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8/31/2008 9:44:23 PM

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luckystar112

To me, it is clear she has a belly in the video of her hiking. The rest can be chalked up to good angles. Why no pictures of her standing sideways so we can see her profile?
Not everyone who is pregnant blows up 50 lbs. Look at Nicole Kidman.

True. But there's more to the "story" than Ms. Palin's body. There's her daughter's absence from school and that weird flight when Ms. Palin was supposedly in labor as well.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/things-that-mak.html


Deborah
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That is exactly what I was talking about Deb. I''ve had mono-I did not need 5-8 months away from school. Maybe a month or two...

And from what I know (which is pretty dang limited) pregnant women who have had several babies tend to deliver faster than new mothers. 8 hours is SERIOUSLY pushing it.

It''s most certainly not all about the pictures...
 
I had hoped to stay out of this political thread because no one can really convince anyone of anything. Just like a religious thread saying what god is better. But since others have made comments I just wanted to add that anyone voting for Obama because they bought into the argument that McCain has voted alongside Bush 90% of the time, or is a third term bush presidency need to really do some homework before voting on Nov. 4 because you are falling for some serious propaganda by the dems. Its natural for them to point at an unliked president and claim someone from that same party will be the same because they are saying what they need to to win.

For the record, Hillary and Joe Biden have both "alongside" Bush more than 70% of the time. Barack''s time in congress has been spent running for President otherwise his % would be up there a well. If the opposing party didnt vote for what the administration wanted, nothing would happen so compromises are made in all bills that get based and Obama is counting those as voting with Bush. Its all BS and it scares me how many people buy into that argument and are basing their votes on it, including those on this thread.

For the record, I''m an independent and the only person who has shown any independence in this election is John McCain. Sarah Palin is also a breath of fresh air but the fact that she has gotten more done for Americans than Barack Obama is enough for me that she is a qualified #2.
 
Date: 8/31/2008 4:45:45 PM
Author: HollyS
Welcome to the minority party here on PS, TGal!

Does surfgirl know this about you?
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Ha...who cares? I can take her!
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I figure I pretty much come across as a conservative and it''s no secret to anyone?
 
Freke, while I TOTALLY agree mono does not take months to be cured, and that seems odd, I have to say that my third baby, my water broke and then I stalled and was in very unproductive labor for 12 plus hours. Once I had pitocin out he came, but I was not progressing at all.

Also, though I looked like Shamu, I know women who were pregnant and were months along, and not with first babies, and depending on how they dressed, it was really not evident. I also used to get my hair done where Priscilla Presley went, and when she was married or with the karate instructor (I think) and was pregnant, I saw her at SEVEN months and she did NOT look pregnant. I was a size 2 and had a bigger stomach than she did, no lie, and I was two feet from her for a while, and saw her get up and down a couple of times.

I would not say that this story is IMPOSSIBLE. I am sure, as a pro life mom, if someone's daughter came to her at 16 and was pregnant, it would be a problem. I think Jack Nicholson's sister was really his mom and his grandmother raised him as her son, back then, illegitimacy was a terrible stigma. Again, this could be total muck racking and maybe some photographer got a hold of some photos and pulled this out a hat. In some of them, she is wearing a coat that is away from her body, and she could have carried well. In some, the daughter has a tiny belly but she still might have some baby fat...and they do not show photos of the daughter looking really big, I cannot believe she NEVER left the house in the last months. And too many people would know something, at the hospital
etc...it would come out. And no one that pregnant runs like that, I admit that, it is not advisable to get the heart rate up that high. Overall, this story is pretty way out, but I would not say it was impossible.
Also, sometimes teens get pregnant and walk around in loose clothes and no one really notices anything.

I went to high school with a girl who was rumoured to have gotten pregnant and had a baby that was given up for adoption...she disappeared from school for a while and everyone said she hated our school and left to attend a boarding school. I heard it was a home for unwed mothers. Then she came back and said she missed being at home. Everyone said she had had a baby and given it up for adoption, that she refused to have an abortion and waited so long to tell her parents so it was unsafe to do so...so they had no choice but to let her have the baby. I think they convinced her not to keep it. She had always been a bit larger so I think she could disguise it.
 
Mmmm....

Preggers Palin

But I have to say that everything surrounding it is still weird. And it's pretty easy to create a baby bump under clothes. I think they should just make her med records from the baby's birth public and be done with it. There is no reason to have any question about it really.

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I watched the video were she said the comment about running until her guts and thighs hurt or whatever. She didn't say she did that every day, or even any time lately. Maybe she was referring to pre-pregnancy, or even years ago. Who knows?

Those pictures of her daughter are definitely NOT evidence of pregnancy. Many girls and women wear close fitting clothing and have belly pudge. It doesn't make you pregnant. If it does, I've been pregnant for a while now...

I also don't think being a "pro-lifer" or one who is not opposed to abortion would make a difference in whether or not it would be a difficult situation if your teenage daughter were to become pregnant. I would like to think it would be a serious situation that is taken seriously, as I doubt many pro-abortion parents would say that having an abortion as a procedure is nothing, particularly in regard to their child.

Media can put a spin on anything they choose to. I knew a child in middle school who had mono and was out of school for 7 months. He was a boy and didn't go away to have a baby; he had mono.

I don't know how I feel about anyone having to defend that their child is in fact theirs to the media. I mean, aren't some things (like birth certificates, medical records, etc.) private? I know that when you make a commitment of any nature, political or otherwise, that relates to the media, you in a lot of ways must give up some of your privacy.

My sister-in-law has five children. Number 5 was the second to longest delivery she's had. She also gained the least amount of weight while pregnant with number five, as five was a surprise and she'd lost all her previous weight and had regained her pre-pregnancy body. There's what is common, but that's not what happens for everyone, every time.

It will be interesting to see where this "story" goes from here, in the way of real evidence and here say.
 
Date: 9/1/2008 10:02:34 AM
Author: movie zombie
and pictures of a very pregnant daughter can be seen here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332

i''m not sure if the writer is a doctor or not but he makes some very legitimate medical points.......

movie zombie
Where is the "very pregnant" picture of Bristol? The one where she''s wearing the animal print or the blue shirt? Please; that''s a girl with a belly. Most women have that. Go to any high school and you''ll see girls wearing clothing like that, too, with a belly. Very few women have iron flat bellies.
 
Wow...everything about that rumor is tasteless to me. The Huffington Post (very left-wing BLOG) has been especially rude IMHO. If someone knew definitively that Sarah Palin was not the mother of that baby I assume they would''ve given interviews with proof for a lot of money by now. She has been governor for long enough that information like that wouldn''t stay hidden, especially with people close to her family who dislike her (i.e. ex-brother-in-law). I think it''s sad that everyone is jumping on the sensational tabloid bandwagon, but the Dems have certainly picked out their strategy to combat Palin''s VP chances - an online smear campaign. I looked at those pictures movie zombie posted and Sarah''s daughter does not look "very pregnant" in those pictures...she looks a bit pudgy, but most teenagers nowadays do...nor does Sarah look absolutely unpregnant. It''s not enough proof to me. Also, I find it sad that in this day in age a woman can be judged for not only how much weight she puts ON during a pregnancy, but how much weight she keeps OFF.
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I''ve seen so many pictures on the Internet photoshopped by Dems accompanying articles speaking of this "scandal," seeing is not believing anymore. On the Internet pictures *DO* lie.

If the rumor isn''t true I feel bad for Sarah, but especially for her daughter. I couldn''t imagine being 17 years old and having complete strangers posting pictures of myself with just a little bit of a tummy with commentaries on how I looked pregnant.
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I would also feel violated at the thought of having to release my medical records to the public to prove that I had given birth to my son; not to mention the terrible precedent it would be setting for every political candidate thereafter.

Maybe we''ll find out the truth to the rumor, but I just think some people (mostly bloggers) have gone to a very hateful place with it.
 

Date:
9/1/2008 2:39:15 AM

Author:
FrekeChild

I think they should just make her med records from the baby's birth public and be done with it. There is no reason to have any question about it really.

FrekeChild, I agree with you on many issues, but on this I respectfully disagree. If an investigative reporter wants to find evidence that Ms. Palin lied, that is his right. I do not think that it is right for "the people" to demand medical records just as I do not think it is their right to demand to know sexual intimacies of public figures...unless those affairs are lied about under oath; are illegal; or cost the taxpayers money. We all know that many of the US presidents in the latter half of the twentieth century had extra-marital affairs, but no one saw fit to put them on the front pages of newspapers back then.

I have alluded to Eleanor Roosevelt in another thread. She was quite aware that her husband had a mistress, but when he appeared to be ready to give her up, she carried on as his "eyes and ears" while he was in a wheelchair. During World War II she flew in military aircraft that was unheated and uncomfortable. She was allowed only 22 lbs of luggage, which was taken up mainly by her typewriter. I don't think she needed to see headlines about her husband's infidelities on the front pages of the newspapers. I do not know who that would have helped. As it was, the country was served by both the Roosevelts remaining in their jobs.

John Kennedy was looked at as more desirable for having a lady at home in the White House and glamorous interests like Marilyn Monroe on the side. No one wrote a front page article about his infidelities to Jackie with Marilyn Monroe...although Judith Campbell Exner fell into the possibly "illegal" category and was thus given some press. I do not recall if it was during his lifetime or posthumously, however. I consider that fair play! If a sexual partner you're involved with is also involved with the Mafia, the relationship is no longer just personal!

At any rate, I won't be demanding Ms. Palin's medical records even though I am very curious about what really happened. I think it is intrusive. I wish that the government had as much respect for me and passed laws punishing those who dared and will dare to wiretap me and other innocent citizens without a warrant.

Deborah
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Fisher, trust me when I tell you I know girls who got pregnant in high school and the parents arranged abortions ASAP. And I am not saying that they liked that option but it did not interfere with their beliefs or values, and it was taken care of quickly.

My point was NOT about it being easy or hard in general based on being pro life or against abortion, NO parent would want this to occur, no matter what their views. My point was if a parent is not pro life it might be easier to say, this is a terrible life altering thing for you to be pregnant, you cannot have this baby even if you would give it up for adoption, therefore the only option is an abortion. A parent who cannot condone that option at all is in a very different spot. Would a mom go to the extent of covering it up and pretending it is her baby? Cannot say. A public figure might be willing to attempt it, the stakes could be high enough, but so many people would have to keep a secret that it would not likely stay covered up for long.
 
Bristol''s holding the baby in some of those photos??
Well, there you have it! She obviously IS the mother!


lol.

This story is making me laugh. They are trying sooooo hard to make this relevant. Not to mention going under the assumption that every pregnancy is the same (lack of weight gain, long pregnancy, etc.).
 
I dunno, to me if you look at the two pictures, she looks almost the same in late 07 as she does 3 or 4 months later......and in the last pic, if she really was prego, don''t ya think they may have hidden her a little better for a family photo, if they were really going to pass the baby off as a sibling?
 
Date: 8/31/2008 9:19:34 PM
Author: FrekeChild
Huh...Link

Someone is making the claim that Palin's 16 year old daughter had the Down Syndrome baby, and Palin *faked* her 'pregnancy'.

They give a lot of pictorial evidence.

Wow...
Trash talking blogs are not ethical journalism. You might as well be quoting the National Enquirer. Well, maybe since they broke the John Edwards story, that's not a good example. Okay, The Star or In Touch or The Daily Mail, etc.

I worked with someone, she herself was a tiny woman, who didn't look pregnant until about a month before giving birth to a perfectly healthy baby of normal size. In fact she was 5-6 months pregnant when she married; I went to the wedding; she wore a normal size gown with a basque waist that she had ordered in February for her June wedding. No one knew she was pregnant if they hadn't already been told.

And then there is Nicole Kidman, who only looked pregnant at 8 months. She was so small, with no visible bump, that there was speculation she was faking a pregnancy. Hopefully, we know that isn't true. Don't we?
 

As I have stated that I don’t like Sarah Palin. I think all this rummaging for mud on her is horrible.

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1) If it is her daughters and not hers so what!! At least he was not aborted to keep the family name pristine.





2) At 16 most girls still have a certain amount of fat on them (and people wonder why anorexia & bulimia are on the rise just ridicule poor girls more stupid press). Nice to sully the mom’s reputation why don’t we make the young girl feel bad about her self image.

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3) This is 2008 not 1912 when out of wed lock teens where disowned by there family and kicked out. Why would Sarah Palin go to so much effort to hide something that is sadly more of a common incidence?





4)She just looks stupid by not going to the local hospital if she was in labor, hey maybe she wanted to have him close to where her family could see the birth.





I wish news sources would just post about the bad gov skills and not bring in family stuff that has no barring on the race. Let’s not sully her family and just talk about her government abilities.





*Any one pissed-off with this sorry but its the truth. I am now going to take my cold medicine and go back to bed.
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Date: 8/31/2008 10:47:45 PM
Author: stone_seeker
I had hoped to stay out of this political thread because no one can really convince anyone of anything. Just like a religious thread saying what god is better. But since others have made comments I just wanted to add that anyone voting for Obama because they bought into the argument that McCain has voted alongside Bush 90% of the time, or is a third term bush presidency need to really do some homework before voting on Nov. 4 because you are falling for some serious propaganda by the dems. Its natural for them to point at an unliked president and claim someone from that same party will be the same because they are saying what they need to to win.

For the record, Hillary and Joe Biden have both ''alongside'' Bush more than 70% of the time. Barack''s time in congress has been spent running for President otherwise his % would be up there a well. If the opposing party didnt vote for what the administration wanted, nothing would happen so compromises are made in all bills that get based and Obama is counting those as voting with Bush. Its all BS and it scares me how many people buy into that argument and are basing their votes on it, including those on this thread.

For the record, I''m an independent and the only person who has shown any independence in this election is John McCain. Sarah Palin is also a breath of fresh air but the fact that she has gotten more done for Americans than Barack Obama is enough for me that she is a qualified #2.
That pretty much sums up my whole way of thinking. ''Voting records'' don''t tell the tale of what a candidate can/will/should/might accomplish in the hot seat. It only records ''compromise'' for the sake of either expediency or being choosy in one''s battles. It''s not an indicator of character in a candidate.
 
Date: 9/1/2008 2:39:15 AM
Author: FrekeChild
Mmmm....

Preggers Palin

But I have to say that everything surrounding it is still weird. And it''s pretty easy to create a baby bump under clothes. I think they should just make her med records from the baby''s birth public and be done with it. There is no reason to have any question about it really.
Now you''re being ridiculous. It really is none of your business what her medical records state.
 
Date: 9/1/2008 2:39:15 AM
Author: FrekeChild
Mmmm....

Preggers Palin

But I have to say that everything surrounding it is still weird. And it''s pretty easy to create a baby bump under clothes. I think they should just make her med records from the baby''s birth public and be done with it. There is no reason to have any question about it really.
Well, she might be able to ''fake'' the baby bump, but you can''t fake weight gain in the face. She is obviously pregnant here. Unless of course, she furthered the ''cover-up'' by having the photo doctored to show her looking pregnant. . . .
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The picture of Bristol in the blue sweater was actually taken in 2006 , not 2007...her stomach is the same in 2006 as it was in 2007 (where she''s in the dress). Just what a 16-year-old needs, people scrutinizing her stomach. Lord knows that if she were trying to HIDE a pregancy she wouldn''t be putting on a tight blue sweater.

I understand why people are questioning Bristol''s extensive absense at school due to mono and I also understand people''s concern about Sarah Palin flying on a commercial jet when she was 7/8 months pregnant. Still, the fact that anybody is pointing to these pictures to try to prove that the baby is Bristol''s is ridiculous--the pictoral evidence is non-existent.

My first thought when I read about all of this is that the dems must be feeling a bit threatened. I wish they hadn''t dragged Bristol into it, though.

Oh...I just looked up the news to see if there were any updates and Bristol actually IS 5 months pregnant right now.
 
So, how does everyone feel about the news about her daughter being pregnant? I am interested to here what PSers have to say.

ETA: I should probably provide my views..personally..I feel like I really shouldn't be one to judge; however, it does reflect a huge problem in America today. These situations are always tough. I am just kind of surprised..okay very surprised..that McCain still chose her knowing she had a pregnant daughter which would cause at least a litttttle bit of scandal whether it should or it shouldn't. Will this help with the conservative base? Maybe..maybe not.
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Date: 9/1/2008 12:56:16 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
So, how does everyone feel about the news about her daughter being pregnant? I am interested to here what PSers have to say.
I think it humanizes her image and is something many Americans can relate to. I don't think her daughter's love life should be at the forefront of any articles written about her because it doesn't really add to or take away from Palin's qualifications. I've never seen so much attention paid to an unelected candidate's children. It's quite sad and I agree that it shows that the Dems are nervous. I would rather Palin and McCain be the targets, as they are the actual candidates, and even then more so McCain. All of this focus on Palin may backfire, however, as less criticism is being aimed at McCain lately.

ETA: I don't think it will hurt her conservative supporters, as many of them have probably been in this situation due to their views on birth control and abortion. I did think that her covering-up a pregnancy for her daughter would qualify as a scandal, but her 17 year old daughter's pregnancy alone would not IMHO. It's quite prevalent in today's society so it's hardly shocking.
 
1-i agree that Ms Palin senior should NOT reveal her medical records.
2- re Ms Palin junior being pregnant: its theri business.
3-however, if Ms Palin junior was pregnant earlier and mom took the babay as her own, then that is a pity that the daughter wasn''t allowed to acknowledge her own child as stated in one of the articles.
4-there are many instances of mom''s taking on daughter''s child as their own.....this is not unusual.
5-many young girls that got pregnant earlier do so again at a young age.
6-mccain was not above making comments re chelsea so i don''t expect anyone to be kind to this girl.
7-its a pity politics are the way they are.
8-we the public however do need to know if Ms Palin senior lied given her other problem as regards being investigated for trying to have her ex-brother-in-law fired [using her elected position to further her agenda].



movie zombie
 
Date: 9/1/2008 1:00:25 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
Date: 9/1/2008 12:56:16 PM

Author: SarahLovesJS

So, how does everyone feel about the news about her daughter being pregnant? I am interested to here what PSers have to say.

I think it humanizes her image and is something many Americans can relate to. I don''t think her daughter''s love life should be at the forefront of any articles written about her because it doesn''t really add to or take away from Palin''s qualifications. I''ve never seen so much attention paid to an unelected candidate''s children. It''s quite sad and I agree that it shows that the Dems are nervous. I would rather Palin and McCain be the targets, as they are the actual candidates, and even then more so McCain. All of this focus on Palin may backfire, however, as less criticism is being aimed at McCain lately.


ETA: I don''t think it will hurt her conservative supporters, as many of them have probably been in this situation due to their views on birth control and abortion. I did think that her covering-up a pregnancy for her daughter would qualify as a scandal, but her 17 year old daughter''s pregnancy alone would not IMHO. It''s quite prevalent in today''s society so it''s hardly shocking.

Very well said.
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My heart goes out to this girl. Had her mom not been chosen, this would not make national news, local for sure, but now she is further forced into the spotlight. I followed the earlier llink, and some of the things said, specicfically in the comments section, just astonished me.
 
My personal feeling is that it is not an ideal situation for any parent to be in, let alone the next potential VP of America.
I think that this news is going to stir up controversy on both sides---left and right, and we are going to be hearing a lot of the "if Palin can''t govern her own household, how can we expect her to govern the country" argument. People are going to assume a lot of things...like Palin never talked to her kids about sex, or that she does not play an active role in her children''s upbringing.

To be honest, the first thing I thought of was Jamie Lynn, and how she and her mother were the butt of jokes for a long time after announcing her pregnancy. A lot of people thought it was very irresponsible of her to get pregnant and have the child, apparently forgetting that the right to choose goes both ways. I think that teenage pregnancies happen everyday, to people that come from good and bad homes--but I think we can all agree that we need to see less of it. I know that Palin is pro-life but I''m not sure if she is anti-birth control. People may use her daughter as an example as to why birth control should be used. People may also use her story as a pro-life "success" story.
 
I think it''s a sad situation. This poor girl is likely feeling serious pressure to marry the father due to her family''s conservative values and her mother''s position, which is a shame, in my opinion. Why a hasty marriage is the "right decision" in these situations doesn''t exactly compute.
 
Date: 9/1/2008 1:23:39 PM
Author: EBree
I think it''s a sad situation. This poor girl is likely feeling serious pressure to marry the father due to her family''s conservative values and her mother''s position, which is a shame, in my opinion. Why a hasty marriage is the ''right decision'' in these situations doesn''t exactly compute.

Maybe and maybe not. Maybe she wants to marry the father.
 
Date: 9/1/2008 1:07:25 PM
Author: movie zombie
1-i agree that Ms Palin senior should NOT reveal her medical records.
2- re Ms Palin junior being pregnant: its theri business.
3-however, if Ms Palin junior was pregnant earlier and mom took the babay as her own, then that is a pity that the daughter wasn't allowed to acknowledge her own child as stated in one of the articles.
4-there are many instances of mom's taking on daughter's child as their own.....this is not unusual.
5-many young girls that got pregnant earlier do so again at a young age.

6-mccain was not above making comments re chelsea so i don't expect anyone to be kind to this girl.
7-its a pity politics are the way they are.
8-we the public however do need to know if Ms Palin senior lied given her other problem as regards being investigated for trying to have her ex-brother-in-law fired [using her elected position to further her agenda].



movie zombie
I am unfamiliar with McCain's comments (maybe you could fill me in). I don't doubt that it may have well happened, but I don't like the attitude of "an eye for an eye" in reference to candidate's children. They did not choose to be placed in the spotlight and I think they should ALL be left alone.

Many young mothers may get pregnant again soon after, but I would venture to assume that cover-ups do not occur for the first pregnancy in the majority of those cases. I just find it VERY unlikely that that is the case here.

I am also unfamiliar with the "unusual"ness of cover-ups by mothers for their young daughters's pregnancies. Could you direct me to the sources for this statement? I've never personally known anyone who has been a part of this type of cover-up, not that I would *know* for sure anyway if it did happen...which is why I'm curious as to the statistics of this if you have them.
 
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