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I didn’t know all of these. Lol the need to categorize.

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Love the *if still alive today. :)
 
Matata said:
Thanks @missy. Entertaining read: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/generation-alpha-after-gen-z_l_5d420ef4e4b0aca341181574
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Interesting read. Thanks.
I liked this “Already Generation Z-ers [in the U.S.] are minority white. But I think as we get into this new generation, this will be something that in a way defines them in terms of their ability to accept people of different backgrounds, and the idea of racial division may not exist to them to the extent that it exists in our country now,” he said.”
 
Bayek said:
I could easily say SandyinA you don't help the perception of younger people being smug, and self absorbed.
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I'll take the compliment of being younger, even though it is false. Frighteningly, I'm closer in age to you than millennials.... [insert emoji committing hari-kari]

As for self-absorbed? Yeah, that's why I posted in disbelief about one generation hating another generation, of which I am neither, because it's ALL about me.

If by smug you mean that I am satisfied with my accomplishments? You're damn right I am. I'm darned lucky not to have become a teenage statistic or ended up a drug addict or prostitute. If you don't like reading what I write, put me on ignore or skip right over it. It's not like I've subjected everyone to 40 inane repetitive anecdotes on this thread alone, like you have.
 
I'm Millennial.

Hubby and I ate $1 cakes at cheap Asian bakeries when we were in University to save for our first home which was a dump.

We took out a massive loan but as time goes by you do pay it off.

After more than a decade we decided to treat ourselves to an upgrade.

I think every generation does it tough in their own way. I see this as a Millennial observing my son's generation. I have the "back in my day" moment occasionally but I can see the price they pay for the advantages they do get.

On the surface they appear to have everything; involved parents, lots of extra curricular activities, parents who never raise their voices. However the way they are raised also presents it's own struggles.

Overly involved parents, over diagnosed for everything, pressure to meet all sorts of milestones and excel at everything. It's rough in its own way. And they'll need to deal with it just like we dealt with our challenges.

No one should be wanting anyone dead. Life is tough in general, we just have to keep moving forward until something wipes all of us out at the same time one day.
 
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cmd2014 said:
Yeah, I don't think CPP and OAS pays for anyone to sit around in an investment property here either.

Millennials should also consider that they did not have to live through 15 - 30% interest on mortgages either the way the boomer generation did. And while housing prices are relatively higher, interest rates have stayed incredibly low during the vast majority of time most millennials have been buying homes. And cars, and traveling.

Plus, as a Gen X, I've been royally screwed my fair share too. I just don't complain about it. I had huge amounts of student loan debt (as did most of us because our generation's parents weren't really inclined to help out since they got great jobs with just a high school education so why couldn't we?). I lived below the poverty line for over a decade while working my way through school in crappy 1 bedroom basement apartments shared by 3 - 4 people (again, parents not super willing to help us Gen Xers out), hoping not to be axe murdered because of the parts of town these places were in. I had to wait for someone to literally die to get my first professional job (as there were none at the time that I was graduating). I was also getting into the housing market right around the time that housing prices boomed, and I bid on 30+ houses before I finally agreed to build a house on spec and wait a year for it to be ready to move into because I kept getting out bid on every pre-built house I tried to buy. I bid waaaaaaaaaay above asking even on POS houses. Plus, to be competitive, you had to make offers with no home inspection clause and no clause regarding financing just to try to get into the market. In amounts that I KNEW I would barely be able to afford the minimum monthly payments on and still eat at the same time (let alone go to a restaurant or travel in the way people are complaining about being lectured for now). It was crazy! All the while being lectured by boomer parents about why you're not in the market and why your job doesn't have a pension (because ours is the first generation to be screwed in that way too), and why you don't have great benefits or vacation time. But us latch key kids don't complain much so this is never bandied about on the internet. Not to mention the fact that we lived through the investment bubbles of the recessions in the 1990's, the dot.com bust of the early 2000's, the 2007/2008 financial crisis, and what's happening now. So none of our generations savings will ever double in value at the speed that other generations savings did. Plus, we didn't have parents willing to help out or let us live at home or even care if we got kidnapped before dinner time (and even then, who knows). So if ANYONE is being shafted, it's us Gen Xers.
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This!!! Omg. Lmao about being kidnapped. I used to walk home from work at midnight. I’m alive by some miracle bc parents used to let us run rampant at all hours of the day and all over town at the age of 7 bc I was with my older sis who was 9!
 
I'm generation X too! I remember at the age of 10 pretty much running my own life. Ironed my own clothes, cooked my own dinner, went galavanting all over Hartford CT. My father had no idea where I was half the time, as long as I was in bed at the end of the day that's all he cared.
 
Gen-X here too. I did almost all of the family’s grocery shopping by age 8, walking to the grocery store alone. I remember an old lady yelling at me for checking the egg cartons for cracked ones and swapping them out because I was “robbing” other people of eggs. WTF?! I’m 8 lady.

I used to buy almost all my mother’s cigarettes too, with a note of course.

This is classic 1970’s Sesame Street. I highly doubt they air this segment now, but maybe I’m wrong. Do any parents send their kids to the store alone anymore? (Clearly I don‘t have kids):

 
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@SallyB, I remember that segment!
 
Ok, we can make this fun, and funny, IF you appreciate dark humor. I was just chatting with my 17 year old son today (genZ), who is starting college (kinda, school says they will start but haven't figured out how) in the fall. So we talked about the challenges that he faced, just these past 4 years in highschool. No second semester senior year, the fun half. No graduation. No prom. (Ok, all of that is arguable as "good" or "bad". LOL! Forgive me. The cynic in me is showing.) So he has had to deal with A LOT of pressure to get into a good college. Paying Job, volunteering, 4.0 minimum, extracurricular, sports, community service... Just from my experience, when I started college in the late 80s, I didn't need to build up a "resume" to get into a top 25 university. Nuff said. These 4 years were very challenging, and he truly did not get to be a kid much. And there are these lovely things called "school shootings" which makes a parent wonder, is it worth it to send your child to school on ANY GIVEN DAY? I've honestly debated this. Student debt when he gets out. More competitive job market (due to globalization of workforce), CA being almost unaffordable unless you really score with a company going public, and as a kicker, TRUMP. So that's from his lens. And if you've only lived 17 years, it's a lot. Ooops, and talking to my 14 year old daughter, she is actually stressed about climate change and the environment. She takes it all VERY personally. She doesn't want to buy new clothes because she does not want to encourage the production of more "stuff" on the earth. Plastic anything is to be avoided. She thinks of stuff that would never occur to me. She is vigilant. Heck, being around her can stress me out, let alone actually being her.
So I asked him, would he trade that for serial killers (cause they were so en vogue in the 70s and 80s), school bullying (I'll argue there was way more then.) that quite socially acceptable, and expected even. You survived by staying out of the crosshairs of certain people. Sexual abuse, which probably hasn't changed much but you SURE as heck never heard people TALK about it. Pressure to join in the "sex, drugs and rock and roll". I know plenty of girls that got preggers in highschool, and really that barely raised an eyebrow back then. And my personal favorite, sexual harassment in workplace. Actually take that out. That still happens.

So who wins? LOL!!! I actually think he does. TRUMP gave him the edge. :lol:

So who will trade me a bunch of serial killers and missing children on milk cartons for school shootings?

Please don't be offended. With more consideration, each generation has had its challenges, and we can learn, understand and appreciate each other more if we all had more empathy and compassion.
 
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The statement below is the crux of this. There is zero point in either milenials or boomers being upset with each other. I can not understand the arguing in this thread. Both the younger and the older generation is suffering alike from different issues but both stemming from a lack of good social support systems providing health care and education at affordable rates (so no one feels one health crisis or tuition fee payment away from declaring bankrupcy), progressive tax systems that tax the rich more than the poor, and good public infrastructure which should have kicked in during this crisis -- with things like early widely available robust testing and contact tracing to prevent spread in the community. The anger here is misdirected.

Unfortunately this is part of a bigger problem. This is a lovely tedx talk from a decade ago about how you (as a population) die younger due to wealth inequality in your country. I note that from what I read about changes to the tax code etc, and how the richest americans have seen a 20% increase in their fortunes during the covid crisis that probably the issues are more severe now than they were when this was made -- if you watch the video you will see that already a decade ago this had likely severely adversely impacted things like life expectancy in the US.

The trouble is not that covid is eliminating many people before their time-- it is that you are all collectively dieing much younger as a group than you should be (from many different health issues including covid). The excellent question is why?


alittlelight said:
I am sorry complacent older people have been lecturing some of the younger people on this thread. All I can say is, get angry at the right targets and when it matters. Get educated. Vote. Perhaps you already do. Get mad at corporate greed, which is the target here.

I do believe that student debt is an albatross that is hampering our entire nation, and it is appalling that this was allowed to happen by banks and universities. I think the housing markets on the coast are absolutely ridiculous, and I would be out of there in a hot minute, though of course that is not where my life and family are.

Not every “Boomer” (god, I hate that word just as much as I hate “millennial” and all that crap) is well off. Many have no retirement whatsoever. They are one health crisis away from disaster just like younger people. It’s the policies of this country. Let’s change them.
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SandyinAnaheim, post: 4758448, member: 75449"]

I'll take the compliment of being younger, even though it is false. Frighteningly, I'm closer in age to you than millennials.... [insert emoji committing hari-kari]

As for self-absorbed? Yeah, that's why I posted in disbelief about one generation hating another generation, of which I am neither, because it's ALL about me.

If by smug you mean that I am satisfied with my accomplishments? You're damn right I am. I'm darned lucky not to have become a teenage statistic or ended up a drug addict or prostitute. If you don't like reading what I write, put me on ignore or skip right over it. It's not like I've subjected everyone to 40 inane repetitive anecdotes on this thread alone, like you have.


EXACTLY the same as me, I could have been an addict easily, in prison, dead who the heck knows. I'll consider putting you on ignore and back atcha for you to me. Who knows, inane repetitive anecdotes are in the eyes and ears of the beholder so don't give yourself too much credit for not being inane and banal.. I am tremendously proud of all I've accomplished by myself, on my own and my life.

So btw, one generation hating another? I sincerely have to laugh at that one. Theatrics?? calling the theater department!

Shoe fit wear.

Oh and I'm sorry you're frightened at getting older, you too will become wiser, it just takes knowledge..
 
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Gen X too. In 2nd grade, I walked home from school just a few blocks and stayed by myself until my mom got home. She was a teacher so I was only by myself for a few hours. I actually liked it. I also remember my parents taking us to California for a Disneyland vacation. OMG, they dropped us off at McDonald's one night and went to a nice dinner!!! :-o I think I was about 10 and my sister was 8 and we are from a small town in Texas so not at all street smart! I'm not sure I would let my 16 yo do that today! My parents were fabulous and I am very close to them. It's just how it was. I definitely think it taught us to be independent so there are a few pros to it.
 
Are you in LA or SF? my son is considering buying a condo in South Bronx for 500K, now that still a lot of money, my other son bought a 2600Sq Ft home in Cedar Park Texas for 295K...so I am unfamiliar really with places that have started homes at one million, my bestie's daughter lives in Santa Barbara and one bedroom condos start at a million there (that's why my friend is staying in Austin)..

Younger people I know who make what I consider decent money make anywhere from 90K to 150K a year as starter salaries in Austin and Manhattan.. I'm really curious on where people who make 80K a year afford to live where you do... crazy times.


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Lol I have to admit I haven't read the above -- and am procrastinating so sorry if this comes off a bit tong and cheek. But a 2 bedroom apartment far from the city here of about 1100 sq foot will set me back ~1.5 million dollars. In addition I will only get to own it for 99 years from the point of beginning of construction before it is repossessed by the government -- so probably I will get to own it for 85 years or so from the time when I buy it. Afterwards it will revert to the government. The government will charge me more than 117 k in taxes (in addition to the 1.5 million sticker price plus normal property buying fees) to buy this 2 bedder apartment for ~85 years.

These ~1.5 million dollar small 2 bedders are cheap apartments which are not in the city.

It is much more expensive in the city -- many districts have 4 million to 8 + million as their standard prices for apartments. In many districts a house on land which you can keep longer than 99 years, will cost you in excess of 20 million.

Who is buying these 1.5 million- 20 million dollar run of the mill apartments/houses? People from Hong Kong who think it is cheap -- because property prices there are even more extreme. It is not the people my age from Hong Kong (they are all protesting as it has become too expensive to buy a first home which was what made hong kong so volatile last year) generally it is the older generation who bought property in hong kong when it was more affordable. And made most of their wealth off buying and selling property through the massive inflation in prices.

Is the maid expensive? why do you need a maid? do you have daycare.. I will be honest I know no one in Hong Kong, I know nothing about costs there. Yes you are right birthrates are falling and everywhere.. I was thrilled when I became a grandmother.. Emigrate to the USA.. if you are a PhD science holder you would be welcomed here!

Are you incomes only 200K a year? I mean I don't see how anyone could ever buy something where you are unless they were making 500K a year! I am sorry it's crazy! America would open the door (after covid of course)

I am in a stem field, I have a phd. Statistically speaking we are apparently top 1 % for income as a household. We have saved a lot, and had the benefit of families who saved their wealth to give us. Crazily we will some how afford a starter home that will need to be > 2 million dollars (+ ~200 k taxes) as we can't fit in a 2 bedder any more with children and a maid to care for and house. (before you ask I have to keep the maid. Workhours are so long here that we can't come home before 7 pm (indeed this is considered early here!) and there are no family members within 1000s of km of me so someone has to stay with us to care for my daughter. I could have chosen to never have a child -- most people I know who are my age have made this choice. Lol there are long running adverts about trying to get people to shack up and have a child -- including some super corny stuff like making love being patriotic -- plus large payouts for the birth of a child. But it doesnt work birthrate are falling off a cliff and it is no surprise why.). The question now is whether I should buy one even, if these prices are sustainable or not? I guess also is my career secure enough to take on the mortgage this will require? They're so high that I am almost the only one in my generation I know who can afford them.

There was a very famous quote from Lee Kuan Yew about how important home ownership is. He noticed that the people who owned homes did not loot riot and trash their surroundings. He said that the way to social stability was to ensure everyone could afford a home. Essentially implying this issue impacted all socio economic levels irrespective of how rich they were -- similar to several other statistics that show the rich and poor alike die much younger under certain social circumstances (think circumstances like high wealth inequality). Luckily here there is still government housing for citizens as a result of this insight. It does indeed seem to improve social stability.
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@LLJsmom your comment about your daughter reminds me of my 7yo.

Now I don't think he's overly stressed about it but this is a kid who won't take a little packet of crisps to school (too much packaging) and will insist I put his lunch into oddball recycled containers so that he doesn't need to buy a lunchbox. He carries his carrot sticks around in recycled washed spice jars. Has stoically used the same ratty school bag since he started kindy even though I'd love to buy him a new one.

He sweats it out in 38 degrees Celsius weather because he doesn't want the polar bears to die early if he turns on the air conditioning (ok I had no air-conditioning in my day so that's the same).

It's hard being a little person these days!
 
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See here you are ignoring what I said in the quoted post and insulting millennials again...
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So where was the insult.. You said: I'm glad you code for fun when I explicitly said I was a programmer and my husband and kids where.. so that's hardly for fun! so I corrected your thoughts.. programming for me was hard. Your comment on 'for fun' sounded either like you didn't read what I said or snarky..

I did not insult millenials in that post. My kids are millenials..


My post:

Only my hubster codes for fun.. I don't code anymore since I'm retired.. but my kids, that is their careers and they do it for a salary, one has a BS in comp sci minor math, other has BBA in CIS.

Like I said, for my parents a VCR was outer limits, PCs? lol.

My friends (boomers) all have never had a problem ordering online, instacart, foodler, etc. So I don't know what neck of the woods you live in, but here and in my whole life and career technology was a way of life.

Older people have been taking out their frustrations on staff, as I said, since homids evolved.

My mother was such a haughty bit-- in restaurants, haughty people have low self esteem imho..

Covid makes EVERYONE edgy. Hopefully the millenials can learn and do better than boomers but I doubt it since as I said, every gen b4 complains about the 'oldsters' I was the ME generation, millenials are the gen that won't grow up..times change people dont.


 
Bayek said:
So where was the insult.. You said: I'm glad you code for fun when I explicitly said I was a programmer and my husband and kids where.. so that's hardly for fun! so I corrected your thoughts.. programming for me was hard. Your comment on 'for fun' sounded either like you didn't read what I said or snarky..

I did not insult millenials in that post. My kids are millenials..


My post:

Only my hubster codes for fun.. I don't code anymore since I'm retired.. but my kids, that is their careers and they do it for a salary, one has a BS in comp sci minor math, other has BBA in CIS.

Like I said, for my parents a VCR was outer limits, PCs? lol.

My friends (boomers) all have never had a problem ordering online, instacart, foodler, etc. So I don't know what neck of the woods you live in, but here and in my whole life and career technology was a way of life.

Older people have been taking out their frustrations on staff, as I said, since homids evolved.

My mother was such a haughty bit-- in restaurants, haughty people have low self esteem imho..

Covid makes EVERYONE edgy. Hopefully the millenials can learn and do better than boomers but I doubt it since as I said, every gen b4 complains about the 'oldsters' I was the ME generation, millenials are the gen that won't grow up..times change people dont.


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“Millennials are the gen that won’t grow up” is an insult. Maybe the status quo has changed and what boomers view as “growing up” doesn’t apply anymore.
 
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@LLJsmom your comment about your daughter reminds me of my 7yo.

Now I don't think he's overly stressed about it but this is a kid who won't take a little packet of crisps to school (too much packaging) and will insist I put his lunch into oddball recycled containers so that he doesn't need to buy a lunchbox. He carries his carrot sticks around in recycled washed spice jars. Has stoically used the same ratty school bag since he started kindy even though I'd love to buy him a new one.

He sweats it out in 38 degrees Celsius weather because he doesn't want the polar bears to die early if he turns on the air conditioning (ok I had no air-conditioning in my day so that's the same).

It's hard being a little person these days!
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Wow. Your little one is impressive, but yeah, sorry to say, stressed. Yeah, my daughter gets mad when we get a paper or plastic bag from the grocers. With covid, we are not allowed to bring in our own bags. She expects us to juggle everything to the car. Some of these kids take the environmental concerns extremely personally and feel it is their duty to bear the responsibility. This generation does give me hope in this respect. If anyone can turn it around, it's them.:clap:
 
I was flippant earlier in the thread and I regret it. This millenial is waving the white flag of surrender!

No, but seriously, thank you for an interesting discussion. Before I step off the lawn, Qubitasaurus, thank you for your interesting link. Sallyb, your observations are very astute and reminded me that structural inequality is the real issue. Gen Xers, I agree you had it rough! And you continue to be forgotten. But you had...Heathers? Boomers, I think I'd pass out in rage if I had to deal with some of the sexism your generation faced for decades. Bayek, I feel like you would be fun to chat with in person. If it has to be said, I do think Boomer Remover is a horrid phrase. KarlK and SandyinAnaheim, I don't want anyone to die. I promise you I haven't heard anyone say so irl. The truth is, I adore the boomers in my own life, and I was just tired of mean boomers yelling at me.
 
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All the while being lectured by boomer parents about why you're not in the market and why your job doesn't have a pension (because ours is the first generation to be screwed in that way too), and why you don't have great benefits or vacation time.
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Seems like lecturing boomers are the common denominator.
 
Bayek said:
EXACTLY the same as me, I could have been an addict easily, in prison, dead who the heck knows....
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Really? EXACTLY the same? Is that ANOTHER one of your stories, that you were on your own at the age of 15 and living in a parked car for 6 months??? REALLY?

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....So btw, one generation hating another? I sincerely have to laugh at that one. Theatrics?? calling the theater department!
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.....ummm, the whole premise of this thread is that there is one sector of the populace that wouldn't mind if all the "boomers" were gone, permanently.

Bayek said:
Shoe fit wear. Oh and I'm sorry you're frightened at getting older, you too will become wiser, it just takes knowledge..
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This is just nonsense....
 
Gussie said:
Gen X too. In 2nd grade, I walked home from school just a few blocks and stayed by myself until my mom got home. She was a teacher so I was only by myself for a few hours. I actually liked it. I also remember my parents taking us to California for a Disneyland vacation. OMG, they dropped us off at McDonald's one night and went to a nice dinner!!! :-o I think I was about 10 and my sister was 8 and we are from a small town in Texas so not at all street smart! I'm not sure I would let my 16 yo do that today! My parents were fabulous and I am very close to them. It's just how it was. I definitely think it taught us to be independent so there are a few pros to it.
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I had annual passes for Disneyland from 12+, back then it was only $99/year. Someone's mom would drop us off before work at that McDonalds across the street, where we'd hang out until the park opened. Then hang out at Disneyland all day until closing... which was after midnight! Then another person's mom would pick up the kids. Maybe 3-4 of us max. Good times lol. There's no way in hell i'd let a 16 year old do that now!
 
Yeah? why's that? LOL, I hear "hey it's okay if Ima smart ass, but you older person, let's put YOU down" maybe YOU cannot get wisdom, maybe you think you are right all the time, tough you aren't, shoe fit wear.. seriously, certainly youth hasn't shown much wisdom in this thread.

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I think this is all of the evidence we need to prove that age does not equal wisdom :roll:
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@SandyinAnaheim said:

Really? EXACTLY the same? Is that ANOTHER one of your stories, that you were on your own at the age of 15 and living in a parked car for 6 months??? REALLY?

Nope I was in a violent home, drug addicted mother, drunk father, violence, abuse, neglect, guns, I left home at 17 but I had 2 little brothers that were 4 and 5 years younger than me that I had to take care of and returned as much as I could.. One bro is insane the other died of lung cancer at 58. I was diagnosed 2x with PTSD, I worked since I was 15, my mother tried to kill me at 13, my brother tried to kill my mother when he was 31, my sister was in a mental institution twice, mugged, destroyed emotionally.. I had loads and tons of fun and continual violence so you aren't the only one who had it bad. That is the problem with people they think their the ONLY ones who've struggled and made it.. Both my brothers are convicted felons for drugs, both had just a felony on driving drunk, one bro had drunk driving convictions in 6 states, sobriety ha!... I never had a car till I was 24. When my grandmother died when I was 13, my life ended, no where to go no one cared, not one person.. Ima sure many people have survived mental, physical abuse, but scaring is there.. I've had therapy on and off for years, I take no crap from anyone because I was on my own basically at 13. Sex? there's a story I'll never share again here.. sheesh. So maybe you were living in a car but I was living in hell and taking care of my brothers because my older sister was too delicate and cowered by my parents afraid of dying I guess.. but I wasn't. Life sucks, then ya die. You are not unique, I'm not afraid of a bully. My brothers and sister did not make it emotionally, they were devoid, empty. Sad.


.....ummm, the whole premise of this thread is that there is one sector of the populace that wouldn't mind if all the "boomers" were gone, permanently.

Seriously? I didn't know that.. thanks so much. smh.


This is just nonsense....

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cmd2014 said:
Yes, teachers would call social services now for what was "normal parenting" for us Gen X'ers.
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This is so true. My summer daycare teachers all knew about the beatings, but it wasn't a crime back then, unless they killed you. My mother always told me that if I ever told anyone, she would kill me and be happy to go to prison over it. Things have really changed in that regard...
 
When your sick everyone thinks they have the right to lecture you. From boomers to gen z and that was just in the last week.
Who should i blame?
 
Karl_K said:
When your sick everyone thinks they have the right to lecture you. From boomers to gen z and that was just in the last week.
Who should i blame?
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Don't know - ok..... let's take over several blocks in a city and make our demands!!!!! Personally, I like the boomers, GenX and every other generation - I respect everyone and feel that you can't put a broad stroke on each. I learn from the youngsters that work under me and know so much about technology and all of the other valuable knowledge that they bring to the table. I'm a boomer but not an "old fart" boomer - opened minded.
 
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