Female Mccain''s VP pick

[Anna0499]

Haha thanks HollyS, LAJennifer, & luckystar! I like that you guys speak your mind even though we are fighting against the status quo around here.

I tried to move on after it was apparent nothing was getting through on either side...I guess I'm destined to fight a losing battle 'til these threads are taken down!

I'm glad to see there are *some* PSers who agree with *some* of my viewpoints and get that everything I post isn't meant to be some huge insult or slam against any PSer, candidate, dog, cat, mouse, or otherwise.

ETA: I feel like I always need to include this extra "ETA" but I wasn't trying to be nasty to anyone out there in PSland with this post so no retaliation is necessary.

 

[FrekeChild]

Regardless of PS's take on the election, this really is Obama's race to lose. VP doesn't really matter that much. Having said that, it matters more for McCain than it does for Obama because of his age. There is a much higher chance of something happening to him because of his age or assassination than Obama, who only has to worry about assassination. Bush's approval rating hovers around 30%, and the last time it hit 40% was Nov/Dec 2006, and because of the current state of affairs (economy, Iraq, etc) there are a lot of people who want nothing to do with the Republican party because of Bush. There isn't a person that I know, including my uber conservative friend K who is a staunch Bush supporter, that thinks that Bush will go down in history as even at best a decent president. A lot of conservative people I know, regret voting for Bush and are planning on voting for Obama because he stands for something that's different than what's going on the past 8 years. This includes an uber conservative friend of my dad's who is a member of the top five richest families in NM, and a bred, born and raised Republican who has oil interests.

McCain has a huge mountain to climb, and I don't think that Palin and her drama are really doing anything for him besides taking the attention away from him, and causing a lot of controversy. Now if she were the presidential candidate, great, but she's not. She's the VP candidate and really, that doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

There are a lot of women who aren't going to like her because of her pro-life stance. There are a lot of other people who won't like her for a bunch of other issues. She's not going to garner many Hillary supporters, because a lot of them care more about the issues than the gender of an individual. And she doesn't bring much of a state backing-3 Alaskan electoral votes, and around 80% of the registered voters of the 675,000 people in AK. Plus she's inexperienced-being mayor of a town of less than 10k people doesn't do much for me, and being the governor of a state that's got less than 700k people and she's been doing it for less than two years. Our mayor here in ABQ, NM is on his 3rd term, and governs around 520k people, and I think that combo of time and number of people gives him a lot more credibility than Palin's experience. She has absolutely NO international experience, which is perceived to be important in this day, age and election. I don't think McCain did himself any favors in picking her, unless he secretly owns some tabloids, because she's all over the newspaper stands. It doesn't really matter if she's a good speaker-I've never heard anyone say, "I changed my vote because so and so was such a good speaker". If anything from what I've read, her looks are going to get her more votes than anything else, and as a woman, I'd feel awful about that.

As DFan said about Obama, that she doesn't have a good feeling about him, I'm the same way about Palin. She leaves me uneasy. And it's not because I'm a Democrat.

BTW IndyGirl, you get mad props from me from continuing to fight this. Your tenacity to continue defending the Republican party is astounding.

ETA: All my opinion obviously, except the numbers-those were estimated from the 2006-2007 data from various official websites. And the Bush approval rating: Link

 

[vespergirl]

I feel the same way about her ....

 

[diamondfan]

Freke, trust me, I do not much care for Palin either. However, I like McCain better than I like Obama, and Obama is the man running on that ticket. Palin might never do much as long as McCain is well, but Obama will for sure, so that is where my struggle is.

 

[FrekeChild]

DFan Oh I hear ya. I totally understand where you''re coming from.

 

[Dancing Fire]

if Obama wins he will tax the corporations to death causing a crash in the stock market.what do you think will happen to your 401K and IRA holdings ? yep,go down the toilet,so you better think twice before you vote for Obama.

 

[joflier]

Date: 9/6/2008 6:18:21 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
if Obama wins he will tax the corporations to death causing a crash in the stock market.what do you think will happen to your 401K and IRA holdings ? yep,go down the toilet,so you better think twice before you vote for Obama.

Not to mention small business owners (like dh and I) There''s no way that we, or many of the other local small business that we know, could really make a go of keeping our businesses profitable with the capital gains taxes he wants. That means ALOT of jobs down the toilet!

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 10:00:05 AM
Author: IndyGirl22
You can obviously do whatever you want; I wasn''t referring to PSers when I was speaking, so I think you misunderstood. I was speaking of the author of the article I read about this topic. I have noticed that you have taken it upon yourself to post every single article about Palin & that''s your perogative, but it''s also my perogative to say that I wish the writers of those articles were more informed/cited sources/had concrete evidence. I *did* read & draw my own conclusions & I posted them here...where is the problem?

As for the Obama links, I didn''t go to them because I already know I''m not voting for him, so I didn''t comment on them...I can choose which links to comment on. I don''t want to know more about him so I didn''t read them, but I did want to know more about Palin, simple as that.

I didn''t misunderstand anything. I just found your comment interesting in light of the things posted and said about Obama. I simply asked where you were during those times. Not to be taken that serious, really. Sure it''s your prerogative to complain about the author of the articles, but you complained about people posting said articles, I just figured I''d fill you in on why I posted them, big deal. Not sure about your comments on the Obama links or what it had to do with what I said so I''ll leave it be. I will say I know I''m not voting for McCain/Palin yet I still read about them anyhow because they could end up running this country.

I don''t know the townspeople, nor have I ever been to her hometown, so I won''t assume that the ''majority'' of people speak this way just b/c someone says so. To answer your questions, YES it would be newsworthy to me anytime ANY politician speaks that way, as stated above, my hometown has 31,000 people, and since you asked, here is the breakdown as of July 2007 (hardly diverse): White Non-Hispanic (81.5%), Chinese (3.6%), Asian Indian (3.4%), Hispanic (3.2%), Black (2.4%), Two or more races (1.6%), Other Asian (1.4%), Korean (1.4%), Other race (1.2%), Japanese (0.9%).

That''s great that it would be newsworthy to you, doesn''t change anything I said. You went on your reasoning for not believing the waitress, and I gave you another point of view for why, simply because they didn''t come forward until now, doesn''t automatically make it false. Thanks for the minority break down, it proves my point.

ETA: I''m done arguing with you about my personal opinion on the matter...let it go.

I''m not sure why you consider this arguing, you posted your "personal opinion" and I posted mine. You will surely encounter worst as a lawyer.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 1:30:21 PM
Author: trillionaire

lol, quoting uninformed citizens doesn''t make it true.

Thanks for posting. I thought I was going to have to actually take the time to find my post showing their tax plans side by side which already refuted these silly things.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 3:38:13 PM
Author: HollyS

Date: 9/6/2008 12:07:11 PM

Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/6/2008 10:45:23 AM

Author: stone_seeker

I love all the attention Palin is bringing to the McCain camp. You couldn''t find one media outlet let along Pricescope thread talking about McCain. Everything was Obama, Obama, Obama. Once all the titillating rumors subside (Obama has his share also but Republicans want to keep the attention on Palin and McCain), there are now millions more people focusing on what McCain has to say which was the genius about this selection.


The democrats and elite media (e.g. NBC) have all fallen for it. I cant wait until this thread reaches 100 pages with the final post being about what she''s wearing on inauguration day.

MOVING ON (once again)...I agree! People are definitely more interested in the McCain/Palin ticket than ever before, whether they love it or hate it. More people tuned in to watch McCain & the RNC than Obama & the DNC...a good sign when you''re trailing...

IndyGirl: I admire your tenacity.

But you are fighting a losing battle here. There are going to be those that want to deliberately misinterpret each post you make. If you get bogged down in defending yourself, it ceases to be about the real subject. Kudos to you for sticking with it though.

Hey Holly, my new BFF. I just HAD to respond simply because the part in bold has happen to me a MILLION times by the person you are responding to, other people in this thread, and yourself. Not trying to start another argument (and they must be easy to start, apparently I''m having them when I''m not even trying), but it needed to be said.

/end response to Holly

There seems to be a recurring theme around here when people get frustrated that they claim they are only posting their "personal opinion." Well, I''m pretty sure most of us are either posting our "personal opinion" or facts (some of which debunk people''s opinions, not that it matters). So if one is not to be offended by your "personal opinion" don''t get offended by theirs. It really is that simple.

 

[HollyS]

Moon: Did it ever occur to you that you are the common denominator in your misunderstandings with other posters?

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/6/2008 7:29:58 PM
Author: MoonWater

I''m not sure why you consider this arguing, you posted your ''personal opinion'' and I posted mine. You will surely encounter worst as a lawyer.

Actually, I probably won''t encounter anything as petty as this in my law career...you don''t argue your personal opinion in court.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/6/2008 5:06:39 PM
Author: FrekeChild
Regardless of PS''s take on the election, this really is Obama''s race to lose. VP doesn''t really matter that much. Having said that, it matters more for McCain than it does for Obama because of his age. There is a much higher chance of something happening to him because of his age or assassination than Obama, who only has to worry about assassination. Bush''s approval rating hovers around 30%, and the last time it hit 40% was Nov/Dec 2006, and because of the current state of affairs (economy, Iraq, etc) there are a lot of people who want nothing to do with the Republican party because of Bush. There isn''t a person that I know, including my uber conservative friend K who is a staunch Bush supporter, that thinks that Bush will go down in history as even at best a decent president. A lot of conservative people I know, regret voting for Bush and are planning on voting for Obama because he stands for something that''s different than what''s going on the past 8 years. This includes an uber conservative friend of my dad''s who is a member of the top five richest families in NM, and a bred, born and raised Republican who has oil interests.

McCain has a huge mountain to climb, and I don''t think that Palin and her drama are really doing anything for him besides taking the attention away from him, and causing a lot of controversy. Now if she were the presidential candidate, great, but she''s not. She''s the VP candidate and really, that doesn''t mean much in the grand scheme of things.

There are a lot of women who aren''t going to like her because of her pro-life stance. There are a lot of other people who won''t like her for a bunch of other issues. She''s not going to garner many Hillary supporters, because a lot of them care more about the issues than the gender of an individual. And she doesn''t bring much of a state backing-3 Alaskan electoral votes, and around 80% of the registered voters of the 675,000 people in AK. Plus she''s inexperienced-being mayor of a town of less than 10k people doesn''t do much for me, and being the governor of a state that''s got less than 700k people and she''s been doing it for less than two years. Our mayor here in ABQ, NM is on his 3rd term, and governs around 520k people, and I think that combo of time and number of people gives him a lot more credibility than Palin''s experience. She has absolutely NO international experience, which is perceived to be important in this day, age and election. I don''t think McCain did himself any favors in picking her, unless he secretly owns some tabloids, because she''s all over the newspaper stands. It doesn''t really matter if she''s a good speaker-I''ve never heard anyone say, ''I changed my vote because so and so was such a good speaker''. If anything from what I''ve read, her looks are going to get her more votes than anything else, and as a woman, I''d feel awful about that.

As DFan said about Obama, that she doesn''t have a good feeling about him, I''m the same way about Palin. She leaves me uneasy. And it''s not because I''m a Democrat.

BTW IndyGirl, you get mad props from me from continuing to fight this. Your tenacity to continue defending the Republican party is astounding.

ETA: All my opinion obviously, except the numbers-those were estimated from the 2006-2007 data from various official websites. And the Bush approval rating: Link

Freke - thanks for stating your very valid reasons (not that you needed to justify it to anyone); it makes me feel good that people pay attention to the issues important to them instead of following the tabloids. LOL @ McCain secretly owning tabloids...you know those people are filthy rich!

I agree with you that McCain''s choice was definitely not the safest choice & might just blow up in his face. I also agree that it is Obama''s race to lose...if he ends up losing it''ll definitely be a *huge* upset. If McCain had been in the lead I doubt Palin would''ve gotten the nod, just from a political strategy standpoint, because he wouldn''t need to take the risk in order to garner attention to his campaign, which is the main thing I think her nomination has done for him (good or bad!). I agree about Bush; he''ll be remembered as decent at best & after a long, long time has passed. Hopefully we don''t have any worse presidents in the meantime!

Thanks for the props too, although I''m not a registered or even "strong" Republican.

I just think a lot of times people in general forget that politics are very much a game & people pick & choose people (& policies) based on where they stand in the polls & where they want to be & what their advisors/analysts say they need to do to get there. It doesn''t matter what party, candidate, etc. it is. It''s just the way it is because you can''t do anything from the outside looking in & I understand that. I have a few classmates who plan a career in politics & they know they will *have* to "sell out" at some point in their lives in order to get elected...it''s quite sad actually.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 7:57:09 PM
Author: HollyS
Moon: Did it ever occur to you that you are the common denominator in your misunderstandings with other posters?

Sure, people love putting words into my mouth and over reacting to things I haven't even said. Must be something about my avatar, maybe it's sending subliminal messages.

But seriously, if that is the case the same exact thing can be said for anyone else that complains they are always being misinterpreted, eh?

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 7:57:18 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/6/2008 7:29:58 PM

Author: MoonWater


I''m not sure why you consider this arguing, you posted your ''personal opinion'' and I posted mine. You will surely encounter worst as a lawyer.

Actually, I probably won''t encounter anything as petty as this in my law career...you don''t argue your personal opinion in court.

The personal opinion aspect had nothing to do with my comment about being a lawyer. It''s the assumption that an argument is occurring when it isn''t.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/6/2008 8:28:50 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 9/6/2008 7:57:18 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/6/2008 7:29:58 PM

Author: MoonWater


I'm not sure why you consider this arguing, you posted your 'personal opinion' and I posted mine. You will surely encounter worst as a lawyer.

Actually, I probably won't encounter anything as petty as this in my law career...you don't argue your personal opinion in court.

The personal opinion aspect had nothing to do with my comment about being a lawyer. It's the assumption that an argument is occurring when it isn't.

Well, in that case, there's always an argument of some type occurring in law school or in court.

 

[miraclesrule]

Deja vu

Actually, you do get to argue your opinion in court. In fact, the evidence in each case is usually the same. It's the interpretation of the evidence and the presentation that differs. It has everything to do with the lawyer's spin and the ability to have the better argument and conviction of his opinion of the evidence.

If evidence alone could win a case, nobody would ever need a courtroom.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 8:36:23 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/6/2008 8:28:50 PM

Author: MoonWater

Date: 9/6/2008 7:57:18 PM

Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/6/2008 7:29:58 PM


Author: MoonWater



I''m not sure why you consider this arguing, you posted your ''personal opinion'' and I posted mine. You will surely encounter worst as a lawyer.

Actually, I probably won''t encounter anything as petty as this in my law career...you don''t argue your personal opinion in court.

The personal opinion aspect had nothing to do with my comment about being a lawyer. It''s the assumption that an argument is occurring when it isn''t.

Well, in that case, there''s always an argument of some type occurring in law school or in court.

Exactly, so this is no big deal. Regardless of whether you think this is petty (which I don''t we''re discussing a huge election, even if I don''t agree with everyone, I like reading what people think), I personally find this stuff useful for honing your ability to argue (and not in the, i want to fight kinda way, in the legal/philosophical kinda way). You learn your weaknesses and figure out how to avoid fallacies and hypocrisy and are better able to find them in the arguments in others.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 8:45:48 PM
Author: miraclesrule

Deja vu

Nah, it''s just a glitch in the Matrix.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 8:45:48 PM
Author: miraclesrule

Deja vu


Actually, you do get to argue your opinion in court. In fact, the evidence in each case is usually the same. It''s the interpretation of the evidence and the presentation that differs. It has everything to do with the lawyer''s spin and the ability to have the better argument and conviction of his opinion of the evidence.


If evidence alone could win a case, nobody would ever need a courtroom.

Thanks. I didn''t want to say anything in case it came across as "arguing" LOL..

 

[miraclesrule]

Date: 9/6/2008 8:47:45 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 9/6/2008 8:45:48 PM
Author: miraclesrule

Deja vu

Nah, it's just a glitch in the Matrix.

Hahaha.

Think martial arts. Dodge the blow and let the energy of the combatant wane. No need to exert any of your own.

So on to Palin, I thought we could get back to talking about her, but the fact that we can't discuss her in a vacuum simply proves that "the knee bone's connected to the thigh bone...the thigh bone's connected to the hip bone". As Ron Paul said...follow the money, and you will always find your answer when it comes to power and politics.

I am beginning to wonder if America isn't destined to become a closing society. I read somewhere, something along the lines of "Our nation is poised at the edge of a cliff, and together we will fall, or together we will fly". Personally, I'm going to be sure to buy a parachute, just in case.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/6/2008 8:46:26 PM
Author: MoonWater

Exactly, so this is no big deal. Regardless of whether you think this is petty (which I don''t we''re discussing a huge election, even if I don''t agree with everyone, I like reading what people think), I personally find this stuff useful for honing your ability to argue (and not in the, i want to fight kinda way, in the legal/philosophical kinda way). You learn your weaknesses and figure out how to avoid fallacies and hypocrisy and are better able to find them in the arguments in others.

LOL this is the last reply I will post to you because I know everyone is sick of reading all of these off topic posts, but I would never, never, never use an online forum to "hone" any skills I will use in my legal career. I have more than enough classes, work, & moot court for that...I don''t think it''s possible to learn how to do anything as a lawyer online.

I don''t think this thread, the election, or anyone''s posts are petty; I do think the continuance of the back & forth between us after I have repeatedly tried to relieve the thread of it is petty.

Anyway, here is something relevant to the thread; just so no one misses them...mark your calendars!

SEPTEMBER 26 Presidential debate in Oxford, Miss.
OCTOBER 2 Vice Presidential debate in St. Louis, Mo.; 7 Presidential debate in Nashville, Tenn.; 15 Presidential debate in Hempstead, N.Y.

The VP debate will definitely be must see TV!

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/6/2008 8:45:48 PM
Author: miraclesrule

Deja vu

Actually, you do get to argue your opinion in court. In fact, the evidence in each case is usually the same. It's the interpretation of the evidence and the presentation that differs. It has everything to do with the lawyer's spin and the ability to have the better argument and conviction of his opinion of the evidence.

If evidence alone could win a case, nobody would ever need a courtroom.

I see what you're saying but while you might be arguing your opinion based on the facts & law you certainly don't present it as such; at least none of the cases I've seen or worked on have had lawyers who have done this. It makes the judge/jury too prone to dismissing it as just your personal opinion or interpretation vs. what the law states. And, of course, you aren't arguing your personal opinion, but your client's through agency. I understand your point, though...I know you know that PS is nothing like court

so it was kind of weird to come across the analogy since you aren't advocating for yourself in court but for your client & you actually have facts & case law & statutes (not speculation or assumptions) to base your arguments on.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 9:06:08 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/6/2008 8:46:26 PM

Author: MoonWater


Exactly, so this is no big deal. Regardless of whether you think this is petty (which I don''t we''re discussing a huge election, even if I don''t agree with everyone, I like reading what people think), I personally find this stuff useful for honing your ability to argue (and not in the, i want to fight kinda way, in the legal/philosophical kinda way). You learn your weaknesses and figure out how to avoid fallacies and hypocrisy and are better able to find them in the arguments in others.

LOL this is the last reply I will post to you because I know everyone is sick of reading all of these off topic posts, but I would never, never, never use an online forum to ''hone'' any skills I will use in my legal career. I have more than enough classes, work, & moot court for that...I don''t think it''s possible to learn how to do anything as a lawyer online.

I don''t think this thread, the election, or anyone''s posts are petty; I do think the continuance of the back & forth between us after I have repeatedly tried to relieve the thread of it is petty.


Anyway, here is something relevant to the thread; just so no one misses them...mark your calendars!

SEPTEMBER 26 Presidential debate in Oxford, Miss.

OCTOBER 2 Vice Presidential debate in St. Louis, Mo.; 7 Presidential debate in Nashville, Tenn.; 15 Presidential debate in Hempstead, N.Y.


The VP debate will definitely be must see TV!

To each their own. I like honing my skills in general. I studied to be a paralegal and got straight As in all of my law courses. I write one hell of a legal memo and craft a mean argument (for a variety of sides). I would never discount any opportunity to learn more in the art of arguing, even if it''s in an online forum. This is still a sample of the population you will encounter as a lawyer.

 

[miraclesrule]

Wait!!!!

IndyGirl...

Considering nearly every aspect of politics is based on law, I can see how it isn't a stretch....

But your comment just made me realize...duh...that the Republican ticket has another positive...Neither of them are lawyers.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 8:57:46 PM
Author: miraclesrule

Date: 9/6/2008 8:47:45 PM

Author: MoonWater

Date: 9/6/2008 8:45:48 PM

Author: miraclesrule

Deja vu

Nah, it''s just a glitch in the Matrix.

Hahaha.


Think martial arts. Dodge the blow and let the energy of the combatant wane. No need to exert any of your own.


So on to Palin, I thought we could get back to talking about her, but the fact that we can''t discuss her in a vacuum simply proves that ''the knee bone''s connected to the thigh bone...the thigh bone''s connected to the hip bone''. As Ron Paul said...follow the money, and you will always find your answer when it comes to power and politics.


I am beginning to wonder if America isn''t destined to become a closing society. I read somewhere, something along the lines of ''Our nation is poised at the edge of a cliff, and together we will fall, or together we will fly''. Personally, I''m going to be sure to buy a parachute, just in case.

Well, I can''t figure out what''s going on in this country anymore. I do know I have my sights on buying property in either Europe or South America. With the world shrinking, it''s not like it will make a difference, but I think it would be nice to be able to get the hell away from America at least some of the time.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/6/2008 9:17:36 PM
Author: miraclesrule
Wait!!!!

IndyGirl...

Considering nearly every aspect of politics is based on law, I can see how it isn''t a stretch....

But your comment just made me realize...duh...that the Republican ticket has another positive...Neither of them are lawyers.

LOL I''m taking professional responsibility now & today we watched a hilarious clip of the horrible image that lawyers have; it was filled with quotes from movies, TV shows, etc. It was quite entertaining & an interesting introduction to a class about "legal ethics" (an oxymoron to some!).

My law school graduated a recent past VP, actually

We also received a stern lecture from our law review editor not to pull a "Joe Biden" because he wasn''t going to cover for us!

 

[miraclesrule]

Moonwater: Me too. I was thinking about Italy, but I don''t know. I need to travel more to see where it is I would like to have a place for me and my family to go. I''m afraid that if I get out to more places, I will end up falling in love with some third world country and never come back home. I can''t bear the thought of being away from my future grandchild though.

My neighbor has a condo in Thailand. He goes there for nearly 3 months out of the year. I can''t believe how inexpensive it was for him to buy. It''s his "slice of heaven" he says. I just want him to bring me back some Thai silk curtains.

 

[Anna0499]

Interesting statistics on how voters weight abortion issue in their choices here. I tend to agree as I don't think the majority of voters list it at the top of their voting criteria...another point in favor of the argument why Palin, despite her strong pro-life stance, was possibly not that huge of a risk and will probably win over more voters than a pro-choice candidate would have. Maybe this belongs in the Obama thread, but the article stated that Obama is against a law that would give babies who survive abortions full legal rights...does that sound disturbing to anyone else? It's the first I've heard of it so I was wondering if anyone had more information...feel free to tell me to go post on Obama's thread!

ETA: miraclesrule - we have a beach house in VN & it is AMAZING how far the dollar goes over there! Of course, those who live there are experiencing huge inflation without increases in wages, so we have to do our part & spend a lot everytime we visit.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/6/2008 9:35:23 PM
Author: miraclesrule
Moonwater: Me too. I was thinking about Italy, but I don't know. I need to travel more to see where it is I would like to have a place for me and my family to go. I'm afraid that if I get out to more places, I will end up falling in love with some third world country and never come back home. I can't bear the thought of being away from my future grandchild though.


My neighbor has a condo in Thailand. He goes there for nearly 3 months out of the year. I can't believe how inexpensive it was for him to buy. It's his 'slice of heaven' he says. I just want him to bring me back some Thai silk curtains.

My old job wanted to ship me to Bangkok for an annual meeting and I chickened out. I never had much of an interest in visiting and I hate planes. Plus there was a military coup at the time. Of course everyone came back raving about the food and how beautiful it was blah blah...grr darnit.

I would kill to have a place in Italy. We plan to visit next year (and Spain and other places that have yet to be determined). An old co-worker lives in Sweden and I'm considering that. I really have no idea, however. I just want my own 'slice of heaven'. I constantly watch House Hunters International to see the different locations. You know, the whole psychic thing, I sorta feel like I'm destined to be some place else. We'll see, I'm definitely going to work at it. I worried about us having children and being away from the grandparents but thought I couldn't let something like that stop me. I do think it would be different if I were the grandparent, though. Can't leave those precious little faces behind.

/end thread jack

A few months back (on second thought, it may have been a year ago) there was a great article in The Atlantic (I'm pretty sure it was the Atlantic) about Roe v. Wade and the whole abortion issue. By the end of it I was convinced that in order to secure a woman's right to choose, the decision needed to be overturned. I think a true law needs to be in place so that the constant threat won't always be lingering (and thus can no longer be used in elections).