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We are initiating a public press campaign against Fed Ex Ground in an effort to enlighten the public regarding a policy of Fed Ex Ground that we feel is intentional Consumer Fraud and Insurance Fraud. Our experience in this matter concerns a package that we shipped via Fed Ex Ground on January 05, 2005 with a declared insured value of $50,000.00 the contents of which being electronic equipment that was subsequently crushed by Fed Ex during their handling of the package.

We filed a claim with Fed Ex Ground (claim #045807254586891) for the declared value of $50,000.00 with the understanding that the equipment may be repairable and thus the total damage may or may not meet the declared value of the package. Fed Ex promptly denied payment of the claim based upon the review of a "neutral third party inspection company" selected solely at their discretion. Fed Ex provided us with a written copy of the report stating the reasons for the recommendation to deny the claim as being (1) there was no way to verify that the equipment was not damaged prior to shipment (2) that we did not use a brand new box to ship the package and (3) that we used bubble wrap instead of styrofoam to protect the contents. The "report" contained no contact information for the inspection company and our request to be provided with that information was denied.

Our written request for Fed Ex to leave the claim open pending investigation and review by another agency was denied in writing... Subsequent telephone calls to the claim representative for Fed Ex Ground were not returned... We contacted David Westrick, the contact for Fed Ex Ground as declared on their web site at (412) 859-5435 "regarding concern for a package that we had shipped Fed Ex Ground" and promptly received a return phone call from his assistant who managed to get us in direct contact with the Larraine Crute (412) 262-6738 who is the Administrator for Fed Ex Ground Claims. Here is where things get interesting and this is what we want people to "realize"... Larraine Crute told us that we did not purchase insurance because Fed Ex does not sell insurance. Apparently when we responded to the question posed by the Fed Ex Agent at the Fed Ex counter "would you like to insure this package" and declared the value of the contents as being $50,000.00 we did not purchase insurance... Nevermind the fact that we paid an additional $200.00 dollars to ship the package becuase we declared the value as being $50,000.00 "we did not purchase insurance"... No, instead we merely declared the value of the contents "for consideration by Fed Ex Ground Claims in the event that the contents were lost or damaged during transport."

We filed a claim with the Oregon Dept. of Insurance and a very cooperative agent informed us that they unfortunately do not have jurisdiction over this matter because Fed Ex is not an insurance company... Nevermind the fact that their counter people offer insurance to unsuspecting consumers every day with the apparent knowledge that Fed Ex has no intention of paying the claim, but that the declaration of value is merely an indication of value for Fed Ex claims agents to "consider in the event of loss". Just out of curiosity, can anybody here on PS imagine making this statement to another person while keeping a straight face? According to the Fed Ex Ground freight cost estimator on-line, it would only have cost us $31.05 to ship the package had we not declared a value... According to Fed Ex, if they did decide to acknowledge the claim, their maximum liability as declared in their Tariff would be $25,000.00 which would have cost us $130.65 to ship... But the person at the Fed Ex counter, the authorized Agent of Fed Ex, accepted the package with a declared value of $50,000.00 and accepted payment in the amount of $230.65 based upon the declared value of the contents.

According to the very large sign posted above the Fed Ex counter at our local station, Fed Ex has the right to open a package and inspect the contents at their sole discretion. The authorized agent of Fed Ex who accepted the package did not elect to inspect the contents of our package valued at $50K nor did the station manager on duty at the time. At no time did the authorized Fed Ex Agent notify us that we were not purchasing insurance for the contents, nor did she declare that Fed Ex assumed no liability with regards to the contents of the package although the contents of the package were clearly described on the bill of lading.

Regarding the "used box"... It was in new condition, it had been used to ship once before and was crisp at the time of shipment - if Fed Ex was concerned about the condition of the box, we suppose that their authorized agent should have mentioned that at the time she received the package for transport and accepted our money for the freight and insurance. Apparently Fed Ex has never heard of "recycling" and does not support the global cause of recycling and wants us to destroy our environment by using a new box every time we ship, this should be of great relief to those people who support the burning and destruction of our rain forests. Chalk one up for Fed Ex Corporate.

We have enjoyed an excellent relationship with Fed Ex DVX which is the security division of Fed Ex designated for use by the diamond industry and to be honest, they are a bit stunned by how Fed Ex Ground is handling our claim... Oh yea, the first claims agent that we experienced kept repeating "you insured this package for an awful lot of money..." in an accusatory tone... Apparently she was unaware that we ship high value packages every day and have a zero loss rating with Fed Ex DVX. Anybody here on PS who has tried to open one of our packages can attest to the fact that we know how to pack securely, however we have little control over the Fed Ex staff who apparently dropped this box off of a shipping truck or platform.

We don''t expect anybody here on PS to be able to do anything about this situation, we merely want people to be aware of the fact that Fed Ex apparently does not sell insurance... Apparently when a value is declared on the bill of lading and additional money is collected by Fed Ex based upon the value declared on their airbill, you are merely indicating a value for Fed Ex Ground to consider when they evaluate your claim for damage or loss. No goverment agency appears to have jurisdiction over Fed Ex claims, not our Oregon State Dept. of Insurance, not the Federal Dept. of Insurance, not the Federal Trade Commission, not the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, nobody. Needless to say, we have filed a claim with our business insurance company who provides third party coverage for our shipping activities, they will fight Fed Ex on our behalf. But who would fight for you if you experienced this type of loss at the hands of a trusted shipping company like Fed Ex or UPS? That''s right folks, the format of their tariff''s are written quite similar, so we''re assuming that they operate in a similar fashion. Be sure that your homeowner''s insurance provides covererage for your valuable items before you ship them and in our opinion, you should save the additional money you would be charged for declaring a value since you''re apparently not buying insurance anyway - just consideration in the event of loss. It seems unfair for Fed Ex to allow trusting consumers to self insure their valuables while being transported in their care, if they have no intention of paying a valid claim in the event that they damage a package during transit.
 
that sux
 
I actually mistrust all forms of shipping and insurance for shipped items, whether it be USPS, FedEx, UPS etc...I find that most shipping carriers are very careless with your package regardless, and as you noted here, will not back you up if something goes wrong even if you pay the additional for shipping.

I have never had to file a claim for a loss for a package or anything else...but those who have, have you had good experiences? When I shipped my ring over to WF last time for the stone switch, I used UPS Next Day who does apparently insure jewelry pieces, just not set stones. The gal at the UPS office said she had to see my package, opened it, looked at the ring, repackaged it and shipped it. I paid $75.00 for next day insured service, it would have been $35 without the insurance. Not too much to pay for perhaps false peace of mind, when I asked if they ever had losses for insured packages, she told me that they do not have many losses for items of that high of a value. But who really knows? She did take extra care with my package and put it aside on a desk rather than throwing it into the box with the other priority packages.

It's scary--you trust the shipping companies with your valuables and they throw them around and then refuse to pay even when you held up your end of the bargain by paying additional for shipping. Ridiculous!
 
Dear Robin and Todd,
I agree with strmrdr. It really sucks concerning what had happened to you with your transaction with FedEx. I thank you for explaining your story so that we, as consumers, know what FedEx Ground Shipping really means when they ask a customer if he/she wants to insure the package. I really don''t know what to say. I''ve had to deal with difficult people before, and keeping one''s composure and professionalism is really admirable when you just want to wring somebody''s neck. I say that you are doing the right thing for informing us, and I hope that FedEx really sticks by what the FedEx customer service representative had assured you when you had shipped your package. It makes sense to do the right thing, but not everybody is inclined to do so. I would say if they didn''t remedy the solution by either replacing "said item" or giving you the $50,000 replacement value then I, as a consumer, would be less inclined to send my packages with them as well, especially packages that do need to be insured the correct way. I hope you find the resolution you are seeking. Please keep us posted.
Sincerely,
Jaded Gem
 
I have had unpleasant experiances with fed ex as well. I paid for overnight shipping. The cost was 100.00 from Alabama to Los Angeles. The item came 3 days late. Too late for christmas. I called them and they refused to pay me the difference in shipping costs. A 4 day charge is 50 bucks. I never asked for the full amount which I was entitled to, only the difference. They refused siting a slight rain fall as the cause and not their fault. They suck.
 
What a mess! Can''t say it surprises me though. You''re really are at their mercy.
 
Man, I''m so sorry to hear that!!

I just thought I would add a bit of my experience, being that while I went to school for my B.A. I worked as an assistant manager at Mailboxes Etc. / The UPS Store.

One of the first things we were trained was that you didn''t ask the customer whether they wanted "insurance" or to "insure" the package. Rather, we would ask: "Is the package valued over $100? If so, you have $100 worth of coverage free of charge, then you can purchase additional coverage...." Insurance conotes that you are guaranteed to get your money back when something unfortunate happens to a package. But coming from a person who also had the privilege of handling all our store''s insurance claims with UPS and our secondary insurance company, as long as your package was properly packaged to the UPS/FedEx standards, you would get back the value that you could prove the item was worth.

Now, we were a franchise whose corporate office was owned by UPS, but we still had the option to insure our packages through UPS directly or a secondary insurance company. We quickly learned that UPS itself would almost always deny a claim on the first round (unless of course it had mysteriously disappeared in their custody). From there it would take weeks if not months to finally get someone to authorize the claim. So we soon went to a secondary insurance company that was much better with actually paying claims. The first $100 worth of coverage was through UPS, and every additional increment went through the secondary insurance company. While we still had problems with the secondary insurance company, they weren''t nearly as bad as UPS. But we would still have to deal with UPS for the first $100 (and the other company would not pay until UPS had approved the claim regardless of anything!). For instance, one package had a comforter set inside, wrapped in the original plastic bag that you buy them in. It was put into a brand new double walled box and shipped UPS Ground. Well, needless to say, somehow the box got ripped (it looked like it got jammed on a conveyor belt), which also ripped the comforter inside. UPS denied the claim because we failed to put packing material inside the box! Why would you put peanuts or styrofoam for a comforter? LOL, well finally they approved the claim, but it definitely was not worth my time...

Being a franchise, if one of our employees "screwed up" such as accepting a box that was not properly packed or failing to put the asked for coverage on the package or incorrectly advising the customer (i.e. as to max coverage amount, what items can/cannot be covered, etc) we in the end were forced to take responsibility. So I would hope that FedEx would take responsibility for this mistake on their part.

As for your particular situation, I would first look at the fine print on your airbill or computer printed receipt. That should definitely cover "insurance." Also, I would ask FedEx to get you their brochure on proper packing standards. We used to ship FedEx Ground, FedEx (Air service), and all UPS services; and for all those services, we accepted "used" boxes as long as they were still structurally sound. And from my experience, by the time the box gets damaged, it''s way too late for FedEx/UPS to claim that they knew your box was used instead of new. Depending on their handling, some boxes look HORRIBLE after just one trip.

Well hopefully your insurance company can handle this if FedEx refuses to pay the claim.

Oh, and I assume you have the contents of the package in your possession? If so, hire your own expert and get their opinion in writing.

As to the fact that they can''t prove the item wasn''t broken before shipment, well that it their responsibility when accepting the item to ask to inspect the item itself. For instance, when we would ship laptops, we required the customer to show us that they powered up, etc. And we would make a note in the "description of goods" that said "no visible external damage, laptop powered up, etc..."

And finally, as to styrofoam vs. bubble wrap....well, that is just plain cr*p. Both are approved packing materials for UPS and FedEx. The only common problem we often had with customers is that an item was packed in a box that was not rated for that particular weight. That is an excuse to deny a claim that is often used by UPS and FedEx.

Oh well, I''ll stop rambling now! Good luck with everything!
 
One word: Lawyer


This is what they are for. FedEx is a big enough company, and shipping problems are a common enough problem, that there must be someone somewhere that knows the legal situation backwards and forwards, and will be able to see that your rights are best protected. It's a better alternative than hoping the shipper sees it your way.

If the law is on your side, then the possibility of a settlement may ayt least salvage something froim this situation.
 
That''s terrible I am so sorry. Thanks for letting us know your story.
 
R/T......I used to work for a freight company, and I can tell you that they work much like insurance companies do. It's fairly common to deny ALL claims on first filing and wait to see if people press it. They figure that 75% or more of folks will just accept the declination, and they'll squabble with the 25% who don't go away with the first denial.

EDITED TO ADD: Not surprised to see the Mailbox/UPS person corroborate this.

You mentioned that the package was crushed by them. I'm assuming that means the box you packed it in was crushed as well? If so, the person who signed for the package must have (or should have) signed for the shipment with exception. That is to say, "1 box, crushed and damaged" written right on the delivery slip. If this was done, and you have the original bill of lading where FedEx signed for receipt from you without noting exceptions, then you should have no problem.

If FedEx left the delivery without getting a signature from anyone, then again they are liable. They didn't sign for it with damage when you tendered it to them, and they didn't obtain a clean signature on delivery.

Regarding the "you didn't use a brand new box".....their point is that the box wasn't new, so they aren't clear that any abrasions, etc. to the box may have pre-existed. However, they accepted the shipment from you despite the box being non-new, and they didn't note any damage at the time they accepted it from you, so it's hard for them to get off the hook on this one.

Here are a few things that may help you from their website:

https://www.fedex.com/us/services/termsandconditions/ground/claims.html - In cases where the shipper declares or agrees in writing that the property being shipped is released to a value exceeding $100.00 per package or article not enclosed in a package, an additional charge* for each $100.00 or fraction thereof of valuation in excess of the $100.00 valuation will be assessed to which the base rate applies, up to a maximum declared value of $25,000.00 per package.


Date: 4/6/2005 2
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Here is where things get interesting and this is what we want people to 'realize'... Larraine Crute told us that we did not purchase insurance because Fed Ex does not sell insurance. Apparently when we responded to the question posed by the Fed Ex Agent at the Fed Ex counter 'would you like to insure this package' and declared the value of the contents as being $50,000.00 we did not purchase insurance... Nevermind the fact that we paid an additional $200.00 dollars to ship the package becuase we declared the value as being $50,000.00 'we did not purchase insurance'... No, instead we merely declared the value of the contents 'for consideration by Fed Ex Ground Claims in the event that the contents were lost or damaged during transport.'

Well, Larraine is right (per the text in green below), but her point is irrelevant (per the text in red below).

https://www.fedex.com/us/services/termsandconditions/ground/liabilitylimits.html
The declared value of any shipment represents our maximum liability in connection with a shipment, including, but not limited to, any loss, damage, delay, misdelivery, nondelivery, misinformation, any failure to provide information, or misdelivery of information.
Exposure to and risk of any loss in excess of the declared value is either assumed by the shipper or transferred by the shipper to an insurance carrier through the purchase of an insurance policy. You should contact an insurance agent or broker if you desire insurance coverage. WE DO NOT PROVIDE INSURANCE COVERAGE OF ANY KIND.

R/T, this is key - Larraine from FedEx is saying, "you paid extra to declare the value, but that you are not purchasing insurance." She's right....their terms specify that. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean they aren't liable for the full declared amount in the event of loss or damage. So, no you didn't purchase "insurance", but that has nothing to do with the fact that they are liable for the entire amount of value declared if they lose/damage the package.







 
Date: 4/6/2005 3:21:18 PM
Author: Mara
I actually mistrust all forms of shipping and insurance for shipped items, whether it be USPS, FedEx, UPS etc...I find that most shipping carriers are very careless with your package regardless, and as you noted here, will not back you up if something goes wrong even if you pay the additional for shipping.
Same here. The only issue I think I have ever had was a work related shipping problem where somehow our package which was picked up by the dude in our office never actually went anywhere beyond wherever he last set it. Pissed a client off real good too. We kept trying to track it and it never really had much to show beyond scanning. That really irked us.

I do happen to know someone who is management for FedEx but he''s really only local and the stories he can tell me about drivers and how they handle packages make me sick. He is testifying in a case now of a guy who worked for him that stole over 750K in merchandise over the 3 years he worked there. I cannot believe that some folks are just that stupid and ignorant.
 

That's awful! You paid money in exchange for something - that’s a contract.


Letter to BBB?

Letter to mayor's office?

Letter to your State Attorney General?


Letter to local news papers or TV?




 
Date: 4/6/2005 3:21:18 PM
Author: Mara
I have never had to file a claim for a loss for a package or anything else...but those who have, have you had good experiences?
I''ve never filed a claim, but just a few weeks back, UPS delivered a package of mine to the wrong address. I called them and so did the company I ordered from and UPS refused to help or retrieve the package. In the end, a new order was sent to me (via another delivery method) and all is good, except I''m left wondering which of of my neighbors is dishonest. . .
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My first post!

I have one piece of advice for you. Keep fighting, and eventually you will win. I went through a similar situation with Delta Air Lines concerning $3500 in lost luggage/clothes/items. The loss was only through GROSS (not minor) incompetance on the part of the airline. They had numerous chances to correct their mistakes, but only made the situation worse. When the bags were finally lost/stolen (for the third time) and never turned up, I filed a claim. Because of paperwork errors on their side, by the time they acknowledged receipt of the claim, it was outside their window for responsibility.

Fortunately, I had kept excellent records, including all the applicable documents. I fought for literally 2 years until I finally won. In retrospect, I should have contacted a lawyer long before.

I suggest complaints to the BBB, and any federal organizations you can find. Then keep writing letters, emails, and faxes. Make this as big a deal as possible. Start a petition online, I''ll sign.

You are the little people, and the big corporation just screwed you. That''s a sensitive subject to many of us, and your best weapon is through raising awareness.
 
Date: 4/6/2005 4:21:24 PM
Author: aljdewey

https://www.fedex.com/us/services/termsandconditions/ground/liabilitylimits.html
The declared value of any shipment represents our maximum liability in connection with a shipment, including, but not limited to, any loss, damage, delay, misdelivery, nondelivery, misinformation, any failure to provide information, or misdelivery of information.
Exposure to and risk of any loss in excess of the declared value is either assumed by the shipper or transferred by the shipper to an insurance carrier through the purchase of an insurance policy. You should contact an insurance agent or broker if you desire insurance coverage. WE DO NOT PROVIDE INSURANCE COVERAGE OF ANY KIND.
The thing that we find interesting about this statement is that it acknowledges liability up to the declared value, but declares that it is not insurance at the same time. It''s brilliant actually, maybe the CEO of Fed Ex should run for political office. We''re familiar with the Tariff restrictions placed upon items by Fed Ex, but we thought that the specific instance might be of interest to people here on PS considering that many of you might be shipping valuable items via this service. We are dual insured for diamonds and jewelry while in transit, both by Fed Ex DVX (which actually is an insurance program) and by our Jewelers Block Policy - which usually does not provide what we would consider to be adequate coverage for merchandise in transit, but which we upgraded to fulfill our daily shipping requirements. Long story short, we''re covered on this by our Jewelers Block Policy - they have already told us that they will cover the loss and fight Fed Ex on the loss, but most people do not have this type of coverage and would be left out hanging to dry.

Fed Ex inspected the package again today and the inspector admitted that the damage was caused by their neglect, but only after it was specifically pointed out to him that the impression on the box matched the impression on the machine. The inspector however left the recipient (OGI Tech) with the impression that it wouldn''t matter, they were likely going to fall back on the fact that we didn''t pack the machine in three inches of padded steel crating or something like that... This machine by the way is our laser inscription machine for putting identification numbers on the girdle edge of diamonds, the case which is the primary point of damage is about 1/8" thick and made of heavy aluminum or steel... The guts got knocked around a bit, but the bubble wrap helped to minimize that... But you know, when you drop a box off of the back of a truck or a loading dock as apparently happened in this instance, no amount of reasonable precaution is going to prevent damage. The damaged machine and all packing material is currently in the possession of OGI Tech NYC who we sent the machine to for calibration. The machine will have to be sent to Israel for in-depth evaluation of the damage and that is going to cost $1,200.00 each direction - our insurance company does not want the machine moved or the packing material discarded until they have completed their evaluation (obviously). OGI is sending us another machine for our use in the mean time.
 
We have followed your saga of the Ogi Laser machine with great sympathy as your path and ours has been very similar. I hope you will soon have an operable device in your place. We expect our newest Ogi Laser machine to be operational this Friday, but the endless delays and promises have not gone unnoticed. The machine is in our office and ready for the installation and thankfully it appears to be undamaged. We'll soon see of all the patience and waiting was worthwhile.

Like you, I am at my wit's end with the entire affair. Your story of the shipping nightmare just adds more punishment to what was already a poor situation. Best of luck with the new machine. Hope it arrives in good shape and actually engraves.
 
Date: 4/6/2005 5
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Author: niceice

Date: 4/6/2005 4:21:24 PM
Author: aljdewey


https://www.fedex.com/us/services/termsandconditions/ground/liabilitylimits.html
The declared value of any shipment represents our maximum liability in connection with a shipment, including, but not limited to, any loss, damage, delay, misdelivery, nondelivery, misinformation, any failure to provide information, or misdelivery of information.
Exposure to and risk of any loss in excess of the declared value is either assumed by the shipper or transferred by the shipper to an insurance carrier through the purchase of an insurance policy. You should contact an insurance agent or broker if you desire insurance coverage. WE DO NOT PROVIDE INSURANCE COVERAGE OF ANY KIND.
The thing that we find interesting about this statement is that it acknowledges liability up to the declared value, but declares that it is not insurance at the same time. It''s brilliant actually, maybe the CEO of Fed Ex should run for political office.

There *is* a distinction between the two. If it were "insurance", it would apply REGARDLESS of whose fault the damage is.....yours or theirs.

Clarifying that it is *not* insurance means they are only liable if *they* are found to be at fault.
 
I really have no trust in shipping companies- every claim I have ever had to file on behalf of the company I work for has resulted in being refused the first & second time. Airborne, before DHL, contacted me to explain that they had ruined a package in delivery- it was actually run over outside of their depot according to the first report I received and then refused to pay a claim when I supplied wholesale cost invoices (just being honest, we''re a wholesale manufacturer, didn''t expect them to pay retail) that ran under $100.00. They crushed the package with a truck and did not feel the need to pay for it!!!!!
After I threatened to pull over $500,000 worth of business, they reconsidered their "policy" on only paying out 50% claims on "medical devices" (eyeglass lenses and frames.) No where in any contract was the whole "medical devices" copout mentioned. Why would I ship with them if all I handle are "medical devices"? Things have gotten much better but claims are never easy with any large shipper......

So NiceIce- the stuff we''d normally send Fed-ex will go with DHL and when the Salesperson comes in crying I''ll tell him why...

Also- I often find that using large freight carriers will often offer the best care for shipping machinery, even if its not physically large. We have pieces of machinery no larger than a microwave that cost over $250,000 and freight carriers like Yellow Freight or G.O.D. will pick them up when they have truck in the area and offer very good service & rates. They just like to fill up those trucks for economy reasons.
 
Nothing to add except my sympathy and outrage. Gosh I''ve heard so many awful stories about insurance claims!
 

That is terrible. I have had my rounds with Fedex over packages more than I can count on one hand. I actually had an employee "demoted"..... It is a shame that they continue to do business that way.

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Man, that really reeks! Good luck and keep us posted, I spend a fraction of what you do with those "fine folks" probably close to 2k per month, glad I have outside insurance, looks like you do too, but still, they took the money, they should pay the bill!

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Hi Todd

In the fact that they accepted a payment (consideration) they fundementally sold you some level of coverage.

The agent at the Oregon Insurance Commissioner''s office should have jurisdiction over someone who is selling insurance who isn''t licensed - which in most states is mandatory.

Another way to help accomplish your "goal" is to go to Ripoffreport.com and publish it on their site.....
They also have a "revenge" action you can do as well.


Another is to send a press release to the Wall Street Journal since they are a publically traded company....

I know a rather high up person in Fedex, but is not with the ground division... I can call him and refer him to you if you want.

Also wouldn''t hurt to do a case inventory to which other people are going through the same thing. and possibly join together legally against them.

My feelings go out to you of course.... I''ve been screwed by both UPS and USPS shipping equipment.

Additonally, OGI has a responsibility to support their products. Instead of shipping equipment worth 50K and taking a risk they should have sent someone to you with the new machine, install it and then take the old one back.

I had a problem with the first B Scope.... they had their rep come to my place to install the new one and shipped the old one back at their expense. Gemex is superlative in their supporting their customers.

Call me if you need me to help with this.

Rockdoc
 
I hope you can fix your equiptment because I don''t think FedEx will give you money any time soon. A few years ago I sent my sister a computer, and when I got it to UPS (not FedEx I know) the lady told me that unless I packed it "their" way they wouldn''t pay if it got dammaged in transit.

So I packed it their way, cost me an extra 100 bucks and I insured it.

But it is a lot of money so I''d hire a lawyer and see where that gets you.
 
Date: 4/6/2005 5:22:43 PM
Author: aljdewey


There *is* a distinction between the two. If it were ''insurance'', it would apply REGARDLESS of whose fault the damage is.....yours or theirs.

Clarifying that it is *not* insurance means they are only liable if *they* are found to be at fault.
Interesting stuff. So... what does the FedEx fee for non-insurance pays for then ?
 
Hi Folks,

I was wondering about another impact of this situation regarding the return policies of respective Pricescope venders. What happens if a customer decides to return a diamond and it is lost by the carrier? Since there isn''t any insurance provided by the carrier (or at least Fed Ex), is the customer left to fight with Fed Ex to recover the cost of the stone? Does the vender refund the customer and fight with Fex Ex? Or does the vender refund the money and its insurance picks up the lost?

Just wondering...
Eric
 
Date: 4/7/2005 8:41:54 AM
Author: valeria101

Date: 4/6/2005 5:22:43 PM
Author: aljdewey


There *is* a distinction between the two. If it were ''insurance'', it would apply REGARDLESS of whose fault the damage is.....yours or theirs.

Clarifying that it is *not* insurance means they are only liable if *they* are found to be at fault.
Interesting stuff. So... what does the FedEx fee for non-insurance pays for then ?
I don''t work for FedEx, so I cannot say for sure.

However, my speculative guess would be: it defrays the costs of those instances where they are found at fault for the damage and have to pay out for the damage.

As most carriers do, they have likely calculated what they feel their risk is for damage on handling high-value items. If they are collected a declared value fee for every high value shipment, and only a handful of them are damaged at FedEx''s fault, the fees offset the instances where they have to pay when they are determined to be at fault.
 
Date: 4/7/2005 9:43:58 AM
Author: esqknight
Hi Folks,

What happens if a customer decides to return a diamond and it is lost by the carrier
This is why most vendor insist on having returns done via USPS. Unlike FedEx and some others, the USPS *DOES* insure against loss or damage....per their website:

"Items you send with Registered Mail are placed under tight security from the point of mailing to the point of delivery, and insured up to $25,000 against loss or damage."

Honestly, with other carriers, it''s easier to prevail on a loss claim than on a damage claim. Loss is more cut and dried.....if you have a waybill signed by the carrier showing they took possession of your item, and they cannot provide a SIGNED delivery receipt showing delivery.....then they lost it.

The problem with damage is more oblique......it requires proving how/when the damage happened, and who is at fault for the damage.

One of the biggest mistakes I see (or did when I was in the business) was people who would sign for freight without being "qualified". Sounds silly, I know, but the delivery receipt is more than a receipt. It bears record in showing what condition the package was in when it arrived.

This is why it''s so important -- especially on high value items -- to *specify* who must sign for the package, and to instruct the person you are designating to closely inspect what he receives. Most carriers won''t allow the receiver to open the box unless there is clear indication of damage on the packing materials....because again, if the packing contents don''t show signs of distress, then it''s unlikely the damage occurred in transit.

However, I''ve seen folks sign for boxes containing sensitive computer equipment that look like ACCORDIONS on one end, and the sign only their name on the delivery receipt and don''t make any exception notations of damage they see.
 
Date: 4/7/2005 4:33:59 AM
Author: RockDoc

In the fact that they accepted a payment (consideration) they fundementally sold you some level of coverage.
Not really. They accepted a payment for assuming the liability risk of handling a shipment of excessive value. That''s not insurance "coverage", and cannot be interpreted as such.
 
Date: 4/7/2005 10:55:14 AM
Author: aljdewey

Date: 4/7/2005 8:41:54 AM
Author: valeria101


Date: 4/6/2005 5:22:43 PM
Author: aljdewey


There *is* a distinction between the two. If it were ''insurance'', it would apply REGARDLESS of whose fault the damage is.....yours or theirs.

Clarifying that it is *not* insurance means they are only liable if *they* are found to be at fault.
Interesting stuff. So... what does the FedEx fee for non-insurance pays for then ?
I don''t work for FedEx, so I cannot say for sure.

However, my speculative guess would be: it defrays the costs of those instances where they are found at fault for the damage and have to pay out for the damage.

As most carriers do, they have likely calculated what they feel their risk is for damage on handling high-value items. If they are collected a declared value fee for every high value shipment, and only a handful of them are damaged at FedEx''s fault, the fees offset the instances where they have to pay when they are determined to be at fault.
That''s the seller''s self-insurance stuff... I was wondering what does the buyer get out of it!

anyway... I am furious on the German post now, not Fed Ex.
 
Date: 4/7/2005 11:19:32 AM
Author: valeria101

Date: 4/7/2005 10:55:14 AM
Author: aljdewey


Date: 4/7/2005 8:41:54 AM
Author: valeria101



Date: 4/6/2005 5:22:43 PM
Author: aljdewey


There *is* a distinction between the two. If it were ''insurance'', it would apply REGARDLESS of whose fault the damage is.....yours or theirs.

Clarifying that it is *not* insurance means they are only liable if *they* are found to be at fault.
Interesting stuff. So... what does the FedEx fee for non-insurance pays for then ?
I don''t work for FedEx, so I cannot say for sure.

However, my speculative guess would be: it defrays the costs of those instances where they are found at fault for the damage and have to pay out for the damage.

As most carriers do, they have likely calculated what they feel their risk is for damage on handling high-value items. If they are collected a declared value fee for every high value shipment, and only a handful of them are damaged at FedEx''s fault, the fees offset the instances where they have to pay when they are determined to be at fault.
That''s the seller''s self-insurance stuff... I was wondering what does the buyer get out of it!
Per their website comment here:

"Our liability with regard to any package is limited to the sum of $100 unless a higher value is declared at time of tender, and a greater charge paid as provided in Vol. 2 of the FedEx Service Guide."

So, what the buyer gets: the right to recover more than $100 if the shipment is lost/damaged and FedEx is found at fault. They get the right to recover the declared value (up to $25k).
 
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