flawless, size or color .. i am so addicted.

[maxxuan]

I started to find a diamond ring for my wife. But now,I am so addicted to these stones.

I found a loose diamond :

Carat weight: 0.36 Cut: Ideal

Color: F Clarity: FL

Depth %: 61.3% Table %: 57%

Symmetry: Excellent Polish: Excellent

Girdle: Thin to medium Culet: None

Fluorescence: None Measurements: 4.58 x 4.62 x 2.82 mm


My question:
1. Which is rarer? D color, or flawless?, it is very hard to find a FL in GIA report.But how important?
Example : D color vvs1, e color IF, and F color, FL , which is more expensive?

2. I noticed that diamond with medium or strong Fluorescence has lower value. But how big the influence it will be?

3. If I want to do some investment on diamonds, what carat range should I focus on?

4. One of my friend got a diamond with HRD certificate:

shape: brilliant weight: 0.84

clarity grade: vvs1 Fluorescence: medium

Color: white(H)

measurements: 6.01-6.06mm x3.75

proportions: very good

girdle : medium 3.5% faceted
culet : 0.8 natural
table: 57%
cr.height: 15.5%
pav depth: 43.5%

finish grade : good

She paid for $ 3456.8

good deal?

It is hard to compare to GIA report because the clarity grade is different

What is loupe-clean , compare to FL, or IF.


Any comments.

Thanks~~

 

[Cehrabehra]

what are you going to do with the diamond? if she''s gonna wear it get an F VS2 and up the size a bunch.... you get it from the right place you can always trade it up for an invest ment quality D FL that you probably wouldn''t want to wear lol

 

[belle]

diamonds are not good investments

 

[maxxuan]

That''s for a late pushing gift.

It''s around 1,000, so I am pretty sure she''s going to wear it.

 

[StarSpun]

Date: 11/3/2006 11:49:37 AM
Author:maxxuan

My question:

1. Which is rarer? D color, or flawless?, it is very hard to find a FL in GIA report.But how important?

Example : D color vvs1, e color IF, and F color, FL , which is more expensive?



2. I noticed that diamond with medium or strong Fluorescence has lower value. But how big the influence it will be?


3. If I want to do some investment on diamonds, what carat range should I focus on?


What is loupe-clean , compare to FL, or IF.



Any comments.


Thanks~~

Heya, I''m a newbie to all of this but have done about a years of research in a couple of weeks! (It''s called hyperfocused OBSESSION! LOL!)
Here are my two cents:

1. I''m not sure which is more rare. All I know is that it''s hard to find a D/FL or IF with a good cut. Not IMPOSSIBLE, because I found one....haha!
I have a thing for D/IFs. There aren''t really any FL around, mostly IF. Honestly, it''s almost the same thing if the dimond has an Excellent or Ideal polish (don''t quote me on this, but I think this is the case!). In my experience it may be a bit harder to find an IF then a D color, but all in all it seemed pretty close....


2. Fluorescence seems to be an iffy topic for a lot of people. There are some who don''t like it, but a LOT of people who do it seems. Mostly, it''s just something that is misunderstood. Blue fluorescene is the most popular, and I''d stick to that. A yellow fl may make a stone look less white. A blue fl in a stone colored I, J, K, etc will make the stone look way whiter....it counteracts the yellow. There was a term called ''blue-white'' which is no longer used and it was the term that described a stone in the D-E-F range with a blue fluorescence. These were highly sought after, a while back. However, in 2%-3% of these stones, the fl can cause a cloudy, oily and milky appearence. It''s very rare, but these days it makes people very nervous to buy one of these stones. This is why you can get the higher colors at a decreased price. There was a study done by the GIA on fl, and it''s findings showed that people prefered the look of the fl(blue) in a diamond (even in the more white colors)! It''s a personal preference and if you do a search on the forum on fluorscence, you''ll find a good amount of reading.

Just to let you know, I am about to purchase a stone that is .55, D/IF, with a strong blue fluorescence!
If you want too see some cool ''glow in the dark UV'' pics of another members fl stone, scroll down to the bottom of the following post:

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/we-finally-found-our-perfect-stone.52800/


3. Like the post said above....diamonds are not really a good investment. However, I''m wondering now if blue fl makes a stone cheaper and it happens to come back ''in'', will they will be more expensive in a D/IF in the future? LOL!

Loupe clean, I''d imagine, is a stone thats inclusions are hard to see or cannot be seen in 10x magnification. So a couple steps below FL or IF. If I''m wrong, someone correct me!

All in all. get a diamond that speaks to you....and if D/IF is your thing, power to ya. I have a thing for D/IFs....and a lot of people say it''s a waste of money! Just goes to show that everyones priorities and tastes are different....


Good luck!

 

[jaz464]

A blue fl in a stone colored I, J, K, etc will make the stone look way whiter....

I just wanted to say that this is a bit of an exaggeration. A little whiter yes, but don''t get a K diamond with blue flouro and expect it to look "way whiter" than a plain old K.

 

[decodelighted]

It may sound good ...but FL in a diamond you plan to set & wear ... will probably be a waste of money ... because you PAY for FL ... but you''ll quickly damage it so that it will now rate an IF.

Diamonds are terrible investments IMO ... if you believe the rumors, they aren''t even that rare & DeBeers & other companies just control the market for them by "releasing stones" to the market little by little.

Why take the risk from an INVESTMENT standpoint? Buy for beauty .. buy for enjoyment ... IMO.

 

[StarSpun]

Date: 11/3/2006 12:48:35 PM
Author: jazmine

A blue fl in a stone colored I, J, K, etc will make the stone look way whiter....

I just wanted to say that this is a bit of an exaggeration. A little whiter yes, but don''t get a K diamond with blue flouro and expect it to look ''way whiter'' than a plain old K.

Ya, I didn''t mean that. Sometimes I get excited and exaggerate I was just going to go back and correct that Not way whiter, just whiter I guess depending on a couple of factors. There that''s better

 

[swingirl]

Date: 11/3/2006 12:49:22 PM
Author: decodelighted
It may sound good ...but FL in a diamond you plan to set & wear ... will probably be a waste of money ... because you PAY for FL ... but you''ll quickly damage it so that it will now rate an IF.


Diamonds are terrible investments IMO ... if you believe the rumors, they aren''t even that rare & DeBeers & other companies just control the market for them by ''releasing stones'' to the market little by little.


Why take the risk from an INVESTMENT standpoint? Buy for beauty .. buy for enjoyment ... IMO.

Quickly damage the diamond???? huh?

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 11/3/2006 12:26:56 PM
Author: maxxuan

That''s for a late pushing gift.

It''s around 1,000, so I am pretty sure she''s going to wear it.

a pushing gift huh? I think I might be able to squeeze another diamond out of my husband someday... hmm.... maybe a D strong blue flour round that''s about 1/2 carat... just for additional kicks!! hehehehe

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 11/3/2006 1:12:47 PM
Author: swingirl

Date: 11/3/2006 12:49:22 PM
Author: decodelighted
you''ll quickly damage it so that it will now rate an IF.

Quickly damage the diamond???? huh?

FL is about the OUTSIDE of the diamond. The polish. All over. Even SETTING an FL diamond can "damage" it enough to be considered an IF.

It''s like wearing a white coat around NYC & expecting it will stay 100% pure white ALL OVER.

Diamonds are hard but they do get knicked or scratched or dinged in microscopic ways over time (or during setting). IF is lasting. INTERNAL ... not so subjected to outside influences. FL is just a temporary state awaiting it''s eventual demotion ... IMHO.

 

[FireGoddess]

A few ramblings of personal opinion...

1. Don''t buy a diamond as an investment. Unless we''re talking some rare fancy pink for $1,000,000 or something. They''re not good investments.

2. Unless you particularly want a D, FL diamond for your own mind''s sake, I don''t like to pay for things I can''t see. I would rather have a D SI1 than an H FL. Just my thing. Color....you can see (some people more than others). Inclusions...till you get to the SI range, generally can''t see ''em.

 

[JulieN]

As everyone said, don't buy FL. It will soon be an IF. VVS is fine if you want loupe-clean.

 

[Beacon]

I second the concept of *not* buying a FL.

I believe FL is mostly only of use to people who hope to use the diamond as an investment and keep it locked in safety deposit box. Not good for daily use jewelery. It will get *flawed* somehow, even if it takes a 10 power microscope to find that flaw. It is irrelevent for the user as it is invisible, but to the value of the stone it is a detriment.

Everyone has their own ideas, but FL, IF, they are not that important to me. If you go to VVS1, VVS2, you cannot see anything in those stones. Nada. Only big time gemologist with a microscope can find the inclusion.

Even VS1 - very challenging to find the flaw. I have one and I am well practiced with the loupe - even with the GIA drawing I can really not see it.

If you are deciding between levels of perfection, then I would take a D, VS1 over an F, FL. At least you might be able to see the D color - you''ll never be able to see the difference in clarity.