Female Mccain''s VP pick

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/1/2008 1:25:44 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS

Date: 9/1/2008 1:23:39 PM
Author: EBree
I think it''s a sad situation. This poor girl is likely feeling serious pressure to marry the father due to her family''s conservative values and her mother''s position, which is a shame, in my opinion. Why a hasty marriage is the ''right decision'' in these situations doesn''t exactly compute.

Maybe and maybe not. Maybe she wants to marry the father.

I agree. We don''t really know their situation. Sometimes teenage romances do work out to live happiliy ever after and I only wish them the best in their difficult journey.

 

[E B]

Would she have wanted to marry him -today- without a baby in the picture? I'd guess not.

I have a family member in a very similar situation, so maybe I'm a bit sensitive about it. Two years ago, he got his young ex-girlfriend pregnant, and they stayed together for the child, because it was the "right thing to do." They married soon after. Now, not a year later, they're separated and living in different houses.

Marriage should be a decision that comes after two people have build a solid foundation together. Two teenagers marrying because one accidentally became pregnant? A shaky foundation at best. This is not to say it won't work out (and I do hope for the best), but generally, it isn't a good idea (in my opinion).

 

[iluvcarats]

Date: 9/1/2008 12:56:16 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
So, how does everyone feel about the news about her daughter being pregnant? I am interested to here what PSers have to say.


ETA: I should probably provide my views..personally..I feel like I really shouldn''t be one to judge; however, it does reflect a huge problem in America today. These situations are always tough. I am just kind of surprised..okay very surprised..that McCain still chose her knowing she had a pregnant daughter which would cause at least a litttttle bit of scandal whether it should or it shouldn''t. Will this help with the conservative base? Maybe..maybe not.

I think it means that teaching abstinence in schools probably doesn''t work.

 

[SarahLovesJS]

Date: 9/1/2008 1:28:32 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

I am also unfamiliar with the ''unusual''ness of cover-ups by mothers for their young daughters''s pregnancies. Could you direct me to the sources for this statement? I''ve never personally known anyone who has been a part of this type of cover-up, not that I would *know* for sure anyway if it did happen...which is why I''m curious as to the statistics of this if you have them.

Ditto..every pregnant teen I''ve ever known or known of claimed their own child, there was no magical cover-up. I think this idea that Palin covered up her daughter''s "first pregnancy" and pretended it was her own is ridiculous. I can''t believe people are even entertaining their time on it. I know I jumped into the topic earlier when I asked what people thought..and I did want to gauge how the PSers were reacting to the news..but I really wanted to find out how people thought it would impact the campaign if at all. I should have phrased it that way instead. But back to the magical pregnancy..lordy don''t people have something better to do than to go through pregnancy conspiracy theories?

 

[SarahLovesJS]

Date: 9/1/2008 1:33:15 PM
Author: EBree
Would she have wanted to marry him -today- without a baby in the picture? I''d guess not.


I have a family member in a very similar situation, so maybe I''m a bit sensitive about it. Two years ago, he got his young ex-girlfriend pregnant, and they stayed together for the child, because it was the ''right thing to do.'' They married soon after. Now, not a year later, they''re separated and living in different houses.


Marriage should be a decision that comes after two people have build a solid foundation together. Two teenagers marrying because one accidentally became pregnant? A shaky foundation at best. This is not to say it won''t work out (and I do hope for the best), but generally, it isn''t a good idea (in my opinion).

I understand more of where you''re coming from. I agree, it''s definitely not a decision to take lightly. Marrying just because it''s the best for the baby is not always the best for the baby.

 

[E B]

Date: 9/1/2008 1:36:49 PM
Author: iluvcarats

I think it means that teaching abstinence in schools probably doesn't work.

I agree- and who better to illustrate this but a teenager from a very conservative family?

Teenagers will do as they please, and it's best that they're taught to be safe, above all else.

 

[angel_nieves]

Date: 9/1/2008 1:33:15 PM
Author: EBree
Would she have wanted to marry him without a baby in the picture? I''d guess not.

I have a family member in a very similar situation, so maybe I''m a bit sensitive about it. Two years ago, he got his young ex-girlfriend pregnant, and they stayed together for the child, because it was the ''right thing to do.'' They married soon after. Now, not a year later, they''re separated and living in different houses.

Marriage should be a decision that comes after two people have build a solid foundation together. Two teenagers marrying because one accidentally became pregnant? A shaky foundation at best. This is not to say it won''t work out (and I do hope for the best), but generally, it isn''t a good idea.

I have to agree with you on this point. My nephew got his girlfriend pregnant both at the age of 17. They married when she was 4 month preggers so they could do the right thing. Two years after the birth of the baby they realized they where not in love with each other and no longer together. They felt that they where pressured into marriage, when they should not have been.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/1/2008 1:33:15 PM
Author: EBree
Would she have wanted to marry him -today- without a baby in the picture? I''d guess not.

I have a family member in a very similar situation, so maybe I''m a bit sensitive about it. Two years ago, he got his young ex-girlfriend pregnant, and they stayed together for the child, because it was the ''right thing to do.'' They married soon after. Now, not a year later, they''re separated and living in different houses.

Marriage should be a decision that comes after two people have build a solid foundation together. Two teenagers marrying because one accidentally became pregnant? A shaky foundation at best. This is not to say it won''t work out (and I do hope for the best), but generally, it isn''t a good idea (in my opinion).

I have no idea about their marriage plans previous to her pregnancy; perhaps they really are in love (teenage love, but still) and planned on getting married anyway. I don''t think she''s marrying him today, it very well may be after she has the child, and it may not even happen then. My whole point was that sometimes these relationships *do* work out and since we don''t have the details about her pregnancy/relationship with the baby''s father (which is a GOOD thing), I''m not going to judge her or the marriage. We don''t know if she was pressured in any way to marry the father.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/1/2008 1:38:44 PM
Author: EBree

Date: 9/1/2008 1:36:49 PM
Author: iluvcarats

I think it means that teaching abstinence in schools probably doesn't work.

I agree- and who better to illustrate this but a teenager from a very conservative family?

Teenagers will do as they please, and it's best that they're taught to be safe, above all else.

I promise I'm not trying to target you, but some people base their feelings on birth control/abortion on their moral judgments and religious views and don't think that "teenagers will do as they please." I know I didn't, at least. I'm not going to say advocating birth control is "best" for anyone "above all else." Perhaps self-esteem education is the key to preventing most teenage pregnancies. Maybe Palin's daughter *did* use birth control but became pregnant regardless...no birth control is 100%, let alone when teenagers are using it. Anyway, I feel like I'm contributing to the media sensationalism of this very common storyline so I will stop now.

 

[iluvcarats]

Date: 9/1/2008 1:56:12 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/1/2008 1:38:44 PM

Author: EBree

Date: 9/1/2008 1:36:49 PM

Author: iluvcarats


I think it means that teaching abstinence in schools probably doesn''t work.

I agree- and who better to illustrate this but a teenager from a very conservative family?


Teenagers will do as they please, and it''s best that they''re taught to be safe, above all else.

I promise I''m not trying to target you, but some people base their feelings on birth control/abortion on their moral judgments and religious views and don''t think that ''teenagers will do as they please.'' I know I didn''t, at least. I''m not going to say advocating birth control is ''best'' for anyone ''above all else.'' Perhaps self-esteem education is the key to preventing most teenage pregnancies. Maybe Palin''s daughter *did* use birth control but became pregnant regardless...no birth control is 100%, let alone when teenagers are using it. Anyway, I feel like I''m contributing to the media sensationalism of this very common storyline so I will stop now.

Sarah Palin''s daughter "did as she pleased"

Whether she used birth control or not, this kind of behavior is not supported by conservative, religious Republicans, is it? Isn''t this considered sinful?

 

[diamondfan]

I think it is naive to think a teen might not do such things, even with or in spite of their parent''s views.

For me, when I was growing up, it was the really strict families that had issues sometimes, their kids could not let off steam normally so their rebellion would be huge. I saw it multiple times.

Maybe she used protection, it can fail. Maybe she thinks she loves this boy. Who knows? There is now a baby involved and a marriage coming, and I would tend to think it will not last, but it is their life and choice to make.

 

[iluvcarats]

Date: 9/1/2008 2:18:32 PM
Author: diamondfan
I think it is naive to think a teen might not do such things, even with or in spite of their parent''s views.


For me, when I was growing up, it was the really strict families that had issues sometimes, their kids could not let off steam normally so their rebellion would be huge. I saw it multiple times.


Maybe she used protection, it can fail. Maybe she thinks she loves this boy. Who knows? There is now a baby involved and a marriage coming, and I would tend to think it will not last, but it is their life and choice to make.

I agree.
I think it is important that they get as much of an education as they can. As a society, we owe it to our children to teach them the truth, not what we want the truth to be.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/1/2008 2:10:47 PM
Author: iluvcarats

Sarah Palin's daughter 'did as she pleased'

Whether she used birth control or not, this kind of behavior is not supported by conservative, religious Republicans, is it? Isn't this considered sinful?

I have no idea. I don't know the personal beliefs of the Palins, nor would I generalize as to what views are held by "conservative, religious Republicans." It's hard to say what people believe nowadays as many do not follow all of the teachings of their religion; i.e. Joe Biden proclaims himself as a devout Catholic yet he openly supports abortion, something explicitly very much against the Catholic faith. (One reason I do not like him). I think most conservatives against birth control and abortion would not focus on the premarital sex "sinful"ness as much as the difficult decision to be made by any young unwed mother of keeping the baby. It is highly likely that most "conservative, religious Republicans" engaged in premarital sex themselves, so I doubt it will be a significant issue for them. Something they wouldn't support is the premartial sex followed by an abortion.

ETA: I doubt that Palin didn't teach her children the "truth," as teenage sex is everywhere nowadays. I don't know any teenagers that don't know about birth control. It is realistic that teenagers will have sex if they want to regardless of what their parents think, but I think it is so important to teach children how to conduct their lives within their own belief systems once a "mistake" is made.

 

[innerkitten]

So now she''s confirming her daughter is pregnant. I guess I missed alot of this. So this could possibly be her second child. Wow, she''s just a kid herself.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jIMJWupyWNmvU3UX2aGhICmZrQ_wD92U2M680

 

[LAJennifer]

Everyone''s personal perspective on the issue of Palin''s daughter''s pregnancy is very interesting to me. Just as interesting as candidates public perspectives on the issue of teen pregnancy. With Palin - we will see first hand how the family handles the issue.

Obama (earlier this year) - "I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby."

 

[iluvcarats]

Date: 9/1/2008 2:29:21 PM
Author: innerkitten
So now she''s confirming her daughter is pregnant. I guess I missed alot of this. So this could possibly be her second child. Wow, she''s just a kid herself.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jIMJWupyWNmvU3UX2aGhICmZrQ_wD92U2M680

If they are reporting that she is 4 0r 5 months pregnant, and Trig was born in April - not really possible.

 

[innerkitten]

So maybe all the pregnant looking photos were actually more recent.

 

[iluvcarats]

Date: 9/1/2008 2:35:16 PM
Author: innerkitten
So maybe all the pregnant looking photos were actually more recent.

I don''t know.
I feel bad for her though. The Enquirer, Star, People, Inside Edition...Ugg

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 9/1/2008 2:10:47 PM
Author: iluvcarats

Date: 9/1/2008 1:56:12 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/1/2008 1:38:44 PM

Author: EBree

Date: 9/1/2008 1:36:49 PM

Author: iluvcarats


I think it means that teaching abstinence in schools probably doesn''t work.

I agree- and who better to illustrate this but a teenager from a very conservative family?


Teenagers will do as they please, and it''s best that they''re taught to be safe, above all else.

I promise I''m not trying to target you, but some people base their feelings on birth control/abortion on their moral judgments and religious views and don''t think that ''teenagers will do as they please.'' I know I didn''t, at least. I''m not going to say advocating birth control is ''best'' for anyone ''above all else.'' Perhaps self-esteem education is the key to preventing most teenage pregnancies. Maybe Palin''s daughter *did* use birth control but became pregnant regardless...no birth control is 100%, let alone when teenagers are using it. Anyway, I feel like I''m contributing to the media sensationalism of this very common storyline so I will stop now.

Sarah Palin''s daughter ''did as she pleased''

Whether she used birth control or not, this kind of behavior is not supported by conservative, religious Republicans, is it? Isn''t this considered sinful?

I''m 35 years old and I was raised in a conservative, religious Republican household. I was not taught that this is considered sinful. I was taught that significant risks and consequences were involved with certain adult behaviours (sex, alcohol, etc). Should I choose to include said adult behaviours into my life, I would have to accept personal responsibility for the consequences of my actions. The outcome was that I "did as I pleased" and chose not to engage in said behaviours until I felt adult enough to deal with the possible consequences. I abstained from sex until 19 years of age - I abstained from alcohol until 21 years of age.

 

[angel_nieves]

Date: 9/1/2008 2:28:31 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/1/2008 2:10:47 PM
Author: iluvcarats

Sarah Palin''s daughter ''did as she pleased''

Whether she used birth control or not, this kind of behavior is not supported by conservative, religious Republicans, is it? Isn''t this considered sinful?

I have no idea. I don''t know the personal beliefs of the Palins, nor would I generalize as to what views are held by ''conservative, religious Republicans.'' It''s hard to say what people believe nowadays as many do not follow all of the teachings of their religion; i.e. Joe Biden proclaims himself as a devout Catholic yet he openly supports abortion, something explicitly very much against the Catholic faith. (One reason I do not like him). I think most conservatives against birth control and abortion would not focus on the premarital sex ''sinful''ness as much as the difficult decision to be made by any young unwed mother of keeping the baby. It is highly likely that most ''conservative, religious Republicans'' engaged in premarital sex themselves, so I doubt it will be a significant issue for them. Something they wouldn''t support is the premartial sex followed by an abortion.

ETA: I doubt that Palin didn''t teach her children the ''truth,'' as teenage sex is everywhere nowadays. I don''t know any teenagers that don''t know about birth control. It is realistic that teenagers will have sex if they want to regardless of what their parents think, but I think it is so important to teach children how to conduct their lives within their own belief systems once a ''mistake'' is made.

Let’s not bring in faith into the political debate. I am catholic too and also pro-choice. So lets not be condemning people for their choices.

I have to say that in the case of a local mo0ther who wanted an abortion and whose mother refused and would not let her daughter even the chance of adopting the child out it is a shame.
The little girl is know been deemed dead and the mother is being viewed as the one responsible for her death.
http://www.winknews.com/news/local/27735914.html

 

[FrekeChild]

Hey Holly.

Just because I post something you don't agree with, does not mean that you need to ridicule what I say or my sources. This seems to be an ongoing trend with you and other liberal posters.

I saw something I found interesting and I posted it because I thought others might as well. THATS IT. No one said it was ethical journalism, and no one said it was more than a conspiracy theory. When I saw it, I thought "Conspiracy theory." SO BACK OFF.

As far as the situation, I don't really care if it's hers or her daughters. I was born to a young mother and given up for adoption. I know many other families who have had young mothers and the grandmothers have covered for them and said that the baby was theirs or that they have just raised it as their own. As far as I'm concerned, if this happened to me, I'd release my medical records--from the birth, and be done with it.

And, btw, I posted the picture to disprove what the blogger had said.

 

[SarahLovesJS]

Freke I hope you don''t think I was attacking you when I said people don''t have anything better to do..by people I meant bloggers/media. Just wanted to clarify. I do want to give huge props to Obama for coming out and shutting this down. Obama response, Same, Same.

 

[Beacon]

I am disposed to like Sarah Palin but I am really concerned about the picture that is emerging.

Though it sounds cliche, it looks to me that she should be spending more time with her family. How can a person be VP when they have a newborn with Down''s and teenage pregnancies emerging? Doesn''t this require some parental attention? I think as an elected executive these family matters will be a distraction.

I was turned off by the photos of her with a hunting rifle and I find her appearance so non Presidential.

I have to study her record more but I am not thrilled so far by the personal things I see.

I am no Obama supporter either - I am a Republican. (and totally disappointed with George Bush). Either way, this election is going to be quite something. My guess is Obama wins it. Very interesting though!

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 9/1/2008 2:28:31 PM
Author: IndyGirl22


ETA: I doubt that Palin didn''t teach her children the ''truth,'' as teenage sex is everywhere nowadays. I don''t know any teenagers that don''t know about birth control. It is realistic that teenagers will have sex if they want to regardless of what their parents think, but I think it is so important to teach children how to conduct their lives within their own belief systems once a ''mistake'' is made.

Ditto.

I''d be amazed to find a teen girl in America who blamed her pregnancy on not being informed about birth control. People make bad decisions no matter how well-informed they are. Like they say, "You can lead a horse to water...."

 

[luckystar112]

style="WIDTH: 99%; HEIGHT: 114px">Date: 9/1/2008 2:29:42 PM
Author: LAJennifer


Obama (earlier this year) - ''I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.''

That sentence just isn''t sitting right with me.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/1/2008 2:44:18 PM
Author: Macie

Let’s not bring in faith into the political debate. I am catholic too and also pro-choice. So lets not be condemning people for their choices.

I have to say that in the case of a local mo0ther who wanted an abortion and whose mother refused and would not let her daughter even the chance of adopting the child out it is a shame.
The little girl is know been deemed dead and the mother is being viewed as the one responsible for her death.


http://www.winknews.com/news/local/27735914.html

Actually, *I* didn't bring faith into the debate...*ETA* the POSTER (not you Macie) asked a question about "religious" Republicans and I answered it accordingly. I also didn't say anything "condemning" about Biden or any Catholic who chooses to be pro-choice. I stated three undisputable facts: 1) Biden proclaims himself to be Catholic and uses it to get votes 2) He is pro-choice and 3) Abortion is against the Catholic religion. I did state that *I personally* found the inconsistency unfavorable, but don't see where I condemned anyone and if you felt like I was speaking of you or other pro-choice Catholics then I am sorry.
ETA: If you were talking only to the original poster then disregard this post, but you quoted my response so I answered.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/1/2008 4:22:28 PM
Author: Beacon
I am disposed to like Sarah Palin but I am really concerned about the picture that is emerging.

Though it sounds cliche, it looks to me that she should be spending more time with her family. How can a person be VP when they have a newborn with Down''s and teenage pregnancies emerging? Doesn''t this require some parental attention? I think as an elected executive these family matters will be a distraction.

I was turned off by the photos of her with a hunting rifle and I find her appearance so non Presidential.

I have to study her record more but I am not thrilled so far by the personal things I see.

I am no Obama supporter either - I am a Republican. (and totally disappointed with George Bush). Either way, this election is going to be quite something. My guess is Obama wins it. Very interesting though!

I think her newborn does require some parental attention, but, as you can read in some of the posts above, why can''t most of this come from her husband (as would likely happen in any scenario when a woman is in a position of power and has children to take care of)? No one says anything about "family matters" being a distraction for men with newborns...

 

[iluvcarats]

Date: 9/1/2008 4:43:15 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/1/2008 2:44:18 PM

Author: Macie

Let’s not bring in faith into the political debate. I am catholic too and also pro-choice. So lets not be condemning people for their choices.

I have to say that in the case of a local mo0ther who wanted an abortion and whose mother refused and would not let her daughter even the chance of adopting the child out it is a shame.

The little girl is know been deemed dead and the mother is being viewed as the one responsible for her death.



http://www.winknews.com/news/local/27735914.html

Actually, *I* didn''t bring faith into the debate...*ETA* the POSTER (not you Macie) asked a question about ''religious'' Republicans and I answered it accordingly. I also didn''t say anything ''condemning'' about Biden or any Catholic who chooses to be pro-choice. I stated three undisputable facts: 1) Biden proclaims himself to be Catholic and uses it to get votes 2) He is pro-choice and 3) Abortion is against the Catholic religion. I did state that *I personally* found the inconsistency unfavorable, but don''t see where I condemned anyone and if you felt like I was speaking of you or other pro-choice Catholics then I am sorry.

ETA: If you were talking only to the original poster then disregard this post, but you quoted my response so I answered.

Since so much of the Republican platform *is* faith based, I don''t see how you can talk about the issues without bringing it up, so I am not going to post here anymore. Sorry for bringing it up.

 

[Beacon]

Indy, I tend to agree with you in general. But obviously the father has been in charge and things are not going all that well. Her family has now some serious issues beyond normal childcare and I think it may require a two parent attention level.

I do think about family issues for both male and female candidates. Principally b/c if the person cannot manage their personal issues very well, I have doubts about their ability to manage a whole country very well. I am not saying that the Palin''s have done a poor job with their family, but coincidence has brought some serious issues that need attention, IMO.

 

[angel_nieves]

forget it

iluvcarats my post was not intended for you.