angle: 35.0°
Pavillion Angle: 40.8­°
HCA Rating: 1.6


B) J - VS2
Strong Blue Fluorescence (no milkyness or hazing)
GIA: VG - EX - EX

Depth: 63.2%
Table: 57%
Crown Angle: 35.5°
Pavillion Angle: 40.6­°
HCA Rating: 1.6

Both stones are in the 2.5-3ct range only within 0.01ct apart in weight, are pretty close in diameter and essentially the same price.
my concern with stone "B" is whether or not it's deeper than ideal. I have seen stone "A" in person and Stone "B" is on BN and would need to be called in.

Is there anything I am not considering when looking at these two stones?

Any guidence is appreciated.

 

[kenny]

Diamonds are almost always a horrible investment.
You and I have to pay retail price, but will almost always sell at wholesale prices.
Nobody knows what direction prices will go in the future.

One thing that will reduce the desirability of both stones to many future customers is fluorescence.

Fluorescence does not bother many educated buyers ... but few buyers are educated.

 

[Overthinking_it]

I understand that it reduces the value of the stone, but that's also why I am able to purchase 0.30cts larger because of the fluoresence...

with that being said, is it best to go smaller and not have any fluoresemce?

The only time it may impact us, is in a club like setting or haunted house with black lights and upon resale. No one else will really know... right?

 

[TC1987]

My thought is kind of "Neither of the above." An eye-visible inclusion is a turnoff to many, many people. Stick around Pricescope for longer than 2 hours and you soon pick up on the number of people who want it to be eyeclean. If you have a visible inclusion, you have a more limited market, imo.

The other stone, is big plus is a J color. For every one person who wants a big J color diamond, there will be several who say that "J is too tinted for an engagement ring." Unless you have seen a J in that size range, I advise skip that one or at least be prepared to return it. The I color range is relatively narrow, and I seem to recall old PS discussions back in 2004-2005 that experts said I is the narrowest color range. There is not much difference between high I and low I. But J is a broader range, so a J can be almost an I or almost a K, and those are not what I call white in that size range. My .8 J is not white from the side by any stretch of anyone's imagination. It looks best in yellow gold or possible rose gold. It ain't the stone to put in platinum if you want it to pass for near colorless.

What would you set the J stone in? Most settings have whiter sidestones and you'll notice a contrast. Colorless baguettes in platinum and a J/K center is not a look I recommend. I have an estate diamond ring about 2ct center that is exactly that and someday I am going to reset that stone.

 

[msop04]

My thought is kind of "Neither of the above." An eye-visible inclusion is a turnoff to many, many people. Stick around Pricescope for longer than 2 hours and you soon pick up on the number of people who want it to be eyeclean. If you have a visible inclusion, you have a more limited market, imo.

The other stone, is big plus is a J color. For every one person who wants a big J color diamond, there will be several who say that "J is too tinted for an engagement ring." Unless you have seen a J in that size range, I advise skip that one or at least be prepared to return it. The I color range is relatively narrow, and I seem to recall old PS discussions back in 2004-2005 that experts said I is the narrowest color range. There is not much difference between high I and low I. But J is a broader range, so a J can be almost an I or almost a K, and those are not what I call white in that size range. My .8 J is not white from the side by any stretch of anyone's imagination. It looks best in yellow gold or possible rose gold. It ain't the stone to put in platinum if you want it to pass for near colorless.

What would you set the J stone in? Most settings have whiter sidestones and you'll notice a contrast. Colorless baguettes in platinum and a J/K center is not a look I recommend. I have an estate diamond ring about 2ct center that is exactly that and someday I am going to reset that stone.

I think the OP needs to see the J before writing it off... and I agree that the type of setting will also affect how much tint will be perceived. I would not recommend a J for a setting in which the sides will be exposed (like in a solitaire). I think a J is fine with sidestones if they are small (think melee...). My center stone isn't quite as large as the OP is looking into, but it's close at 2.43 ct. It's a J, SI1 XXX (no fluorescence -- though I wish it did!!!) and is set lower in a halo. The pave in the halo are G/H color and look great with the J - no difference other than they are brighter (which all pave will look brighter than the center, even if it's a D color)... The only time I notice tint is from the side in bad lighting situations like this:


And the rest of the time, it looks like this:


The only way to know if you can tolerate a color is to see it with your/her own eyes...
Hope this helps!

 

[Overthinking_it]

What would you set the J stone in? Most settings have whiter sidestones and you'll notice a contrast. Colorless baguettes in platinum and a J/K center is not a look I recommend. I have an estate diamond ring about 2ct center that is exactly that and someday I am going to reset that stone.

I am planning on setting it in a 6 prong solitare in platinum...

So it sounds like I should potentially shy away from "J" then?

Is an "I" color sufficient color for a solitare? H's seem to be out of the price range for the size and clarity I would ideally prefer in my budget.


Thanks again for all of your feedback...!

 

[TC1987]

There's a J color in platinum thread link someplace in this: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/smtr-helpful-threads-archive.131796/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/smtr-helpful-threads-archive.131796/[/URL]

J in a solitaire is okay if the color doesn't bother you/her. That J in halo setting looks okay, too. The color difference there is less obvious than it is with my baguette setting ,where the bags are very white and the center is tinted, and it's a stark contrast.